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evoIII 16g lbs/min

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jim97gst

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I just installed an evoIII 16g on my 2G. See mod list for details. I took it for a spin and did some logging. Boost is currently set at around 15 psi. The max air flow I saw was around 26 lbs/min. Is this about normal? I'm not sure if I went completely WOT (foot to the floor) because I was paying attention to too many things at once. I have the stock smic. How much air flow could I expect to pick up from a better flowing IC?

Is there an approximate ratio for the 16g of the increase in air flow with each increase in psi of boost?

Also, my A/F ratio is horrible right now. It's in the 18-20:1 range. So I will obviously pick up a lot more power by getting that down to 11:1. But will that affect the air flow at all?

Sorry for the noob questions. I probably just need to get out there and start messing with it.
 
jim97gst said:
I just installed an evoIII 16g on my 2G. See mod list for details. I took it for a spin and did some logging. Boost is currently set at around 15 psi. The max air flow I saw was around 26 lbs/min. Is this about normal? I'm not sure if I went completely WOT (foot to the floor) because I was paying attention to too many things at once. I have the stock smic. How much air flow could I expect to pick up from a better flowing IC?

Is there an approximate ratio for the 16g of the increase in air flow with each increase in psi of boost?

Also, my A/F ratio is horrible right now. It's in the 18-20:1 range. So I will obviously pick up a lot more power by getting that down to 11:1. But will that affect the air flow at all?

Sorry for the noob questions. I probably just need to get out there and start messing with it.

26 lbs/min is way low for that turbo. If I remember right, the t25 is right around 25lbs/min and the EVOIII should be high 30's. Your air flow isn't really dependant on your intercooler, if anything, adding a fmic will drop your boost. Based on your fuel mods, you should be able to pump that boost up to around 18 psi or so.
 
I have the fuel mods. 190lph fuel pump, 650 cc injectors, and dsmlink. I plan to up the boost. I just finished the install yesterday. I just wanted to know if that airflow was normal for 15 psi.
 
jim97gst said:
I have the fuel mods. 190lph fuel pump, 650 cc injectors, and dsmlink. I plan to up the boost. I just finished the install yesterday. I just wanted to know if that airflow was normal for 15 psi.

Well considering the t25 is capable of 25lbs/min, then I'd say no, that doesn't sound normal since it's a larger turbo.
 
Did u remember to add back the percentage that you are taking out with the S-AFC?

Also if your A/F is 20:1 under WOT you are going to melt your motor...
 
I just did a log last night on my FPBigT-28. I turned the boost way down to roundhouse kick knock in the face.

Boost: 12-13psi and creeping.

By 6000RPM i was at 16* timing with 25lbs/min.

My turbo is comperable to the small 16g, so take it from there.
 
I'm guessing you're judging your airflow based on DSMLink? Have you set up the properties for AF Ratio? If you right click it on the bottom and click props. it'll let you set your injector size and deadtime, giving you a much better (actual) estimate of your AFR. Note once again this is only an estimate, and you're still better off using a wideband.

As far as boost, just keep increasing it while looking at your knock (and maybe IDCs). Set your check engine light to flash if you exceed 2 degrees of knock, and just lift off whenever that happens.
 
Well considering the t25 is capable of 25lbs/min

That might be the max it's capable of, but the best I did with it on my car is 22-23 lb/min, at least according to dsmlink.

Also if your A/F is 20:1 under WOT you are going to melt your motor

I had it reversed. I was thinking that was rich. It's not 20:1 under WOT, just under cruise. At WOT it's more like 14:1. I guess that's still too lean though. I need to get my EGT gauge installed.

I'm guessing you're judging your airflow based on DSMLink? Have you set up the properties for AF Ratio? If you right click it on the bottom and click props. it'll let you set your injector size and deadtime,

I set my global fuel adjustment and dead time in the fuel section, is that what you're talking about? If not, could you explain to me in a different way what you're talking about?

If I can't trust the dsmlink A/F ratio, and I don't have a wideband, should I just tune for knock and EGTs?
 
I think that sounds normal for the evoIII 16g @ 15 psi. I push 40 lb/min on my 60-1 at ~20 psi. :)

Tune by knock. Lean the car out or up the boost until you see knock, if you leaned it out rather then turned the boost up when you encounter knock add some fuel back. If you upped the boost and still can't tune out the knock pull timing.
 
Can you post your DSMLink log? If you're real AFR is anything over 12:1 on pump gas you're probably racking up some knock counts. Ideal on pump is between 11:1 and 12:1 depending how much boost you're trying to run.

But 26lbs/min sounds about right for the evil 16G at 15psi. You'll pick up airflow with a more efficient intercooler but I'm not going to guess how much. Not a ton but it'll keep your air temps cooler (more dense) after the intercooler which means more air can fill the same place. You'll really see results with a FMIC after you increase boost above 15psi.
 
jim97gst said:
I set my global fuel adjustment and dead time in the fuel section, is that what you're talking about? If not, could you explain to me in a different way what you're talking about?

If I can't trust the dsmlink A/F ratio, and I don't have a wideband, should I just tune for knock and EGTs?

On the bottom of the screen where it displays all the values numerically, right click "A/F Ratio" and then select "Props...". You'll get a screen where you can enter your injector flow rate, deadtime, and specific gravity of fuel (.76 by default for pump gas).
 
This log is a 2nd gear pull. Sorry about the big gap. I can't figure out why it's doing that.

As you can see, the knock count never gets above 1.

I don't get that menu to come up when I right click on A/F ratio. Maybe I need to update. I still have dsmlink version 2.

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How is your A/F Calculated, is it the one thats calculated by DSMLink by using your inj/cyle,etc or is it actually a wideband?

14 A/F Wide open is extremely lean, you basicly wanna shoot for 11:1 on pump gas, give or take a bit!
 
CorvetteBoy said:
How is your A/F Calculated, is it the one thats calculated by DSMLink by using your inj/cyle,etc or is it actually a wideband?

14 A/F Wide open is extremely lean, you basicly wanna shoot for 11:1 on pump gas, give or take a bit!

The dsmlink a/f is calculated. to the poster: to make your a/f ratio a little more accurate (if you havent dont this) while viewing a log go to the a/f ratio thing at the bottom of the datalog, right click on the a/f ratio thing and go to "props" in there you need to specify your injector size and dead time.
 
CanadianTSi said:
Did u remember to add back the percentage that you are taking out with the S-AFC?

Also if your A/F is 20:1 under WOT you are going to melt your motor...
CanadianTSI how do you go about adding the percentage back in that you are taking away from the AFC?

Example: I'm running about 25.56lbs of air-flow at redline, and I have it leaned out to about -16% on the AFC @ 7000rpm. How do I go about adding the percentage back into the 25.56lbs of air-flow? If I added 25.56 + 16% that would come up to about 41lbs and I know that isn't correct. Thanks! :)
 
Generation X said:
CanadianTSI how do you go about adding the percentage back in that you are taking away from the AFC?

Example: I'm running about 25.56lbs of air-flow at redline, and I have it leaned out to about -16% on the AFC @ 7000rpm. How do I go about adding the percentage back into the 25.56lbs of air-flow? If I added 25.56 + 16% that would come up to about 41lbs and I know that isn't correct. Thanks! :)

I'm running 20psi on the SMIC and flowing in the neighborhood of 33 lbs/min. So your airflow is normal (original poster).

Here is the equation to determine actual airflow using the SAFC-II correction factor and the airflow shown on the logger.


Peak airflow as shown on the logger / (1 - SAFC-II correction factor in decimal form) = actual airflow

You need to use the correction factor associated with the rpm that peak airflow occurred. You also need to take into account the correction factor of the surrounding rpm points. For example, if your peak airflow occurred at 6500 rpm and your 6000rpm correction factor is - 14% and your 7000rpm correction factor is -16%, then the correction factor you need to use is -15%.

In your case the calculation would be as follows:

25.56 lbs/min / (1 - 0.16) = 30.43 lbs/min actual airflow
 
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