FMIC and T-25, bad match?

[QCV8eater]

Hey everyone, it's been a long time I didn't post here...

I recenlty got a MAF + MAFT combo. As I was trying to install all that, I found out it'd run to a $250+ setup (without MAFT and translator, which was $200) to get decent UICP+LICP pipes and weld a BOV flange + BOV.

So, always thinking "do it once, do it right", I thought of going straight to a FMIC. The kit I like the most is the AGP one (28.5x3x10.5) and that's what i was thinking of buying when i'd get my PTE5031RLE or PTE3431RLE sometime at the end of the summer...

But for the remaining time till then, is it really such a bad idea to go with a FMIC of that size, still on the T25? At the same time, i'm trying to push that dwarf of a turbo to it's limits to see how low i can get on the ¼ with it, just for fun till I get a "real" turbo...

I guess my profile isn't up to date. I've now got 3" o2 elim downpipe, MAFT, pump and regulator as well as DSMlink. Waiting for my turbo to put bigger injectors in.

What do you guys think?

 

[tstkl]

i run a 14b with a jrc 8 inch fmic. im sure youll live until you get a bigger turbo. even if the lag is unbearable, think of the money your saving. if it makes your car slower for the time being, who cares, your going with a 50 trim later, so all will be good then.

 

[kottyking]

Well there will definately be some pressure drop, but you'll live untill you upgrade.

 

[psychlow]

Yes - there will be a slight pressure drop, but only because you're cooling the air. Cool air takes up less room - you'll still be flowing the same amount of air to the engine. You can still make more power because you'll have less heat making it to the engine, and therefore you can run a slightly more aggressive tune without detonating if you wish.

Even on a hairdryer that is a T-25, a FMIC is an improvement.

I'm sure that someone will come in here and tell you that there'll be more turbo lag, but real world experience has shown that it's so slight, if any, that it's not noticeable. Turbos flow so much air that a larger core and piping is peanuts in comparison to how much air the engine inhales.

 

[dalatinromeo]

Your right do it once, do it right. Yes if your set on getting it now get it now, and you won't have to worry about selling your UCIP+LICP when you upgrade to a short route fmic.

Get it now, and you will not regret it later.

Stay boostin

 

[QCV8eater]

any possible danger to the turbo by a putting the FMIC?

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

if I were you I would wish it would put danger to the t25. The faster it dies, the faster you can upgrade to a big turbo

 

[napkinthief]

Boosting the crap out of it will harm it. The FMIC wont. Think of it as baggy pants, no harm just dont fit right. You may have to do the turbo>ic piping again if the new turbo you put in is angled different than the t25.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

I think you should do the mods in proper order, putting a FMIC at the moment will give you no gain, maybe a little extra lag due to longer intercooler pipes. Intake, BOV, Exhaust, fuel pump, injectors, MBC, TURBO, FMIC is the more efficent way of moding. Thats just my .02 cents.

 

[QCV8eater]

I think you should do the mods in proper order, putting a FMIC at the moment will give you no gain, maybe a little extra lag due to longer intercooler pipes. Intake, BOV, Exhaust, fuel pump, injectors, MBC, TURBO, FMIC is the more efficent way of moding. Thats just my .02 cents.

You haven't read my first post till the end, have you?

 

[psychlow]

I'm sure that someone will come in here and tell you that there'll be more turbo lag, but real world experience has shown that it's so slight, if any, that it's not noticeable. Turbos flow so much air that a larger core and piping is peanuts in comparison to how much air the engine inhales.

I think you should do the mods in proper order, putting a FMIC at the moment will give you no gain, maybe a little extra lag due to longer intercooler pipes.

Ha! I knew it!

 

[kottyking]

if I were you I would wish it would put danger to the t25. The faster it dies, the faster you can upgrade to a big turbo

thats the way to do it!

 

[QCV8eater]

if I were you I would wish it would put danger to the t25. The faster it dies, the faster you can upgrade to a big turbo

My wallet and I don't agree on that one, unfortunately...

 

[Ryan95tsiAWD]

If you are running the stock LIP and UIP then a FMIC with hard piping is going to make the car faster period. The spool difference will be insignificant. It is hard to tell from your post, are you going to a different BOV? I suggest going ahead and getting a new one if you plan on running a bigger turbo down the road. I thought my 1gbov was fine until i switch to a type-s and realized that mine was leaking boost... of course not all do but why risk it.

 

[QCV8eater]

currently it's a 1g BOV. I would order the FMIC pipe flanged for a Tial.

 

[CRiXman]

Hello,

Thought I would share my experience with you all about my FMIC running on a T-25.

Just getting to the point just as psychlow mentioned, there is a little lag, but very little. I doesn’t bother me at all, and I am sure this will be the case for most of us.

With the FMIC the cars seems to pull a slight bit more.. But these are the import parts:

1) With the SMIC I used to run 14-15 psi (this was stock boost with the biss screw removed). Just by adding the FMIC boost is now at 10-11 psi, BUT the car pulls slightly more. This also results in better gas mileage, this is good especially with the astronomical fuel prices in Europe.
2) Even with winter temps (between –3 to + 3 degrees celcius) I used to Heat Soak after around 3 – 4 pulls with the SMIC.. however now with the FMIC I can pull much more than that! (do not know exactly how much more because never had heat soak issue again, lets wait and see in summer)

If you look at my mod list, you will notice I am almost stock! So I don’t even think the negligible lag issue will be an issue with freer exhaust systems etc.. Also Imagine I buy a boost controller and pump the boost back to 15-16… Wow.. that will be nice, I am sure..

Just yesterday, after a few pulls I touched the inlet IC piping before entering the IC, which was HOT and then felt the outlet IC piping side which was I would estimate at outside ambient temperatures.. (in other words very cool) I remember doing this with the SMIC, and the outlet IC piping side was never as cool as FMIC.

But then again I didn’t buy the biggest FMIC.. (7 inch extremeintercoolers.com kit, which I shall do a review upon, in the near future).

My conclusion is cold air is better no matter what, and it is always a good investment, especially when you plan to upgrade to a real hairdryer..

 

[dsm-onster]

I think you should do the mods in proper order, putting a FMIC at the moment will give you no gain, maybe a little extra lag due to longer intercooler pipes. Intake, BOV, Exhaust, fuel pump, injectors, MBC, TURBO, FMIC is the more efficent way of moding. Thats just my .02 cents.

Are you referring to the 1g/2g upgrade paths? They are for those that are unsure about where they should. They are a general guide.

What the heck is proper? will his car run like trash or blow up? If no, then who cares. I didn't follow the upgrade path because I knew exactly what I wanted. And how to get it. I got a turbo upgrade before I got bigger injectors. Wait! ! that's not in the 1g upgrade guide. Not trying to flame you. Just pointing out that a guide is a guide and is not a rule.