Evo3 Dyno Day Come look !! =) =)

[RockSolidGST]

Hey guys went down to the dyno today and made some pretty nice numbers i think.

All mods are in prof

298whp/268ftlbs Run was made a 20psi ( With SAE on i made 291whp/262ftlbs , Thanks beatgsx )
No Cams
Stock stupid Intake Snorkle

Any Suggestions For more power , I will take
Kept AFR around 11-11.3 Threw Out the pull and let it go down curv down to 10.0 After 6k to keep things safe since its a street car and im on stock cams


by mistake Printed out a sheet of the Speedo Rather then RPM
You guys can still get an idea of the graph though ( NO SMOOTHING )

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[CanadianTSi]

No need to let it go so rich after 6k. Your most likely to knock right around peak torque, you can go leaner after that.

More boost would always be good if you can get away with it.

 

[RockSolidGST]

Well i shift out around 6.2 Due to my stock cams , they start to choke. But i will take some fuel out up top im going to post some loggs tomorrow of my runs , mabye with the graph and the logs we can decied what we want to do.

 

[daren_p]

Not bad numbers, congrats but even with the stock cams 6200 seems kinda low to me. When I had stock cams 1st & second I'd pull to 7500 & 3rd I'd usually shift at 7000 or just before. Like canadiantsi, lean out that air/fuel ratio in the top end. Lots of people think the higher rpms is where you need to run rich, which isn't true, like he said it is most likely to knock at peak cylinder pressure ~5000 rpms. Keep the air/fuel ratio you were running all the way to redline & if your still knock free add some timing from ~6500 & up to get the most out of it & help the top end pull. Other then that, turn up the boost, run meth injection if you want to get abit more boost on pump & cams should probably be next on your list.

 

[RockSolidGST]

Cams(thinking 264/272?) , Port Polish head and combustion Chambers(FREEBIE) , 1g TB , and a 4inch Intake are next on the list for over the winter. Then i think im done , unless i decied to do meth

 

[Street Surgeon]

Eh, look at FFWD's DKS1 combo man, for the price it's tough to beat! Though I have heard the Brian Crowers are cheap as hell too. As for shifting at 6200, when I had my 2G I'd shift right about 7k and then it'd fall back into the peak operating range. You have a larger turbo so shifting a little higher will probably let you squeeze a lil' more out of her, but no need for any "Gran Turismo" redline shifting in your case.

Cheers.

 

[RockSolidGST]

Yeah iv been thinking about the DKS2's , Over the 1's in my case , But i still have some more research to do , I dont think i will be taking this car much further then cams since i am FWD. But , i can also never say never.


But for no cams and such i think i made some good power on just 20psi on pump

 

[DSMunknown]

But for no cams and such i think i made some good power on just 20psi on pump

Rock solid numbers on OEM camshafts.


As everyone has mentioned before, upgrade your cams.

http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244111post#16






EDIT: Holy crap! I didn't even notice your profile name when I said that! Wierd...

 

[JOEY A]

Im running 272s and love them, Nice numbers!

 

[MyBeatGSX]

I don't want to burst your bubble, but you're in Boston and it's winter. Try applying a normal SAE correction factor to that chart and then see what you made.

Hell, even my pile of crap puts down over 300 uncorrected awhp on a cold day...

 

[DSMunknown]

I don't want to burst your bubble, but you're in Boston and it's winter. Try applying a normal SAE correction factor to that chart and then see what you made.

Hell, even my pile of crap puts down over 300 uncorrected awhp on a cold day...

Um, I know it's not exactly 100*F out, but yesterday wasn't exactly "cold."

According to weather.com, the high in Boston was 62* and the low was 51*. The normal weather condition for this time of year (that being the middle of November!) is having an average high of 52* and an average low of 39*.

 

[RockSolidGST]

Also if you LOOK at the Graph , The Pull was done inside , Where it was 69 Degree's So.... its not "COLD" and my bubble will never be bursted unless someone with the same setup as me is making 350whp Then id be pretty upset


EDIT , i found Out why he is so angry!! ### i popped his bubble!

YOU LIE! Everyone told me its good for 350-400awhp all - day - long.


To the OP, if want to know what an Evo III does in the real world, I just got back from the dyno, check out my mods list.

25psi
93 octane + NOS octane booster
perfect timing curve peaking at 20* at redline
12.0 afr, dropping to 11.5 by redline

=

A whopping 282awhp and 270lb/ft. Do yourself a favor and get a real turbo.

I put more down then him , at a lower octane , less psi , and a less aggresive tune , Staying around 11.3 AFR , and dropping to 10 by redline , AND.... I only had 17 Degree's of timing advance ....

 

[MyBeatGSX]

That's because the rest of us in the normal world use SAE correction on our dyno charts. My 282hp run was somewhere around 310hp uncorrected. It also involves more than ambient temperture. Baro pressure, humidty, etc, all that stuff is included. Its impossible to say what it would be with just the average high and low for the day.


What dyno run isn't done inside? They are typically kept indoors in order to prevent damaged due to inclimate weather, it's just common sense...

Prove me wrong. See if your runs were saved in the shop's database, find out what the correction is, and apply it.

 

[Street Surgeon]

That is true, uncorrected are "feel good" numbers, and dynojet numbers are "feel good" to start with

 

[RockSolidGST]

I know all of this , my beat GSX also has Bashed the EvoIII in many other forums , He is just a angry kid in my opinion. He wants a 60-1 To put down 350whp , So its efficent!

And your points , Congrats you put down 10 more whp then me with +5 boost +3 Timing , a higher octane , and a more aggresive tune

I could of hit well over 300 if i wanted to tune it more aggresivly toward the 12.0 AFR range.


Me > You

( i really dont care, you just came in here , all "TIME TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE" , IM the community asshole and i love myself attitude. If you dont have anything postive to say , Dont say it. Go harrass somebody else to make you feel better about urself )

 

[MyBeatGSX]

I bet your dad can beat up my dad too. Next time you dyno it, use the correction and input the humidity as 900%, I bet that will make you feel even better about yourself. It won't make your car any faster, but it will give you a piece of paper that claims it is.

We all know my car is messed up. But even if you want to compare uncorrected (and you obviously do), I put down 13ish ALL WHEEL more than you put down FRONT WHEEL and I did it on a non-feel good twin high mass awd dynojet.

$100 says those are highly optomistic, feel good numbers. Let's see if your trap speeds back them up.

And I love how everyone assumes that just because you were able to hit 290, that you're going to be able to hit "well over" 300 on a more aggresive tune. That just isn't the case when working with this turbo, stock cams, and even a stock intake pipe. You'd be amazed at how quickly you run into a restriction when you think you'll just up the boost and run leaner to make "well over" any imaginary number. You soon find out that more and more boost starts to yield less and less flow. Then you find out that you thought you could run a more aggresive AFR, but in reality, anything leaner creates knock.

Be careful when you make broad assumptions about what you think you could or should be able to do. You haven't done it until you've done it. Aim low and achieve low, it will leave you lots of room to exaggerate what you should be able to do.

 

[DSMunknown]

Um, guys, no personal attacks or flame wars. Just be careful about what you say.


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/faq.php?faq=faq_rules#faq_attacks

 

[RockSolidGST]

MyBeatGSX , I did aim low. I acctully thought my car was going to put down in the 260-270
Range , And inform me what humity has to do with anything because im curious. I dont know EVERYTHING like you. Im still new to this stuff. My point is , if you had a thread posting ## first dyno , and you made 300whp , id say congrats and gl in reaching the 350 mark , Not find reasons to tell you that you really didn't make that much power , or that you never would.

Also keep in mind i did not simply Slap a evoIII turbo on my car. Like some people do , and expect high numbers. I tryed to do things the right way , and at first I thought it acctully payed off doing things the long hard way.

But according to you im only putting down 120.021whp Corrected.



Also on another note , did you ever sell ## EvoIII and get that "big" turbo you always wanted? And if so howd you make out

 

[LRS95TSI]

My point is , if you had a thread posting ## first dyno , and you made 300whp , id say congrats and gl in reaching the 350 mark , Not find reasons to tell you that you really didn't make that much power , or that you never would.

i agree with you on this one...
the the first time dyno guy i woould say congrats and give a few pointers on improvements or ask you what a new dyno person could do so their first attempt is better for newbs...

instead he came in here on a high horse running his mouth about how your dyno numbers suck and bashed your experience...he is just a butthurt guy in general , look at the majority of his posts...

yes he has a point about correction but went about it all the wrong way...

"BAD FORM JACK, BAD FORM"
as quoted from "hook" haha

 

[MyBeatGSX]

I'm not here to make people happy or feel good about themselves.

You asked for suggestions and I gave you a suggestion. Those numbers aren't even comparable to anything else anyone is making without applyinig a correction factor. Getting them back into reality is the first step to finding out where you're really at, then you can take it from there. Your car probably did put down in the 265-275 range, 280ish at the most. If you came on here and said you put down 350hp, but everyone realized it was because the dyno was calibrated wrong, wouldn't you want to get that fixed or are you happy with your inaccurately inflated number?

Humidity effects power, just like every other little aspect of the weather.

LRS95TSI, turns out that the buttsore wacko was right about the Evo and now everyone has silently jumped on my bandwagon. Have you checked the "350hp daily driver" thread? 95% of the people posting are now saying exactly what I said. In the real world, the Evo is a 250-300hp turbo. Its funny how the entire board did a 180* since bashing me for wanting a bigger turbo for 350hp.

Yes the Evo 3 is sold for $350. I'm waiting on a custom T3 manifold and I have already purchased a band new 57 trim from my friend $400. *in vin deisel voice* Not a bad way to spend $50.

Don't sweat it guys. As long as there are retards here, I'll be here so you can blame all the problems of the world on me and you can have someone to call names that won't go crying to a mod.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232935

Hey Bristol Dyno... that looks familiar...

Good numbers, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Where oh where is my front mount??

Your car is the black 1G with the 3G rims right? I could be thinking of someone else... Nice job at the track too if that was you.

Yea I don't congratulate anyone that makes more than me.

I just made 298 Whp , with NO cams =)
And the stock intake Snorkle =)

Um, no you didn't. Hence why I'm callling you out here. Notice, Claw actually used SAE correction AND the smoothing was at 5 to prevent any power spikes.

Make your chart less stretched out and more square, and you see how spikey the curve is. You're guaranteed to lose power with higher smoothing.

If you really want to play dyno chart games, I'll go back and find mine and I bet you I can manipulate it to read over 320awhp just by playing with the smoothing and using another style correction.

 

[RockSolidGST]

Please Explain this Correction "factor" to me.

And with smoothing on 5 , i made 295whp , Wich i will post for you.

Did you ever once consider , Possibly i built the car well , did everything right , and took no shortcuts. Or is that just unthinkable for you. Mabye i did put down that much power. I am interested to find out what it put down with this "correction on" Im sure it was still respectable , Wich is what you should of said. Not come accross with the "Your car sucks attitude"

how does humity affect the power , That day it was raining , so it was.... Pretty humid. More humid it is the less power youll make? in that case , awsome , ### it was raining.

Even the guy that was doing the tune that has seen a decent amount of cars , said my car was making unexpectely high power. Mabye its just a freak , I will find out this "corrected numbers" for you though so this silly argument can end. and i know what im "really putting down" As somebody else said man , You just go about it the wrong way.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Oh sh!t yo! I made another 10hp and 7lb/ft just by moving the smoothing slider! And that was with my 277hp run that was done on a 95% humity 90* day. I can only imagine what I could make if I had the file for my 282hp run that was done on a dry 50* day. And wow, I picked up 20hp for my friends Civic, just by losing the correction! This is awsome. I'm going to start charging people for me to make their cars more powerful.

The correction factor is what puts your power numbers back in reality. Of course your car makes more power in the winter than it does in the summer, but that doesn't mean your setup or tune is better. The correction factor takes out the weather variable so you can compare one day's run to another day's run with some meaningful accuracy.

I have no problem with you living in fantasy inflated power land, that's your problem not mine. But don't go around the board bragging that you made 300hp on stock cams and a stock intake, when in reality you probably made more like 270-280hp.

 

[RockSolidGST]

k , still going to Go and USE SAE Correction. When i go back there. The Guy at the dyno said it only changed it around 5hp , But id like to see it , If it did change 5hp , That means i put don 289whp With Correction and Smoothing to 5 , But in all reality i dont really care about ## opinion. And this is turning into a Flame war between , So just dont come post in my thread again. Unless you have any worthwhile information to help me attain my goals.



Everyone Else , thanks for the support ill post again When i do more upgrades.


EDIT : and the fact that i pulled on a SRT8(jeep , that also got the jump) , With 425hp On the highway last night , Proves to my my cars moving right along.

Called my Guy , With SAE on i made 291whp/262ftlbs , So get off my ass. Ill post the damn graph for you when i get it.
And the dyno i ran on is considered a "Heartbreaker", It reads very Low Its even stated in the disclosure. ""If your coming from another dyno, please dont be shocked if your Number are lower than you expected.""

 

[project_racer98]

You two need to go on pinks and settle this crap.