Flame on . . . I bought from ssautochrome

[Road-Rocket]

...one thing i noticed is that the flange that mates up to the head relative to the flange that mates up to the turbo is not at a 90 degree angle. I don't know if it is supposed to be that way or not but I presumed they would be at a 90 degree angle.

It's not supposed to be at a 90 degree angle. I think it's more like 85 or 80. May be even less. I noticed that too in my SBR manifold. And when the stocker came out, same thing. In fact, I have the stocker sitting right next to me and it's not 90 degrees relative to the head flange. You'll be fine as long as the product was built correctly. Just make sure the flanges are completely flat. As I mentioned before, the flange in my o2 housing was warped. Also have a file or some kind of grinding tool available just in case the bolt holes don't line up with the turbine housing or the head studs. I really hope this works for you. If it does and lasts more than a few months, I might consider getting the mani. When are you going to install it? Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[DSMvroom]

I'll be test fitting everything as soon as I get all the parts I ordered from SBR over a week ago. I have a dremel to use in case I need to make some slight adjustments to fitment.

Once SBR sends me my turbo and install kit, I'll be porting out the exhaust turbine housing and then everyting will start to be pre-assembled.

Anyway I am very pleased with the o2 housing so If all else, I got away with a decent o2 housing for the same price everywhere else is selling them for.

More updates will be posted whenever I have anything relevant to add.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Please note as already stated the manifold that failed had no other support other then the flange itself. His has brackets on the flange and evo3 16g weighs no where near as much as a holset a holset was made to be on a diesel everything on a diesel weighs more think about it, not only that the actual designs between the two are so different there shouldnt be really any comparison. Come on guys give it chance he bought it he is obviously gonna use it try it out or what have you, try and be a lil more optimistic. All these statements with no backing makes us all look more like the Honda owners you all like to bad mouth all the time.
Tyler

I'm not knocking it, it's just terribly hard to be optmistic about a product that was proven to fail. hopefully it WILL be a success story because amidst all the complaints, it'd be nice to see something actually work.

I have 3 things to add my .02 on :

1- although the bracket is already presupported, Try to find another way to weld/add on another support bracket. holsets ARE heavier, but the e316G is still heavy enough to do some damage if not properly supported. [heat/flex/etc]

2- since you have downtime, it doesn't hurt to take the manifold to a local machine shop and have them make sure the flanges are completely flat, and if not, have them work on it. they should do it for relatively cheap.

3- this arguement has went on and on, but the SBR AND SSAUTOCHROME o2 housing has a WG entry hole at almost a complete 90* entry angle. Although probably neglible, the entry angle could be improved.

 

[Bailzz]

Well I posted in the other flaming thread and I purchased the same set accept from XSPower and I will be taking tons of photos and so you know to put it to the test I will be bolting a 50trim to it, using there O2 housing with apexi downpipe. Internally gated though. So if it goes to sheet ohh well, lesson by my cheap ass learned !

 

[44pirate]

Well I posted in the other flaming thread and I purchased the same set accept from XSPower and I will be taking tons of photos and so you know to put it to the test I will be bolting a 50trim to it, using there O2 housing with apexi downpipe. Internally gated though. So if it goes to sheet ohh well, lesson by my cheap ass learned !

I bought the XSPower X-mani also. I'll be hanging a PTE SCM50 on it. I had the 14b on it and spooled much quicker. I will definitely attach it to the mounting bracket to the block. I had a long time ago bought the first SSautoshit, never used it, but I was able to compare he XSPOWER and the SSAUTOshit side by side, the XSPOWER is significantly heavier by weight, also it put the 14b in the stock position exactly, where as the SSAUTOshit did not even close. XSPOWER is definitely thicker in the tubular walls also.
My .02.

 

[Generation X]

well they just arrived today.

the o2 housing looks excellent. the manifold is alright. one thing i noticed is that the flange that mates up to the head relative to the flange that mates up to the turbo is not at a 90 degree angle. I don't know if it is supposed to be that way or not but I presumed they would be at a 90 degree angle.

As far as support goes, I think it should be ok. There are arms at each of the runners that connect to the flange as what is supposed to be extra support, and there is also one at the collector.

As far as the welds go, they are alright also. In its entirety, it isn't as professionally done as it really probably should be but I think this will work out just fine for my application.

*56k warning* each pic is at least 150kb
http://home.comcast.net/~albertcj/manifold.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~albertcj/manifold2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~albertcj/o2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~albertcj/o2-2.jpg

I think they look pretty good over all IMO. I don't see anything wrong with the quality. The welds look good as well. Let us know how they hold up.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I think they look pretty good over all IMO. I don't see anything wrong with the quality. The welds look good as well. Let us know how they hold up.

keep in mind, pretty does not always mean performance

and, I could have sworn XSPOWER and SSAUTOCHROME were the same company.. either way, i'm still interested in the results of this manifold/o2. but we'll only figure THAT out in a couple months

 

[DSMvroom]

yea ssautochrome and xspower are the same. Well, at least the prodcut is the same.

I'm still waiting word from SBR on my goodies . . . .

 

[Generation X]

keep in mind, pretty does not always mean performance

and, I could have sworn XSPOWER and SSAUTOCHROME were the same company.. either way, i'm still interested in the results of this manifold/o2. but we'll only figure THAT out in a couple months

Actually I'm more interested in how good the welds are than it looking pretty. As long as the welds are done right then he shouldn't have any problems. But yeah your right, pretty definitley doesn't mean performance everytime. I guess that's why I'm still using a hogged out stock exhaust manifold and o2 housing.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I guess that's why I'm still using a hogged out stock exhaust manifold and o2 housing.

you, me, and a lot of other tuners some of which trap 115+

 

[suicidal2af]

you, me, and a lot of other tuners some of which trap 115+

Ugh, not that I'm an "OMFGWOOTTUBULARPLOP" person, but people justifying not 'needing' a particular mod to run a certain time needs to stop.

Someone has gone 11's on a T25 with stock fuel system. Guess lots of people are wasting their time on useless mods, like bigger turbos.

 

[Skunked tsi]

11s on a T25 WTF who did that? I have to see what they did along with how big of a shot of nitrous.
Tyler

 

[otofmyway6]

they did just that...built the motor to handle a huge shot of nitrous. stock boost too. pretty crazy.

 

[Skunked tsi]

Who did this, names etc. I have never heard of this. Seems very hard to believe espescially at 12psi or so.
Tyler

 

[igopoopy]

its true he lives in AZ he has a t25 and stock fuel system and fwd
i think he uses a 110 shot and slicks and a gutted car

 

[bkruahnndon]

[Q#OTE=Sk#nked tsi]Who did this, names etc. I have never heard of this. Seems very hard to believe espescially at 12psi or so.
Tyler[/Q#OTE]


oh by the way he's FWD too..
check out the top of page 2 of the dsm 1/4 mile times.

 

[mitsugsx95]

I personally think all those pics look like poo... dirty poo with JB splashed all about.

I can understand the 1gs wanting to get a new manifold, but why do any of the 2g club need to upgrade their manifold? A ported 2g manifold will be more than enough for anyone wanting to put a larger turbo on there. If anything, maybe get an evo manifold or something cast, then you wont have to brace anything.

Same thing with the o2. Get an evo one if you cant port the stock one out.

Money can be better spent elsewhere.

 

[UncleBens]

The mani is crap and the ssautochrome shop/vender/ebay store is a joke.

The worst part about this thread is that you already knew better but yet you still purchased it. Have more respect for your car and the work you put into it and respect shops that do quality work. Its going to fail its just a matter of time, it may last a year but that is still a waste of time. Most of the time we don't hear from the people after their crap fails because they are too embarrassed to tell about it.

When you buy this crap you are just supporting the vendor that makes it and when you post about it with your false optimism you are encouraging people to buy this.

 

[Bailzz]

Why are you flaming over how I spend my money? I'm sick of everyone flaming this header but no one has the balls to buy one and slap a 50trim on it and keep a running log on how it lasts. Its my $200 and I'll spend it how I want. Ohh by the way its also my car, so if I want to run it with no oil to see how long it will last, my choice. So calm down and contribute or don't reply at all. Am I taking a risk by trying this........yes........do I care..........no. Also XSpower is the same company and the XSpower is the same header with a bit more work done to it. Anyways wish me luck
ohh and for my embarrassment, its the internet, comon I jerk off to porn on here I'm also pretty sure that I am not encouraging anyone. People buy these products simply because of there price and nothing else.

 

[mitsugsx95]

Why are you flaming over how I spend my money? I'm sick of everyone flaming this header but no one has the balls to buy one and slap a 50trim on it and keep a running log on how it lasts.QUOTE]


Nope, my balls are intact... and im sure everyone elses is. HAND CHECK!

If you are skipping out on a cheap manifold... why the hell would you even want to put a 50trim or equiv. on it? Correct me if im wrong, but didnt Shep run in the low 11's with a ported 2g manifold when he still was running a 20g? Did those welds blow? No... cause the manifold didnt eat ass.

Your right though. People can do whatever they want with their money... thats why ebaymotors was invented.

 

[maximumbob]

I agree it's your choice and I am glad you bought. Just because you support "real" vendor doesn't mean you always get what you expect. The only real exception I have heard to this is Forced Performance, obviously there may be others. I am glad you are willing to keep everyone informed about this thing.

 

[UMR98GSX]

There is something to be said about buying cheaper imitation products. I too have a Autochrome O2 housing bolted to a T-Pros 3" downpipe. Maybe I got lucky though because the flanges on my O2 housing sat fluch and did not need machining and the welds are great. I will say that the O2 is not 3" like they claim but it is larger than 2.5" like the Evo III O2. It bolted to my downpipe (which is 2.75" at the inlet) without overlap.

As for the downpipe I know there are other threads about them but while I'm on the subject... It is 2.75" at the inlet for about a 1/2 inch and then a true 3" OD all the way through. The flange to bolt to the catalytic converter was also straight and true, not crooked like some of the others.

Perhaps I am one of the few that has had great success with these knock off companies but I would recommend it to anyone... especially if you want to build the biggest true turboback 95% of us are ever going to need for $485

Anson

 

[44pirate]

yea ssautochrome and xspower are the same. Well, at least the prodcut is the same..

I had both of them side by side, held one in the left hand and one in the right hand, they were not the same product. SSautochrome is mandrel bent continuous pipe where as XSpower is joined pieces of pipe. XSpower has thicker flanges, thicker brace plates and it put the turbo in the stock position. Maybe at one time they both sold the same product, but there is a big difference in the two.

 

[Bailzz]

Hey I'm not cheap, just have heard 50/50 on this and want to see for my self. I mean comon I'm bolting a PTE 50 to it along with a Apex'i full turboback 3" N1 exhaust. Have all the mods to push it as well so I wont be ####y footin this thing either. Could take my SCM61 off the other talon and put on there instead, think it weighs a pound or two more. FYI If this breaks I will buy SBR or FP most likely, maybe EVOIII.

 

[44pirate]

This is what the XSPOWER looks like.
http://www.logicperformance.com/data/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_42_52&products_id=835