For those with 2G non turbos!!!

[khartley]

I just looked at the stock 1/4 mile time for my new 95 GS, and it was 16.6 can't have that - too slow.

So I want to know what all you non turbo 2G guys have done to your cars performance wise. And don't say turbo it, cause I'm not wanting to get extreme and expensive. I'm just looking to put it in the 15's somewhere. So give me some ideas.

If any of you have time slips for your n/t 2g, let me know what it is.

 

[fwdturbobov1996]

Cai , headers , high flow cat, exhaust , and some good driving i could see someone hitting 15's

 

[jimwross]

Thats just it though... your never going to go "fast" without some sort of forced induction... not for a reasonable amount of $$$ anyway.

If you think about it, the two grand you spend on a turbo kit, isn't that expensive after you addup all of the money you will have saved by not buying N/A parts that don't do dick.

Yes, I have owned both 4G63 and a 420a.

If you really really don't want to go turbo, which is by far the best option, using nitrous can perhaps get you the times your looking for... but after headers, exhaust, intake, pulley's etc... etc... and then nitrous... your already at what it would have cost to buy a turbo kit in the first place.

 

[khartley]

Thats just it though... your never going to go "fast" without some sort of forced induction... not for a reasonable amount of $$$ anyway.

If you think about it, the two grand you spend on a turbo kit, isn't that expensive after you addup all of the money you will have saved by not buying N/A parts that don't do dick.

Yes, I have owned both 4G63 and a 420a.

If you really really don't want to go turbo, which is by far the best option, using nitrous can perhaps get you the times your looking for... but after headers, exhaust, intake, pulley's etc... etc... and then nitrous... your already at what it would have cost to buy a turbo kit in the first place.

I don't think you really understand what I'm talking about.

I already own one of the fastest cars in my town...I'm not interested in turboing the car - if I wanted a turbo, I would have stuck it out and waited for one. Personally, I don't want the problems associated with turbocharging a non turbo car. And I want a reliable daily driver.

I'm not going for faster times, I'm not drag racing the damn thing. I just want to get it into mid 15's, so I'm still in one of the reasonably fast cars on the road.

 

[gigahz95]

I would have stuck it out and waited for one.

Keep telling urself that.

In the meantime, face the facts. I used to own a 95 esi, and researched the matter heavily on my own. I agree with you though, turboing the stock 420a motor isnt reliable or recomended. Your best bet is to get the standard "Intake, header, exhaust" then if the lack of results doesnt discourage you move onto pullies, porting(throttle, intake mani?) and maybe an afc or some other computer upgrade.

Is nitrous out of the question for you as well?

 

[khartley]

Is nitrous out of the question for you as well?

Yeah, I'm not bashing the people that do use it, but I would never use it myself. For more than one reason.

This is my own opinion, but I see it as fake HP, but then again so is a turbo or supercharger - so I kind of have to eat my own words on that one in a way.

Also, I think it is a waste of money. Reason being you buy the kit, then you fill up the bottle, and go race. When your bottle is empty, you don't have that power anymore. I would rather spend the money on something like headers and exhaust that once they are on, they are on. I don't have to keep dumping money into them.

I think nitrous has it's purpose, and that is only for out-and-out drag/race cars, to get that last little bit needed to win, or get the best time.

Please don't flame me on the NOS thing, it's just opinions

 

[miamieclipse]

First off for the people who said headers the 420a has only 1 header.

KHartley: You should have posted this in the n/t section, guess your lucky i was cruising the hangout

If you don't want any sort of forced induction or nitrous (which i have and i was not offended by your comments ) this is what i would think about:

-A header is a nice thing to have but it does not do much on the n/t car ($140-300)
-The Underdrive pulley which you can get from howellautomotive is the best bang/buck mod for the n/t other than nitrous. $140-200 (On sale for 120 @ howell right now)
-You will want to consider a cai as the stock airbox is extremly restrictive $50-200
-A Hi-Flow cat depending on what state you live in $30-60
-Cat Back Exhaust (2.5" or 2.25" piping) will eliminate unneccesary bends in your alreadyd small diametered exhaust system. $150-300
-Intake manifold is THE most restrictive part of the 420a..you can have it ported for $100ish
-The stock tb is 48 mm that tapers of to 52mm, there is a porting service on ebay that will port it to straight thru 52mm for $45

 

[96TSi_Chris]

I'm not going for faster times, I'm not drag racing the damn thing. I just want to get it into mid 15's.

Doesnt that kind of double back over itself? Anyway, its a daily driver, why in the world does in need to be fast? Supposidly you wont be racing it, but yet you want to be one of the reasonably faster cars on the road? Doesnt make sense. Plus the fact is, you have a turbo dsm and you are getting this car for reliability, so what purpose does it serve for yourself and your wallet by dropping 2 grand into a car thats not going anywhere even after those parts. Its not going accomplish much, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[sexehtopper]

no2

 

[Turbo 420a]

Cold air-intake and new ignition wires.

You should be in the 9's, easily.

 

[InfamousEclipse]

practice driving thats for damn sure... 15's are pretty hard on a 420a n/a IMO- get it running as well as possible and get some decent bolt ons... and practice practice

check out www.2Gnt.com

 

[chuckdog_5]

I already own one of the fastest cars in my town...I'm not interested in turboing the car

Damn, a 16second car is considered one of the fastest cars in town, must be a bunch of ricers there, is there even a turbo car in your town? No disrespect or anything, but your not going to accomplish much with out forced induction. Look at all the hondas, the only ones that are fast and not turbo are the internal built ones, wich you should consider that option. By you sayin you want more performance but not racing, doesnt make much sense, but im sure you just want to get around easier, or something.

No offense to you NT guys, but i dont think i could ever own one after owning 5turbo cars, but hey, what ever floats your boat

 

[miamieclipse]

Damn, a 16second car is considered one of the fastest cars in town, must be a bunch of ricers there, is there even a turbo car in your town? No disrespect or anything, but your not going to accomplish much with out forced induction. Look at all the hondas, the only ones that are fast and not turbo are the internal built ones, wich you should consider that option. By you sayin you want more performance but not racing, doesnt make much sense, but im sure you just want to get around easier, or something.

No offense to you NT guys, but i dont think i could ever own one after owning 5turbo cars, but hey, what ever floats your boat

1) She already owns a 1g turbo awd so that is the car she was referring to when she said fastest car in her town dumbass

2) Umm I am 17 years old...I have been working since i was 14 to save enough to buy a car, i bought my 97 n/t a couple months after i turned 16 with my own money. The n/t avg prices selling at the time was between 4-5k and turbo's 6-7k...Now apart from that extra 2-3 k that i was unable to save the insurance difference between a n/t and turbo (just pip) is about $60onth thats $720 a year...So take that 2k that you saved by buying a n/t car and that 720$ and theoritcally i still have money saved over......

 

[chuckdog_5]

1) She already owns a 1g turbo awd so that is the car she was referring to when she said fastest car in her town dumbass

2) Umm I am 17 years old...I have been working since i was 14 to save enough to buy a car, i bought my 97 n/t a couple months after i turned 16 with my own money. The n/t avg prices selling at the time was between 4-5k and turbo's 6-7k...Now apart from that extra 2-3 k that i was unable to save the insurance difference between a n/t and turbo (just pip) is about $60onth thats $720 a year...So take that 2k that you saved by buying a n/t car and that 720$ and theoritcally i still have money saved over......

1) thanks smartass, not everyone on here knows what everyone else drives

2) i dont really know what that has to do with anything, but im glad you did it on your own, when i was 16 i just got a loan and got my first 1g awd. but if its a daily driver and she already has a fast 1g, then i dont think she should worry about modding it, its a daily driver for a reason. im not flaming you nt guys, i just would of never bought one, i would of waited. if you saved that long, i dont think another 6months or so would of hurt you, depending on how much you made of course

 

[khartley]

Good God, I knew I was asking for trouble when I posted this

MiamiEclipse - thanks for setting Chuckdog straight, that would be sad if a n/t eclipse was one of the fastest cars in town, that would probably mean I would have to live in a population 10 redneck town or something.
Also thanks for posting that list, helps out alot with some ideas.

For the rest of you flaming me, you must be pretty closed minded to n/t cars. They have their benefits, just like the turbo cars do.

I don't really understand how 15's is such an unreasonable goal. I'm sure there is alot that can be done, having the car still be more reliable than a turbo car (in most cases, not all)

And I'll say it once again:

All I want to do is make the car a little faster than stock. Just for fun, I guess. So I don't see what some of you aren't getting.

 

[96TSi_Chris]

I wasnt flaming, i just dont see your reasoning.

Id drive it to get me from point A to point B which is generally what a daily driver is for someone who already has a fast car. Id drop my money into my turbo car. But i guess thats just me.

Id do intake and thats it. No offense to the n/t cars, but some of those exhausts are just rediculously too loud. An intake makes any car sound good.

 

[khartley]

I wasnt flaming, i just dont see your reasoning.

Id drive it to get me from point A to point B which is generally what a daily driver is for someone who already has a fast car. Id drop my money into my turbo car. But i guess thats just me.

Id do intake and thats it. No offense to the n/t cars, but some of those exhausts are just rediculously too loud. An intake makes any car sound good.

Yeah I had Pacesetter exhaust and header on my 94 GS and it was way too loud.

 

[2GeNTSi]

Yeah I had Pacesetter exhaust and header on my 94 GS and it was way too loud.

from my experiences any sort of exhaust modification to a nt car gets it super loud. Just a muffler welded on to one is louder then my turbo-back that I used to have on. My friend with a 99 GS has the whole exhaust system modified but he has a hi-flow cat and the n1 catback which has resonators I believe, and it wasn't too bad noise wise. Still sounded like a typical import car with a muffler but it wasn't obnoxious...from what I can remember.

 

[igopoopy]

1) thanks smartass, not everyone on here knows what everyone else drives

maby it was her user profile that that lets everyone know what she drives

 

[GSGoinFast]

maby it was her user profile that that lets everyone know what she drives

hmmm.... that could make sense... ill have to PM Ludachris and see if thats what its for.

you guys act like an NT is a complete dead end and wont be able to break into the 15's for all hell. well, to inform you all, there not.

with about $1000 spent on my car(not counting my AFC or gauges) im hoping to get in the 14's, and am positive(although not tested) that i could hang with or beat any stock or lightly modded turbo model.

the basic bolt ons arnt gonna get you anywhere fast(pun intended). driving is a big part of it. i believe that someone in the 1/4 mile time list ran a 15.8 with just an intake and exaust.

just throw an intake and nice sounding exauste on, and enjoy a semi quick daily driver that can still mop up most hondas if need be.

 

[gigahz95]

with about $1000 spent on my car(not counting my AFC or gauges) im hoping to get in the 14's, and am positive(although not tested) that i could hang with or beat any stock or lightly modded turbo model.

the basic bolt ons arnt gonna get you anywhere fast(pun intended). driving is a big part of it. i believe that someone in the 1/4 mile time list ran a 15.8 with just an intake and exaust.

Your car seems like it would be pretty quick for a n/t. Thats still a bold statement. A lightly modded awd turbo yields a whole second drop in the quarter though.

 

[miamieclipse]

Your car seems like it would be pretty quick for a n/t. Thats still a bold statement. A lightly modded awd turbo yields a whole second drop in the quarter though.

and thats why he said stock :laugh:

 

[dr1665]

Woohoo! Here we go again!

You want to get a little more bang out of your beater. Maybe break into the 15s for as little money as possible. Stick with the basics:

* intake - cheap, eBay fare and a decent filter will do
* GST rear section exhaust - bolts right up, flows and sounds better
* header - used can be found for less than $100
* UDP - Howell has the most popular and it's said to yield the most noticable gains on an NT

All this should run you under $500 and net you a half second if you're any good on the track. Getting into the low 15s with a 2GNT is going to take serious tuning and funds. The current fastest is a 15 flat and he's got a set up similar to mine. I'm going to venture to say that hitting 15 flat will run you in the neighborhood of 5 grand worth of engine work and a lot of practice. That's not to say it's not a worthy goal. Any turbo DSM can get into the 14s, but to get an NT there would be pretty cool.

Hope this helps. There's only so much you can do to our pig heavy NTs before you start needing a fatter wallet.

 

[miamieclipse]

imho i would go w/ what dr1665 said....and maybe add a p&p intake manifold & tb (can have both done for $150-250)


DR1665 is daisy back up yet? I saw you changed your username on 2gnt to v2

 

[dr1665]

DR1665 is daisy back up yet?

Daisy is waiting to see how much she can get out of the insurance company on the comp claim. If a claim means totalling her out and having money for a 1G AWD, then I will be cancelling the claim and putting her bottom end back together a piece at a time. Damn wrist pin lock...

I saw you changed your username on 2gnt to v2

I did. Too much has changed in the last 6 months to stay the same.