FIBA Motorsport product updates 1G - 2G - EVO

[92AWDHX40]

Same here

 

[bling5tatus]

This will expand into other chassis in the near future (RX7/Supra) is ones being looked into.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa..... hold on. Previous experience has led me to believe that once a shop starts working with other platforms they usually put the Mitsubishi's that started them in the "low priority" pile.

We'd like for that to not happen with you.

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa..... hold on. Previous experience has led me to believe that once a shop starts working with other platforms they usually put the Mitsubishi's that started them in the "low priority" pile.

We'd like for that to not happen with you.

Haha that normally happens i do agree. I am still a DSMer and will always be one! Currently now rely on sales to put into R&D and other products so all sales help of course.

The other chassis will help expand and allow more overall product development. DSM's will not stop or development.

Expanding should actually help more so.

Also the companies that once stopped DSM stuff are slowly starting to come back and develop things. We see smaller folks come in to do stuff and we hope they stay and if not and is worth while long term things could be looked into of course to keep products around.

We currently can only do so much with funding and so much is ready to be put in to production but as and when as springing 3+ group buys is not something easily done and hard to know whats best to do.

Our focus has been more and more OEM+ reproduction parts vs aftermarket but because they are needed. So long term hope those can pick up and help people thus help more developments later on also.

My 2G DSM dies with me so that does not speak volumes then I dont know what does

 

[Tux]

If you want to branch out into other fantastic vehicles, the Mitsubishi Starion is a nice choice

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

If you want to branch out into other fantastic vehicles, the Mitsubishi Starion is a nice choice

Have always wanted a Starion turbo to own. Love the look of them.

Actually have a product going out to a Starion/conquest owner soon as they doing something a bit different. (I can update this later once they have it in)

 

[Tux]

That’s awesome, standing by for what that is and the timing arm for 6 bolt!

 

[barza21]

Hello,

I apologize in advance for the slight change of topic, but has there been a recent update to the availability of timing belt tensioner arms and tensioner? I remember seeing some info on them some time ago, but don't ever remember reading an outcome. I visited the website and couldn't find anything either. Perhaps I missed it.

Thank you in advance,
Oscar

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Hello,

I apologize in advance for the slight change of topic, but has there been a recent update to the availability of timing belt tensioner arms and tensioner? I remember seeing some info on them some time ago, but don't ever remember reading an outcome. I visited the website and couldn't find anything either. Perhaps I missed it.

Thank you in advance,
Oscar

The tensioners themselves are something that was being looked into slowly. We had no release dates or plans for those as of yet.

The arms, however! are done from development and is one of many items waiting for a Group buy to proceed. Because most of these products are helped along via a Group buy I cannot spring many of them on at once, as people may start to get worried about doing so. (It is now a lot easier than it once was mind you) Since the full transition to online ordering, it does make life a heck of a lot easier to do and it is something I am going to consider doing soon as many products are ready to be released and allow people to take advantage sooner vs having to wait! I know waiting is never fun and I try hard to push a lot of items through. At the same time do not wish to get so backed up it becomes a problem. The tasks at hand are some of the most unique going for the DSM community in both reproduction and also keeping them alive with vital critical parts needed! And the only ones doing them also, which is why getting it all right and not backed up is key for us.

Will look into the next few items from development that could be put through and see what can be done and get the tensioner arms out in one of those

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Been working on a project not long ago. Kind of from two reasons and requests. With the help of Scott Fairbanks, who does the CTSV machining of the callipers, we had a chat, and he was willing to help send me a sample of the machined version and I got an unmachined version to mock against also.

The endgame here is many things!

• Create a direct bolt-on rotor without the need for a spacer or insert!
• Allows the full 32mm thick rotor to be used vs the 28mm offered from the cobra rotor!
• Means that anyone can buy callipers online and NOT need to have them machined making this CTS-V kit a truely bolt on kit finally!
• wheel stud holes actually suited to the M12 studs vs the cobra 15.5mm meaning alot of slip can occur!
• Center bore will be made to the 69.1 revised wheel bearing spec (set by Mitsubishi) for a direct fitment (no more internal shims or spacers required) older bearings will have the smaller bore still.
• Opens up a range of surface finishes and designs. J hook, S slotted and Race grooved.
• 2-piece bolt-on design allows for weight savings and an alloy bell. This means rotor rings can be replaced on their own.
• Allows proper cooling via the design of the bell and rotor! Not only getting a light weight rotor but those using them for the track can reduce temps a great amount!
• Makes the kit overall more cost-effective and complete full bolt on design without the need to modify anything
• correct the wheel offset by not needing spacers under the rotor (5mm difference)

Since we do brake kits and rotors it was not something we was going to get into since it was not our product to begin with and is a match of parts off the web.
After many requests, we decided to step in and see if this was helpful for a batch and could be a regular batch product if required.

The BLACK versions are the initial design and a baseline but once we got the calipers and could really work the details out we was able to make the rotor ID on the back side larger and the bell larger also meaning overall less weight from both sections.

Larger main rotor ring creates less weight overall. add that with a larger, reduced-weight bell, then you can decrease unsprung weight.
increased brake torque, meaning better braking in the end. (Of course, this does rely on the correct pad compounds also to be used also)

Plenty of cooling ports are part of the bell design and this will also aid the system making it the best possible bolt on kit going for the CTS-V calipers for the DSM to date.

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[VertexMachining]

Glad to collaborate with you on these! Excited to see these hit the market!

 

[CountryDSM]

Really exciting stuff. I was getting very close to machining these calipers.. so I'm all ears.

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

You still will need to machine the calipers. But these rotors will be a direct fit instead of using my rings to fit the mustang rotors

No that is not true.

These rotors are the correct offset to NOT need to machine the caliper.
The reason for this rotor option is many reasons and one of them is to NOT need a machined caliper. IF and only IF people want more spoke clearance then possibly the caliper can be machined and then the rotor bell can be made to suit. But thus far that is not the plan of action

This was the goal from stage one to not need a machined caliper and to be 100% bolt on with no spacers, no inserts, properly sized bore, stud holes, thickness and then off the shelf caliper all to be bolt on straight away.

 

[m_0ney_pit]

Is it known what offset wheel will be required to fit this mounting? Would this eliminate running the stock evo ET38 wheels?

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Is it known what offset wheel will be required to fit this mounting? Would this eliminate running the stock evo ET38 wheels?

Not in the original aspect no, the non machined caliper will still need the Evo based wheel type.

However some people have asked to reduce the wheel ET some so i am working on a rotor bell that is 5mm taller resulting in the rotor sitting 5mm further in! But this WILL require the calipers to be machined still to take advantage of this feature! So the rotor ring stays the same but the bell itself will have two depths.

Of course doing that means more costs as calipers still need manchine work but at least the ET can moveup and allow 5mm more clearance.

 

[m_0ney_pit]

Ok thats great! I suppose many like myself have already machined the caliper, and dont want new wheels but have interest in your rotor so they can ditch the hub centric ring the cobra rotor needs.

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Ok thats great! I suppose many like myself have already machined the caliper, and dont want new wheels but have interest in your rotor so they can ditch the hub centric ring the cobra rotor needs.

It is quite mixed really. Most have the spacers and hate them. They wish to remove that and keep the offset and more material on the caliper. Some go the otherway around. It is all dependent on the person and what they see fit for them in both cost and fitment.

Remember this avenue was the budget option vs the Evo brembo swap that once was the biggest thing going. Hwving supplied the knuckles from Europe for many years and over 100 shipped out it was the go to option but then they got expensive to find as the cars went up so did the parts or they stopped getting scrapped all together!

So with these rotors it doespush it into anlther bracket now outside of budget but it is the happy medium qnd means rotors not for this car can be removed and so will the fitment issues also!

The other option is a new casting rotor. But for a new brake rotor casting tool thats about 8k+ then a min batch is required to run it each time so it tends to not be the most effective way overall. Plus you then add weight and for larger rotors weight is the worst thing to add in. So for a bit more the 2 piece rotor is not only effective for weight, then heat and can be used in better ways

So hopefully that helps answer some of the ideas and more about the product long term.

While we would love to have our own specifi kit on cars that are designed for the chassis we can cater for those others wanting cheaper caliper options also and llay a role in that sector also.

 

[m_0ney_pit]

Does Girodisc or wilwood make any replacement rotor rings so you could just make a tophat for it?

I know what your saying, I love my evo brembo setup with the galant knuckles but problem is the new OEM parts aren't available/forever backorder or super expensive. I waited 3 months for the front evo dust sheilds from Mitsu and that was back in 2018!

Problem I ran into with the Talon was I wanted to keep it sigma platform and do the outlander big brakes but I've had bad luck with getting a good rebuilt caliper one had a super loose bleed screw and other the slider bolt was just stripped out one centric rebuild and other autozone. The parts are just old and it doesn't make sense to rebuild and recycle the castings anymore.

The CTSV is a great option because the OEM calipers are still available new last I checked.

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Does Girodisc or wilwood make any replacement rotor rings so you could just make a tophat for it?

I know what your saying, I love my evo brembo setup with the galant knuckles but problem is the new OEM parts aren't available/forever backorder or super expensive. I waited 3 months for the front evo dust sheilds from Mitsu and that was back in 2018!

Problem I ran into with the Talon was I wanted to keep it sigma platform and do the outlander big brakes but I've had bad luck with getting a good rebuilt caliper one had a super loose bleed screw and other the slider bolt was just stripped out one centric rebuild and other autozone. The parts are just old and it doesn't make sense to rebuild and recycle the castings anymore.

The CTSV is a great option because the OEM calipers are still available new last I checked.

Older cars are a problem. Since the CTS-V is a GM part it may be around for sometime until Brembo stop getting the sales and they drop it as Brembo do. But should be around as long as GM use them.

Most parts for the Evo stuff is still about and as to shields that is why we made ours and in stainless so no one needs to replace them again and come in all sizes for the Evo and CTS-C options.

Many people do the outlander system as a good upgrade but oem quality vs cheap brands is where people fall short. Cheap is good for being cheap but not the best in quality or fitment/finish so choosing the right brand is critical.

As for the rings maybe. Thing is they still need to match the pad and be machined to be effective for both weight and pad surface area. There is no point in using any old ring and making do as if doing it then the job might as well be done correctly for pad surface, weight and fitment. The CTS-V is already a miss match setup so adding more to it is not the ideal way to go!

It certainly is not our way to go at least. Quality and fitment over price

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Got a new product going out for testing and fitment check.

Once approved these will be done in a batch and will be ready to buy. That will make 2 done

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[92AWDHX40]

Yes lost mine years ago

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Bit of a good update on the CTS-V 330mm 2-piece rotors. I have the prices of the rotors and bells now and I have been asked by a few to consider allowing for the use of the machined calipers still!

WHY, you ask...

Well, using the machined calipers and the offset rotor allows 5mm of spoke clearance so this will allow many more wheel options in those hard-to-work spoke designs like the common problem RPF-01's that cause issues all the time due to the flat type spokes.
This will mean that TWO rotor bells will likely be offered up.

The bell is being done now in a test format so will be able to see what it will all look like bolted together and for the display item also.

Of course, as from the start, I have noted that 2-piece rotors are not the cheap option at all. So if these go ahead, it will be in a GB setup and likely be a small batch of them. These will not be something that would be massively stocked or if at all! And if they turn out to be popular, then maybe that can change, but having the rotors and bells machined is a costly thing when opting for quality materials to start off with plus boxes and padding etc. so all that has to be taken into consideration for the outcome of the product and what it will mean for your braking needs later on for your chassis!

BUT we try it first and push boundaries on many things we can do that many will not attempt! So let's hope these can be useful to many people.

I will be turning these samples into a display piece with the bell just because it is cool for people to visually see and look at it also.

Currently, the cost is EST to be about $900 plus shipping for the pair in the Lower 48 US.

If this seems like something you would wish to opt for then let us know and this is something we can get moving on, but if the people do not want it then they do not exist as there is no point in making a product that simply will not sell. That is why the GB will likely be a dedicated one periodically throughout the year

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[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

This one is not a product but a service that is going to be offered (along side many other offerings)

We see a lot of people doing Throttle bodies (we also can do those) but no one doing these.

Power steering pumps are old, tired and more than likely have dry rotted O rings and seals inside. The cars are not getting any younger and most still use the OEM PS pump.

This is why we will be offering PS rebuild servicing for them in DSM and Evo's.

1G DSM uses a bunch of O rings for sealing and no ball bearing for the shaft. It relies on fluid for the shaft so keeping your PS fliud clean, regularly swapped out helps keep the pump in top condition!

2G DSM also has O rings but not as many. The body seal is turtle shaped and uses a proper ball bearing which helps and does not rely on fluids to lubricate.

• Every housing gets stripped down
• Cleaned of grease and fluids
• Ultra sonic cleaned twice for a deep clean
• Glass bead blasted with caps over important areas
• Pulley also gets painted and refreshed
• Painted in either black or clear (1G rear housing will be black as OEM)
• Reassembly with a brand new seal kit (2G gets a new bearing NSK, KOYO, NTN)
• all new stainless hardware all torqued to specs

Hopefully these will be able to help many people out.

*** 1G pics to follow ***

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[Tux]

Power to ya. Every time i rebuilt a power steering pump it never ended well

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Power to ya. Every time i rebuilt a power steering pump it never ended well

Have rebuilt a few over the years inc my personal 2G as it was old even back then like 8 odd years ago. I even have that pump still kicking about once I removed it to go Epas

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

1G DSM all done and rebuilt! The 1G has SO man O rings! I can see why they revised the 2G pumps.

This is how a 1G could look. Or it can be all black.

This is the quality of finish and looks that can be achieved

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