EVO III 16G or Big T28 for my setup?

[Prodigyman]

Here is some background info on my mods from previous post




Here is the list of mods I will be getting very soon from slowboy racing for my Stock 99 GSX. What I am wondering if anything I am missing to HAVE these mods installed. Or have car running properly. You get the point… Most of things my buddy and me will install and final check and tuning will be done by at the pro shop.

Basically what I want from these mods
To reach 275 WHP
Have it running stably and with no problems
Lower it 1.5"
+Cosmetic mods, which are not important right now...

Any suggestions will be appreciated…


95-99 AWD Tokico Illuminas (adjustable) shocks front
95-99 AWD Tokico Illuminas (adjustable) shocks_rear
EVO III Turbo
FMIC
Turbo XS Blow off valve H-RFL
Tial 38 MM with stainless flanges (inlet and outlet)
Super AVC-R
Walbro 190
550 cc. ball-style fuel injectors
ACT-2100 Clutch KIt (MB1-HDSS)
All 90-99 Mitsu. Eclipse and Eagle Talons FWD and AWD Fidanza Flywheels
2g K and N FIPK
4" Intake Pipe without BOV tube
SBR Manifold w/ opened 7cm gasket, fully ported
APEXi N1 exhaust
No Name HF Cat Conv, 3inch.
95-99(2g) VRS AWD & FWD downpipe with O2 eliminator2.5" Downpipe stainless steel


Link: http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147521



As I said before my goal is 275 WHP. Do you guys think that Big T28 Turbo will do just fine for that purpose? I know it spools up much faster and that’s what I love about it.

Thx for your responds

 

[Stoner]

You are going to need the MAFT and use a GM mas air sensor to run the RFL BOV. You cant just vent the bov without using a blow thru setup. The t-28 and your mods properly tuned should reach well over 275 whp. I am running basically the same setup as you except I am using a big 16g and a dsm link. The car hasnt really been tuned aggresively yet and the dsm link estimated 280 awhp in 3rd gear at 6600 rpm's. I also am still on the stock smic and about 17-18psi of boost.

Good luck

 

[kraka]

Wow, I wish you would re-think a few of these things. To start:

-You do not need the turbo xs bov...I sure hope you're not ordering it just because the ad says its loud and makes a big swshhhhhhh sound..NOPE, instead I would go for the Greddy Type S or a 1G BOV.

- You need an intercooler pipe to attach it to
- Do not get the AVC-R boost controller. A big waste of money if your just going for a 275 goal. Stick with a much simpler MBC instead such as a hallman.
- You need some kind of tuning device for all of the extra fuel..go for the AFC/pocketlogger setup
- Speaking of extra fuel, I would stick to a walbro 190 lph pump so you don't have to hassle with a new FPR
- Definitely do not need a giant Tial external WG with a 16G so I would skip that too.

-Do a little more research such as checking out the DSMTuners Tuning Guide. Good luck

 

[Prodigyman]

I am not asking to analyze my mods guys. I know what I am getting, this is old list and I know I am not getting that BOV without DSM Link, actually thinking of getting HKS one. And no I am not getting external waste gate ether. As for the Boost controller... I am thinking for Greedy Spec II or something like that. It’s a good price and I heard good things about it. So you think big T28 will do just fine for this setup and Exhaust Manifold or should I just port my Stock one? I am kina cutting this out of my list putting new things on and rethinking everything because I am not going higher then 275 as its my daily driver and I need it to last me with good fuel economy... But still sometimes turn up the boost without any future compications while i race or on a track....

PS: with T28 Should I go with 3” or 2.5” N1 Exhaust system?

 

[CanadianTSi]

I think you will be happier with an Evo 3 16g, also go with a 3 inch exhaust and just port your stock exhaust manifold.

 

[Stoner]

I think you will be happier with an Evo 3 16g, also go with a 3 inch exhaust and just port your stock exhaust manifold.

I will second that

 

[Prodigyman]

I think you will be happier with an Evo 3 16g, also go with a 3 inch exhaust and just port your stock exhaust manifold.

I understand but why? T28 has better spool times though. I know EvoIII is a solid turbo but I want to know all my options as I bought most of the stuff except the turbo exhaust and the Exhaust manifold...

I am also leaning towards just getting DSM Link... I like the way it works and managed now I have a use for my LAPTOP outside school and home

 

[Stoner]

I understand but why? T28 has better spool times though. I know EvoIII is a solid turbo but I want to know all my options as I bought most of the stuff except the turbo exhaust and the Exhaust manifold...

I am also leaning towards just getting DSM Link... I like the way it works and managed now I have a use for my LAPTOP outside school and home

Spoolup time on the evo is not much slower. I doubt you will even notice a difference. Also it pulls a lot harder and has more room to grow down the road. And everyone here will tell you that you will want more down the road.

I guess it would depend more on weather you are going to drag race or road race. Road race = T28, Drag = eb16g.

Also the dsm link would be a great choice, I love mine and I have not heard one bad thing about it...

 

[iboostdoyou]

He said he wants a streetable 275 hp for his daily driver and he seems pretty sure that he wants to stay around that hp and not increase too much over that. I dont see how everyone thinks that the 16g is such a better turbo than the t28 since (from what i believe) the t28 runs the exact same internals as the 16g but in the t25 style housing. If the internals are the same only the housing should make the difference and probably wont make incredible amounts of difference. If you want a streetable car that your not gonna bring to the track every day, I would say stick with the t28, especially if you plan on installing these parts yourself b/c of installation ease. good luck

 

[SlowboyCSE]

I'm staying out of the arguement because we all know which turbo i like.

Get DSMlink. At first you'll be a little lost, but once you get to understand it, meet some guys online who really know how to tune with it, and you'll be extremly happy. It's not a stand alone, but neither is the price in comparison and it can do about 85% of what a stand alone can do.

Cragger

 

[Stoner]

I am not going to argue anymore but just say that I tossed these two turbos around for a while before making my purchase. I talked with a lot of guy and read a lot about each one of them. I ended up with the eb16g and I am glad I went with it. The install went well, and it pulls like a s.o.b. I got mine from slowboy, ported and a 34mm wastegate flapper.

Thanks,
Cragger

 

[VRMAN]

I am not asking to analyze my mods guys. I know what I am getting, this is old list and I know I am not getting that BOV without DSM Link, actually thinking of getting HKS one. And no I am not getting external waste gate ether. As for the Boost controller... I am thinking for Greedy Spec II or something like that. It’s a good price and I heard good things about it. So you think big T28 will do just fine for this setup and Exhaust Manifold or should I just port my Stock one? I am kina cutting this out of my list putting new things on and rethinking everything because I am not going higher then 275 as its my daily driver and I need it to last me with good fuel economy... But still sometimes turn up the boost without any future compications while i race or on a track....

PS: with T28 Should I go with 3” or 2.5” N1 Exhaust system?

Then WTF are you asking? The guy spent time to give you some educated suggestions but you aren't open to them? Then get what you want and don't waste our time with questions you don't want to hear the answers to. The AVCR is a complete waste of money for your application, it is an overly-unuser friendly piece and not designed for the average non-tuner DSMer which you seem to be. You would be better off with a Profec B of Blitz DSBC.

The RFL BOV is fine, you can run it without a blowthru setup, you'll just be rich when shifting. A rerouted TypeS is a better option yes but I have the feeling you like the RFL sound which is fine, so do I and I run it.

Then you say "and no Im not getting an external wastegate". Then what exactly is the "Tial 38mm" you listed in your projected mods list?

Learn more about your car and mods, you have a good base there. I would recommend the BigT28 to meet your criteria and the install is no hassle. Go with a 3" exhaust, no need for a 2.5" which is just a waste.

 

[GPTourer]

I've never used the T-28, but if it spools anything like a T-25 then it would probably be crazy on an AWD for stoplight encounters or autocrossing. The Evo3 would still be the better all around choice and would allow for future expansion. Get 660's though if you go Evo3.

 

[djsven]

Hi,

I had a Big T28, liked it but not realy trilled about it. BTW you will not be able to put a 4" intake pipe onto the big T28. I tried that. You need a big reducer. Just go with something like injen or dejon tools intake pipes for 2.5" diameter.
I wouldn't recommend the tokico suspension either, go with eibach springs and koni or skunk2 shocks. Or if you have the money, go with tein coil overs.

Sven

 

[heavyD]

I think you will be happier with an Evo 3 16g, also go with a 3 inch exhaust and just port your stock exhaust manifold.

I third that. I had an FPT28 and was disappointed.

 

[skinnypimp]

i had both on my 98 gst, get the e316g, cheaper and alot better

 

[Stoner]

Hmmmm, there seems to be a pattern :laugh:

 

[big green]

I say go for the Big 28, I really like mine allot, spools up just as fast as the T-25 and can actually hold the power. Its a blast with awd

 

[1fast97gsx]

but the evo316g will make more power so why even mess with a t28? All you people comparing spool up between a t28 and a 16g are ridiculous ... do you have ANY idea what REAL turbo lag is? 200-300 rpms on those little turbos isn't shit...

 

[MattnGsx]

I have a t-28 killer, compared alot to the fp big28 (though it is not the same turbo). Though with my setup I put down 263 whp @ 20psi w/ 650cc injectors. Converted to fwd for dyno. Ran rich too. My only fuel control is my Maft Translator which is not a good method of tunning. Though if i ever install DSMlink, i can probably easly tune it up in the 300's. Oh yeah and thats on the stock sidemount too. If I added a FMIC, i probably could get past 275 without tunning still.

 

[big green]

but the evo316g will make more power so why even mess with a t28? All you people comparing spool up between a t28 and a 16g are ridiculous ... do you have ANY idea what REAL turbo lag is? 200-300 rpms on those little turbos isn't shit...

but it's not like the evoIII16g pulls that much more then a big28 anyways. There is not that big of a diffrence between these two turbos

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9593&highlight=big28+flow+rates

 

[iboostdoyou]

from that site it shows the 16g and t28 at 34 lb/min flow... and the big16g and the t28 killer both at 36 lb/min. If the flows are reported the same, spool up time isnt that different, and from what he says

I am not going higher then 275 as its my daily driver and I need it to last me with good fuel economy

it is pretty clear to me that he doesnt want to max out his 16g/t28 so stop bringing up the fact that the 16g will allow you to go higher than his goals...i think the only reason why some people talk up each turbo is what they have on their car. I see more problems with the rest of his mod list than I do with which turbo he should get

 

[Jeff_Jeske]

If you are going for less than 300HP I would go with a FP BIG 28. Its cheap and on sale right now....furthermore you wont need any kind of install kit. With the money you save you can get a few more supporting mods.

Providing you have an upgraded intercooler and you can tune you will easily be able to get the numbers you are looking for. The difference between the two is next to non except that the 28 will bolt right up and look stock so you also get sleeper status.

 

[heavyD]

I have a t-28 killer, compared alot to the fp big28 (though it is not the same turbo). Though with my setup I put down 263 whp @ 20psi w/ 650cc injectors. Converted to fwd for dyno. Ran rich too. My only fuel control is my Maft Translator which is not a good method of tunning. Though if i ever install DSMlink, i can probably easly tune it up in the 300's. Oh yeah and thats on the stock sidemount too. If I added a FMIC, i probably could get past 275 without tunning still.

20 psi on the stock sidemount?

 

[MattnGsx]

from that site it shows the 16g and t28 at 34 lb/min flow... and the big16g and the t28 killer both at 36 lb/min. If the flows are reported the same, i think the only reason why some people talk up each turbo is what they have on their car. I see more problems with the rest of his mod list than I do which turbo he wants

I agree . Slapping a turbo on isn't just going to give you, your magic number.

Damn a t-28, or a big 16 can put him to his goal of 275whp so what the big deal between 50 cfms?