FMIC next??

[Pro3racer]

My question is simple, I'm going to be keeping my 14b turbo for a while now, so i can get absolutely everything else done with the car, before i upgrade the turbo. Yes, I'm doing every supporting mod first, then the turbo(the right way). I am thinking about getting a johnny race car FMIC, but what size should i get, remember, for the 14b, the only turbo, if i even get the new turbo, would be a normal 16g, nothing special, its not a race car. Do i even need a FMIC, how much would it help performace, and driveability wise? If you thinking of any questions you need to ask, for more info, please ask, I'm fine with any ideas. thanks

 

[GPTourer]

The stock 2G sidemount is a joke, and I hear the 1G is even smaller. If you plan on going over 15psi, and you don't live at the South Pole. Go ahead and get a nice FMIC. It doesn't have be that particular vendor's FULL RACE I'm your daddy FMIC, but a nice sized one.

 

[gixrman]

A supra SMIC will work just fine, add W/I and your good to go for a 16g. When I went from the Supra IC to the FMIC did'nt really notice a difference.

 

[speedy13]

The stock 2G sidemount is a joke, and I hear the 1G is even smaller. If you plan on going over 15psi, and you don't live at the South Pole. Go ahead and get a nice FMIC. It doesn't have be that particular vendor's FULL RACE I'm your daddy FMIC, but a nice sized one.

those are definitely nice intercoolers, i personally don't believe in spending 1k for an intercooler,but a front mount is a nice upgrade.If you shop around and do a couple of DIY you should be able to pull off a nice FMIC setup for half that.supra's sidemounts are nice,but i like the look of the fmic

P.S> gtp nice ride,but the 1g intercooler is bigger then the 2g,i don't know if it flows more,but i know it's bigger.

 

[CanadianTSi]

A 7" tall core would do fine, but a 10" tall wouldn't hurt either.

 

[never2muchBoost]

P.S> gtp nice ride,but the 1g intercooler is bigger then the 2g,i don't know if it flows more,but i know it's bigger.

1g core is bigger, 2g outlets are bigger, its a trade off

 

[Pro3racer]

Basically, price is the biggest issue here, and making sure i get the right stuff, in the right order. I am pretty sure i have everything i need for the car(ALL maintence done, all of it, except a logger, i can't think of anything else). I'm doing custom short route piping, and selling my UICP to save money. I don't want anything huge, just enough to do the job, running my 14b at about 17psi(track) 14psi(daily), and not have to do any cutting the front bumper, yes the supports will be trimmed for the piping, but i need this to look factory, no half-assing. What size will be good for my uses, i've looked at supra sidemounts, and the cost won't be that much different, same with the work needed(there is work to do for a supra conv.)

 

[waiting2bl33d]

i did the work when i put in my supra side mount and it was more of a pain and time consuming than expensive picked one up on suprafourms.com for 50 dollars. and get the logger and s-afcII (if you don't have one) before the Frount Mount better gas millage and it runs so much better =

 

[GPTourer]

A supra SMIC will work just fine, add W/I and your good to go for a 16g. When I went from the Supra IC to the FMIC did'nt really notice a difference.

Spending a grand on a FMIC was not an issue for me (I got my Hahn for 900), and I like the look so a Supra IC would just not do it for me. To each is own of course, and I understand budget concerns. Maybe it would be enough since you live in a cooler climate, but to me W/I is just a band aid for something else that's ineffective, on a street car - that is. I would rather not worry what would happen if my water ran out.

P.S> gtp nice ride

Thank you.

 

[TalonJohn94]

Pro3Racer, what mods did you have when you ran the 1/4 mile time listed in your profile?

 

[Pro3racer]

All of them, i ####ed up my launch really bad, yes i know i know, but it was my first time ever on a track racing(any car), first time racing this car, street or strip(i don't beat this car), and i was just plain nervous as hell. I was told though from my friend/mechanic that i bought the car from, that it is a high 13s car, and many other area people confirmed that, so i know i have to get used to launching it.

 

[speedy13]

How about a evo8,or srt intercooler?I'm acheap bastard.,you can get these on ebay for less then 200 bucks.I don't know what your hp goals are,but if they are over 350ish these probably won't suffice.Also to take in mind is that a huge IC may bring overheating problems in summertime.I personally have a starion FMIC waiting in my storage to be installed,some people will frown on this intercooler,but it will suffice my needs.It's not a HUGE upgrade from stock,but it's an upgrade,and since my target hp is only 275-300 whp on a 16g it'll be good enough for me.

 

[Pro3racer]

well see, i won't be moving from my 14b, the only turbo that i might add to the car, would be a 16g, just a 16g, nothing bigger, and with my budget, and college looming for me, money probably won't be there. So a 14b turbo is what i got, and what i'm keeping, but i want to do everything else to it, .

 

[gixrman]

Spending a grand on a FMIC was not an issue for me (I got my Hahn for 900), and I like the look so a Supra IC would just not do it for me. To each is own of course, and I understand budget concerns. Maybe it would be enough since you live in a cooler climate, but to me W/I is just a band aid for something else that's ineffective, on a street car - that is. I would rather not worry what would happen if my water ran out.

Well not to go off topic, but W/I is not a band aid. Its proven and thats all i'm gonna say. You asked for suggestions and I gave'um. A FMIC is nice but for a 14b,16g its overkill for the street unless your pushing over 20psi. He(pro3racer) asked for a street use, low boost setup.

 

[GPTourer]

Well not to go off topic, but W/I is not a band aid. Its proven and thats all i'm gonna say. You asked for suggestions and I gave'um. A FMIC is nice but for a 14b,16g its overkill for the street unless your pushing over 20psi. He(pro3racer) asked for a street use, low boost setup.

I didn't ask for anything. And your suggestions are welcome, of course. I didn't say W/I wasn't proven, or didn't work, but it is used as band aid for lowering charge temps and inferior octane levels. As in a substitute for race gas, or a cooler intake charge. If you tune for it and you don't have any water in your resevior, your engine will knock, that is why it is a band aid IMO. The original poster never said anything about the amount of boost he wants to run, so I said, if he plans to go over 15psi I think he would be happiest with a front mount. My street car would heat soak the small IC at 18psi with my EvoIII, so I don't think a FMIC would be overkill. That is all.

 

[gixrman]

Post #7 he stated he was only going to run 17psi at the track and 14 on the street, which is way to low for the full potential of the 16g. But anyway I get your point about it being a band-aid it that respect. After using it though and seeing and feeling the effects, I am a strong advocate for it. I use about 1 gallon per tank of gas and since I use my washer fluid res. the idiot light keeps me safe.

Under extreme boost then yes I would'nt want to run dry.

 

[GPTourer]

Post #7 he stated he was only going to run 17psi at the track and 14 on the street, which is way to low for the full potential of the 16g.

Sorry, I missed that part. I agree that is way too loo for a 16G. Why go through all the expense of doing all the fuel mods and all the supporting mods just to run 14psi? Just go ahead and do a FMIC and run 17psi all the time. I am looking into a an N-ter cooler kit and/or water injection just for an added bit of safety on top of my already conservative tune. Just because it will give an added bit of protection because it gets so friggen hot down here. My HG will love it, I'm sure.

 

[Pro3racer]

One big thing that all of you are forgetting. I am on the 14b turbo!!! I don't have a 16g, and how money seems to always slip away, might never get one. I want to get everything for the car, to do the upgrade to the 16g though. I have every stage 1 mod done, getting a tuner, i can borrow a logger. I want to make sure if i should spend the money on a FMIC, even though i'm keeping the 14b. FYI, i'm a senior in h.s. and am going to college next year, thats why money will be tight. I make my money, and it goes directly into the car, no help from anyone, so a new turbo is a hard thing to do, with the price of gas, insurance, matenience, weekend fun......
Basically my new question, much simplified....
Will a Johnny Race Car FMIC give me more power using the 14b, at 17psi, then staying with the sidemount, and does the increase in power out take the price and trouble of installing it. Is it worth it on a 14b turbo?????

 

[SpoOLxExO]

hmmmm....

Yes.

yes.

yEs.

and....

Yes...

A FMIC will do nothing but good. IT works like this:

any turbo @ any boost + FMIC (Denser charge) - Knock(sidemount I/C)= more timing advance~ more power!

You will make more power then on a sidemount because they heat soak incredibly easily even after short 2nd-3rd gear pulls.

Get the Front mount, bottom line.

P.s. My galant VR4 was making 280AWHP on a 14b @ 18psi with just a fuel pump, afc, and a Modern Speed Labs 28"x11"x3.5" FMIC, so the bigger the better!

14b rocks! way under-rated!!!

 

[TalonJohn94]

As a fellow WI DSMer, I say spend half the money of the FMIC and just get the 16g - and tune often to account for the 40 degree changes weekly.

Maybe I'm just impatient - but I'd rather get use my EVO3 16g with more fuel before I invest in $150 UICP, $1000 FMIC, or even $80 Wires.

Where in "central" WI are you?

 

[Pro3racer]

I live in stevens point. I am thinking now, instead of the FMIC, to completely finish off the fuel side of things, and get a tad bigger injecters, to really use my S-AFC. But that FMIC is tempting, my mechanic said though to only get a 7" tall FMIC if i get it, because the 14b will puke on anything bigger, its just not big enough turbo.

 

[gixrman]

A FMIC will do nothing but good. IT works like this:

any turbo @ any boost + FMIC (Denser charge) - Knock(sidemount I/C)= more timing advance~ more power!

hmmmm... so your saying that if I go and slap a hugh IC on the front of my car it will be better because its bigger? Even though the turbo will now have to work harder to fill more area to produce the same amount of boost. Or that this will increase turbo lag and air temp because your now pushing the turbo out of its efficiency range?

This is the wrong car to have on a budget. Do the IC last, not saying it won't help but.....

 

[Brandon92DSM]

Basically, price is the biggest issue here, and making sure i get the right stuff, in the right order. I am pretty sure i have everything i need for the car(ALL maintence done, all of it, except a logger, i can't think of anything else). I'm doing custom short route piping, and selling my UICP to save money. I don't want anything huge, just enough to do the job, running my 14b at about 17psi(track) 14psi(daily), and not have to do any cutting the front bumper, yes the supports will be trimmed for the piping, but i need this to look factory, no half-assing. What size will be good for my uses, i've looked at supra sidemounts, and the cost won't be that much different, same with the work needed(there is work to do for a supra conv.)

http://www.extremeintercoolers.com/new_page_2.htm

check him out.

 

[SpoOLxExO]

hmmmm... so your saying that if I go and slap a hugh IC on the front of my car it will be better because its bigger? Even though the turbo will now have to work harder to fill more area to produce the same amount of boost. Or that this will increase turbo lag and air temp because your now pushing the turbo out of its efficiency range?

This is the wrong car to have on a budget. Do the IC last, not saying it won't help but.....

You have no idea what you are saying. Besides pressure drop will only occur with lower quality cores, you have to shop around to get the best flow/dollar.

Saying that a FMIC is not a good first upgrade is rediculous. If its a starion FMIC, not good. But if one goes with a spreaco core, then nothing but good.

Besides lag is relative to tuning. Anyone who thinks that a bolt on product like a FMIC causes enough "lag" to whine about, your in the wrong game.

Get a Front mount. I have one myself on a 14b, I would be kicking my own ass if I tried to run over 15psi on any turbo with no large intercooler. It may work well sometimes, but its the long term goals you have with the car that really count.

Run one 11, or a bunch of 12.5's, you know what I mean? Keep your engine cool it will thank you I promise!

 

[speedy13]

not to hijack your thread,but why is the starion fmic not a good one?