FP big t28 question...

[ohmygahitsjosh]

So my stock turbo blew beyond repair and i eventually want to upgrade to a larger turbo so i guess im trying to figure out if its possible to just buy the upgraded turbo now (i was thinking like a FP big t28) and just run it somewhere between 10 and 15psi until i can save up for an afc/injectors/pump/fmic?

The only mods I have are:
Dave Brode Upper IC piping
1g bov
mbc
2.5" turbo back custom exhaust

I apologize if this is actually answered somewhere else, ive legit been searching multiple boards for a few hours now... maybe someone hear could shed some light on it for me?


Thanks in advance
-Josh

 

[pboglio]

EVO3 16g and install kit is what I would go with. Should hold you over until you really get crazy with the mods.

 

[Tanro]

Shoot, a 14b would probably be a better idea than that t-28...

 

[pboglio]

Yeah, 14b isn't a bad move, should spool very quickly with a nice 6cm port job. Probably outspool the T28 as well if my memory serves me. Many options out there. T28 I don't recommend anymore as it is outdated and actually laggy for what it is.

 

[sax_man]

A FP t28 will flow right with a 16g turbo until you get above 20 psi. If you have modest power goals (around 300) and are looking a a very easy install, the t28 is a good choice. It is however a bit pricey.

 

[saechao04]

I have a T28 but I would also opt for a 16g instead, unless you got a really good deal for a t28 like I did.

 

[ohmygahitsjosh]

According to the FP site the FP version big t-28 essentially spools almost as fast as a t-25 and would hold up to 400hp?

Doesnt that equal out to pretty damn close to an e316g? except the e316g with the install kit and 02 housing is going to cost me more than the FP big t28... I guess that was my main reason for choosing to go that route...

and I think if I went 14b id want to upgrade that sooner and Id rather not upgrade twice if I can help it...

oh and also mods Ill have I suppose are going to be arp head studs, ### I have the motor apart right now redoing the head gasket and other seals


thanks for the input guys feel free to keep it coming, id like to figure out a decision by tomorrow so i can get the parts ordered and get my car back on the road where its my daily driver

And yea my hp goals are modest...
id shoot for 300ish

I dont want to have to replace my internals or upgrade transmission... I wasnt going to upgrade the turbo even yet ### monies a bit tight but I figure while its broke might as well just upgrade the turbo now and run it very conservatively til I can get the mods i was saving up for initially, those being 650 injectors/190fp/an afc and a front mount or larger sidemount depending if I can find a fmic that requires little to no cutting of the stock front bumper.... im i guess what youd call, not so skilled at finesse work when it comes to cutting hard plastic ;]

 

[Dert]

A used 16g can be had in the classifieds for under 300, you can reuse water pipes, buy new oil feed and return and you now have a 16g that is still like $400 under t28 price wich can go towards supporting mods to turn boost up...

 

[pboglio]

No, EVO3 16g will make 400 w.h.p. The T28 maybe 330-340 w.h.p. under the same atmospheric conditions. T28 outspools the EVO3 16g by about 100-200 rpms, almost can't tell the difference. EVO3 16g costs maybe $800-850 installed, the T28 at least $932 with the 17 psi wastegate actuator.

 

[98GSXtacy]

I am going with a 14b on my gsx for now. Less than $100 for turbo with all lines shipped to me. For that price and a modest boost in performance, it's worth it to me. Plus you save that extra $700-800 for supporting mods to go bigger and faster later down the line. If you wanna know how far you can push the 14b, just search this site. I think you will be surprised by how far that turbo can take you. Just my .02.

 

[saechao04]

Don't compare a used 16g to a new t28, of course its going to be more expensive, I got my used FP BT28 for $200 with the upgraded actuator. I don't regret my purchase as I got it for dirt cheap and its still boosting.

 

[98GSXtacy]

Yeah but how many times do you find a T28 for that price? I haven't seen one in good condition in a very long time. 16G's on the other hand, plenty of them for great prices. That's why it got brought up in the first place, it was a thought to go used 16g INSTEAD of new T28. If you can find a good condition used T28 for a good price and that's what you'd prefer, jump on it. But if price is a concern and you can't find a good used T28, 14b/16g used would be the logical choice.

 

[Dert]

16g also flows almost 10lbs more than t28 at 22 psi...

 

[ohmygahitsjosh]

I guess im a bit hesitant on buying a used turbo just because i dont have much experience with them where this was my first turbo car so its hard for me to look at one and say yea this wasnt beaten to $hit by the previous owner ;]

 

[jjrock5]

If you're hestitant on buying used, then buy new, and get the 16g. Cheaper and has as much potential, if not more than the T28. I've had the T28, spools great and pulls very nice, untuned at 15 psi. But I didnt buy the turbo, it came with the car.

I'd go with the E316g.

 

[ohmygahitsjosh]

and also are you guys talking about the original t-28 turbo? or the Forced Performance version Big t-28....

this is the one I was considering:
Forced Performance Turbochargers: DSM FP Big 28 Turbo

 

[ifeelubu]

i have a big t28 but i got mines new for $400 thats why i bought it but if i didnt i would of gone with a evo 3 16g

 

[ohmygahitsjosh]

I cant seem to find any place I can piece together a full e316g kit for less than the $832.50 cost of the fp big t28...

Ive been trying to search thru mostly vendors ive seen listed on this site, about the cheapest ive come across is right around $900-$925 for the Turbo itself, the o2 housing, and the 2g install kit w/ j pipe and lines etc...

If i can find a setup (e316g) for less than the fp big t28 im pretty sure id go that route instead ### I hear pretty much always positive things from people running that setup


Also something to consider I guess would be, where Im going to have to run it at a conservative low psi til I can get the other supporting mods, which turbo wouldnt mind so much holding low boost for awhile

 

[Dert]

I cant seem to find any place I can piece together a full e316g kit for less than the $832.50 cost of the fp big t28...

Ive been trying to search thru mostly vendors ive seen listed on this site, about the cheapest ive come across is right around $900-$925 for the Turbo itself, the o2 housing, and the 2g install kit w/ j pipe and lines etc...

If i can find a setup (e316g) for less than the fp big t28 im pretty sure id go that route instead ### I hear pretty much always positive things from people running that setup


Also something to consider I guess would be, where Im going to have to run it at a conservative low psi til I can get the other supporting mods, which turbo wouldnt mind so much holding low boost for awhile

when I first got my e316g I had stock injectors, fuel pump and exhaust, I had it set at 15 psi and it pulled 100 times harder than the t25 at 15psi, you can safely run it at 15 psi with no worries (provided all basic maintanence is kept up to date) and believe me you will be smiling everytime you hit boost, and with the extra $$ you will save you can get some supporting mods, the 16G can take you a long way as you gradually build up, you can reuse your t25 water lines you just have to bend little (and I mean a little) oil feed and return lines can be bought new for fairly resonable, and you could probably do the install yourself, heck I did mine myself and I have very little experiance with car mechanics, there is more than enough info on here with pictures to get you through the install step by step, IMO the 16G route will be the best bang for your buck and the results can go a long way. I used this to do my install, it was actually not too hard at all to do How to: Replace your T25 with a MHI Turbo (14b/16g) - Team-2G Mitsubishi Forum

 

[jjrock5]

I cant seem to find any place I can piece together a full e316g kit for less than the $832.50 cost of the fp big t28...

Ive been trying to search thru mostly vendors ive seen listed on this site, about the cheapest ive come across is right around $900-$925 for the Turbo itself, the o2 housing, and the 2g install kit w/ j pipe and lines etc...

If i can find a setup (e316g) for less than the fp big t28 im pretty sure id go that route instead ### I hear pretty much always positive things from people running that setup


Also something to consider I guess would be, where Im going to have to run it at a conservative low psi til I can get the other supporting mods, which turbo wouldnt mind so much holding low boost for awhile

You can use the o2 housing you have now (maybe port it if you want), you can use the coolant lines off the turbo you have now (just with a little modifying), you can use the 2g oil drain line you have now (just have to slot the holes at the turbo side of the line). All you would really need is an oil feed line, a j-pipe, and a LICP. You saved a few hundred bucks if you follow this.

 

[Dert]

You can use the o2 housing you have now (maybe port it if you want), you can use the coolant lines off the turbo you have now (just with a little modifying), you can use the 2g oil drain line you have now (just have to slot the holes at the turbo side of the line). All you would really need is an oil feed line, a j-pipe, and a LICP. You saved a few hundred bucks if you follow this.

even the stock lower intercooler pipe can be used, all you have to do is flip it around and it will work just fine, and OP I just bought a punishment short route front mount and currently have punishment hard intercoolerpipes for stock side mount I will be getting rid of if you need hard pipes...check out my prof pics to see what they look like, and jjrock, kinda wierd that you just posted because I literaly just watched your youtube video on punishment front mount like 10 min ago...providing that you are the same jjrock5 that posted it and i'm guessing you are!

 

[jjrock5]

even the stock lower intercooler pipe can be used, all you have to do is flip it around and it will work just fine, and OP I just bought a punishment short route front mount and currently have punishment hard intercoolerpipes for stock side mount I will be getting rid of if you need hard pipes...check out my prof pics to see what they look like, and jjrock, kinda wierd that you just posted because I literaly just watched your youtube video on punishment front mount like 10 min ago...providing that you are the same jjrock5 that posted it and i'm guessing you are!

. That's me man. I think you just subscribed to my YouTube. Thanks for that.

 

[Dsmj89]

I agree with everyone else, for the same price you'd waste on a t28 you can get yourself a nice evo3 16g, oil feed and return, and still have some leftover for an evo3 or tubular o2 housing.

 

[ohmygahitsjosh]

okay guys thanks a ton for your help, i guess with feedback like this the obvious choice is to go evo 3 and just run at 15 psi til i can afford an ebay fmic, some evo 560 injectors or 650's, and an evo or 190 fuel pump and an Afc...

Exactly how hard is it to do a good porting job yourself?
keep in mind that in art class i was the kid whos 'clay vase' or whatever always ended up being some sort of paperweight/change holder haha ;]

I know theres some walk thrus on here and i think i saw one on vfaq too, ive seen die grinders new for as cheap as under $20 so thats why im asking i guess

my exhaust manifold is starting to get a couple hairline cracks in it too, so thats going to need replacing as well and thatll probably be the first thing i get to after this, just to prevent it from getting much worse and keep things sealed up

Also where did everyone pick up their e316g?
Ive been searching arounfd and they all seem to be right around the same price, some places offer porting/clipping, ive seen somewhere they offered the e3 and the e3 o2 housing ported for like ~800... there seems to be quite a difference in the '2g install kit' pricing tho...

So where is my best bet to get the parts I need for the best price?
Is it better to piece together an install kit rather then get the ones they have available?

I would rather not reuse any of my old t-25 lines simply because they are like... 12 years old and definately look like theyve seen better days ;]

thanks again for all the helpful insight and help its nice to be able to post in here and have people share their experience so as to avoid throwing money that i dont have around on possibly getting a setup that I wouldnt have been happy with

so thanks again!
-Josh

 

[907gs-t]

I run a FP BT-28 ported & I love it no doubt & I'd buy it again.