FP green + tial gate questions

[jw]

Regardless of what was said, the times page will be what I am looking at and recommend anyone else buying a turbo. It has been there for years and only recently someone from FP took over the responsibility of updating it because the previous owner moved on to something else. If not because of him, you wont see so many updated times on the site.

There is no bias when it come to times. Can you say you ran 10s without showing a time slip? If anything I want to trust on the internet, it would be the times page rather than people sitting on the keyboard posting it. Yes, their setup/tuning play an important role in getting good times but that is just part of the game. You work hard enough, you deserve your prize.

I would suggest all vendors to encourage their customers to post it in because statistic is good (at least from a customer standpoint).

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by AntGVR4
jdmawd-
You posted a nonsense reply and totally avoided my question.
This just proves how wrong you know you are, otherwise you would have a more intellegent answer to my question.

Ant

UM... you are a vender correct and you're shop sells forced performanc turbos exclusively correct

quote from you're site

We are currently carrying the full Forced Performance product Line. All of these turbos are backed by the best in DSM turbo technology, and are the only ones we use on our cars. These turbos all undergo a R&D process unparalleled in the DSM community, and are the only turbos we would recommend to our customers. Currently the shop cars are running a FP Red and a FP Garrett T3/T4.

PLEASE DONT SPAM OUR BOARD WITH YOU'RE SHOP FAVORITE BS

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by jdmawd
PLEASE DONT SPAM OUR BOARD WITH YOU'RE SHOP FAVORITE BS

Again more foolishness from out friend JDM. I have no idea what your issue is. Where exactly did you see him post shop favorite spam?

Todd Day decided to stop doing the dsmtimes.org page. One of the guys over at FP decided to take care of the responsibilities doing everyone in the DSM community a HUGE favor. Do you seriously think FP lies about the times they put up? Do you think they ignore submissions from people with a car that doesn’t have on of their turbos?

 

[AntGVR4]

No you are WRONG.
No I am NOT a vendor and I have nothing to do with the shop you posted. I do not work for them.

You are still going around in circles not answering my question. I believe the dsmtimes.org page is a valuable resource and so do many other. You however do not only because of who operates it, as if the operator has ANYTHING to do with what is on the list.

Stop trying to point the finger at me, I didn't spam for any shop.
Don't play these vendor games, i'm not.

Ant

 

[sleeper142]

dont mean to intrude guys but this thread has gone waaay off topic... either lets stick to the subject or could a moderator please close down this thread as there is no relevant information to be had here. Please stay on topic and help me out! I dont want to get into a vendor battle, or FP vs mutt turbo battle here. i just want opinions on setups and turbos.
thanks
Albert

 

[AntGVR4]

I think your goal of 400hp to the wheels and 11.99 is attainable with the Green and drag slicks.
As for an external a 40mm would be fine.

you can go to Dre99GSX webpage, he's got some pretty good pics of his O2 housing mounted tial.
www.twingles.com/ideck
click on 99GSX towards the top of the page.



Ant

 

[Turbo]

Y.A.S.F.F.O.S.I.N.E.F.F. !

 

[Faded]

sleeper142 - I have a setup similar to what you posted. I am running the FP Green with Tial 40mm on a VP O2 housing - OH and I have a HRC Eliminator DP. I have no track times yet cause I'm dealing with heat issues and stuff but here are some pics for ya...

Victory Performance O2 with Tial 40mm

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FP Green with VP O2 and Tial 40mm

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I have more pics in my profile if ya wanna see them.

Overall I love the turbo with what little tuning I have done. I am sure as I tune it in more and get some Dyno tuning I will start to make it come alive. The number one issue I have with this setup is heat. The under hood temps is kicking my a$$. I have a Spearco 2-216 core with custom 2.5" pipes that block my whole damn front. I installed a Fluidyne and am still running a bit toasty under the hood, but all in all I don't regret my choice. As some agree, I made my choice based on posted timeslips. Give me a shout if you have any questions.

Happy Turbo hunting!! It's the hardest part

 

[sleeper142]

my hahn eliminator dp has a 3 bolt flange after the 02 housing, thats my only concern, i like all the aftermarket o2 housings but they wont bolt up to my down pipe so i was gonna go off the manifold i think. still thinking of options, maybe rework my o2 housing if i can, im pretty good at welding SS, its just the fixturing thats hard to do

 

[Faded]

OH - my bad. I thought it was the Eliminator JR, I forgot they had 2 different ones. At least mounting off the manifold is easy to find. I had to search for one to mount on the O2 housing. Everyone had off the manifold.

 

[DSMu4ia]

Originally posted by sleeper142
my hahn eliminator dp has a 3 bolt flange after the 02 housing, thats my only concern, i like all the aftermarket o2 housings but they wont bolt up to my down pipe so i was gonna go off the manifold i think. still thinking of options, maybe rework my o2 housing if i can, im pretty good at welding SS, its just the fixturing thats hard to do

Most if not all of the vendors who make a performance 02 housing will customize a little bit for you.

I don't think it would be hard to get Scott @ VP, or Andy at 122 to make it with a 3 bolt. I'm pretty sure if it's a full 3", it has to be a 3-bolt.

 

[NDgsx]

Wait a minute you can weld onto your manifold, yet you can't weld a different flange onto your dp?

 

[jw]

I have seen 3" 2 bolt pattern flange, I am sure it can be done.

 

[jdmawd]

bling bling


3" 2 bolt flange

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[sleeper142]

Originally posted by NDgsx
Wait a minute you can weld onto your manifold, yet you can't weld a different flange onto your dp?

im gonna see what i can do because it really makes more sense to mount it onthe o2 housing, than the manifold, as far as flow. but my o2 housing wg tube is like welded to the exhaust tube, i dont know if youve seen the hahn but its like sorta one tube, so id have to hack it off then patch the exhaust hole, and wld a new one on to the wg hole... itd be a #@%#@%#@%#@%in mess, plus my dp is hpc coated so id have to send it out for coatings again, good thing though is that hpc coatings are way cheap, and they are high quality

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by jdmawd
I would much rather take the advice of a turbo shop to direct me in my selection.

Yeah, that's a good idea because nobody who was trying to sell you something and make money off of you would ever point you in the wrong direction.

"What you need is our most expensive turbo..."

Calling up a shop and asking them what turbo you should buy is so stupid, even for you jdmawd.

The times page fu@king is what it is. You make a goal for your car, you can easily go and see what turbos HAVE BEEN able to meet your goal. What is so goddamn ambiguous about that? It's called emphirical data, people. Without emphirical data, none of us would know that a 16G is not a good turbo if you want to runs 10s. The times page is a huge database of what turbos have been capable of, how can you say it isn't? If you ignore emphirical data you are stupid and doomed. Plain and simple.

Also, any allegations that the times page is influenced by any shop is quite an accusation. jdmawd, you know that's not true, why say it? Just trying to stir the pot of shyt as usual I guess. Ammusing but childish.

 

[jdmawd]

Yeah, that's a good idea because nobody who was trying to sell you something and make money off of you would ever point you in the wrong direction.

Very possibly when dealing with bootleggers, however that has not been my experience. When purchasing my turbo, I got tons of advice from many different arena's. I was not sold the most expensive product. I was sold what would work best with my setup. I take it from you're response that you have been subject to the used car salesmen mentality. for that I am sorry. there are many shops that are ACTAULLY here to help in addition to seel products. look a slowboy, perfect example

Just trying to stir the pot of shyt as usual I guess. Ammusing but childish.

thats exactly what i got from you're above post also

 

[Slowboy]

I normally try to stay out of any type of argument, or start any kind of flame war. But once again, I feel I have to step in.... so here it goes.

Yeah, that's a good idea because nobody who was trying to sell you something and make money off of you would ever point you in the wrong direction.

Calling up a shop and asking them what turbo you should buy is so stupid

BatmanGSX, and they call you a wiseman? Seems like to me, maybe they should take out "wise" and just leave it man. Saying someone should not call a reputable shop and ask about a turbo is just INSANE.... This is the biggest line of crap I have ever seen anywhere!

I get calls everyday, and I run through the same questions. I ask about there current mods first, then ask them where they need to go, and how fast. It is all very basic, and I would not sell anyone a big turbo if what they needed was a 16g.

The times page IS a good way to see what people run on a given turbo, but by no means what you should purchase your turbo from.

So, if I was to go from the times page, and buy a 16g..... I would feel very comfortable knowing my turbo was going to run between a high 14, and a mid 11.... Very comforting.

BatmanGSX, quit saying dumb stuff. Period. It hurts the image of this great site, especially when you are called a wiseman........

Off box.

Mike Huml
aka...slowboy

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by Slowboy
I get calls everyday, and I run through the same questions. I ask about there current mods first, then ask them where they need to go, and how fast. It is all very basic, and I would not sell anyone a big turbo if what they needed was a 16g.

That is cool! I’m glad you care about your customers. A lot of shops don’t bring your same level of care though.

Originally posted by Slowboy
The times page IS a good way to see what people run on a given turbo, but by no means what you should purchase your turbo from.

I disagree. If my goal was to run 10s and I had a stock 14b I could see that no one has come even close so I have unreasonable expectations. By looking at the list you can get a pretty good understanding of what they the fast guys are using and how you can adapt that to your car. If you use the list in conjunction with some research on your own into the supporting mods and overall setups you can get a great understanding of what is required to go fast.

Example: Curt Brown did a mid 11 at 135 on his Green powered fwd 1st gen. If I looked at the list I would see that no one else runs similar times to him so his setup is kind of a freak car. I could then try and see what he has done and try and relate it to my car.

 

[Slowboy]

I disagree. If my goal was to run 10s and I had a stock 14b I could see that no one has come even close so I have unreasonable expectations. By looking at the list you can get a pretty good understanding of what they the fast guys are using and how you can adapt that to your car. If you use the list in conjunction with some research on your own into the supporting mods and overall setups you can get a great understanding of what is required to go fast

Why disagree? I said the times page is a good way to see what was going on, just not what you should base your buying decision on, especially if you are a newbie. Guys like you do not really need all that much advice, you can make a good buying decision based on what you here, and see. 95% of customers need to be talked to however.

Still another reason to call a shop and say, can a 14b run 10's? ... I should not give anyone ideas, now that will be the phone call of the day.

Example: Curt Brown did a mid 11 at 135 on his Green powered fwd 1st gen. If I looked at the list I would see that no one else runs similar times to him so his setup is kind of a freak car. I could then try and see what he has done and try and relate it to my car.

His car does like Norwalk for some reason His FWD runs faster there than anywhere else! BTW, he parted it out and I have a FWD shell here that wants to go fast again......

Regards,

Mike Huml
aka...slowboy

 

[Turbo]

HEY HEY HEY !!!!! Whats all this trash talk about the ALLMIGHTY 14B !!!!
Yeah !! that's right ! My 14B with the 60-1 compressor wheel that I smacked in there & da ported 45 cm2 turbine housing ran tens all day long !!! I even got's me TEN visually impaired witnesses that HEARD me do it ! Dat 14B tis notin ta laf at gee !



Sorry guys, I had to do it !
Wade

 

[Slowboy]

Thanks for making me laugh Wade You get those calls too?

Mike Huml
aka...slowboy

 

[Turbo]

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[jdmawd]

its like in the would of dsm's common sense goes out the window. curt brown, Sean glazer Dave buschur are fast not fast because they use x brand turbo. they are fast because they know how to go fast. its as simple as that. im going to call up extreme turbo and buy a ETE 10 million because on the dsm drone time page. its says Sean glazer went 8's on it what type of mindless idiot would even suggest choosing a turbo based on a internet time colum

{in my dsm drone voice} let me look at the dsm drone time page to pick my next........ turbo

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by jdmawd
what type of mindless idiot would even suggest choosing a turbo based on a internet time colum

Its almost like you are ridiculously difficult on purpose JDM. Why would I choose the same turbo that Glazer is using unless I wanted to try and run 8s like him?

I will restate my point just for you. If you have a car and want to run x time it is a GOOD idea to see what your peers run with a similar setup. The times list is a good resource especially when combined with some additional research.