Evo 3 DSM Intake Manifold yay or nay!??

[Boosted98gsx]

Honestly, you'd be better off spending the money on a SMIM.

 

[sd_ff22]

Honestly, you'd be better off spending the money on a SMIM.

do you have direct experience with an evo3 intake manifold? they go for a lot cheaper than, and look a lot more stock than smims do.

I'd rather spend less and look more stock for close to the same benefits.

 

[sd_ff22]

Sorry,
messed up work computer...

 

[sd_ff22]

sorry.
double post

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

Honestly, you'd be better off spending the money on a SMIM.

yay for realizing that some people get their evo3s for 40 bucks, at a tenth of the price, ill take 80% of the benefit.

 

[daren_p]

Honestly, you'd be better off spending the money on a SMIM.

Do you have any personal experience with the evoIII intake mani, if not that is a pretty useless statement. There are several reason's why people would choose a evoIII mani vs the SMIM. First & what was most important to me is the looks, it looks like a stock intake mani & with cops giving out useless tickets for everything they can spot thats not stock around here, a SMIM is not worth the hassle for me to run. Have you seen how the runners compare? Sure the evoIII doesn't have runners as short as a SMIM but I would say they are atleast halfway between the stockers & a SMIM. So sure it won't give you 100% of the performance of a real SMIM but when you also take into consideration I was able to pick mine up for $50, I'm pretty sure I'll see atleast a 11% gain, which is the $ to performance gain, when comapred to even a cheeper SMIM on the market (though, even though I picked mine up for cheep, I still would have paid a good amount more)

When I get mine installed I will have some before & after Dsmlink logs for some direct comparison vs a 2g intake mani with no other changes.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Do you have any personal experience with the evoIII intake mani, if not that is a pretty useless statement. There are several reason's why people would choose a evoIII mani vs the SMIM. First & what was most important to me is the looks, it looks like a stock intake mani & with cops giving out useless tickets for everything they can spot thats not stock around here, a SMIM is not worth the hassle for me to run. Have you seen how the runners compare? Sure the evoIII doesn't have runners as short as a SMIM but I would say they are atleast halfway between the stockers & a SMIM. So sure it won't give you 100% of the performance of a real SMIM but when you also take into consideration I was able to pick mine up for $50, I'm pretty sure I'll see atleast a 11% gain, which is the $ to performance gain, when comapred to even a cheeper SMIM on the market (though, even though I picked mine up for cheep, I still would have paid a good amount more)

When I get mine installed I will have some before & after Dsmlink logs for some direct comparison vs a 2g intake mani with no other changes.

Well considering you have no personal experience with one either, makes this statement pretty much null, doesn't it?

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Well considering you have no personal experience with one either, makes this statement pretty much null, doesn't it?

Not really. What's he's saying that sometimes an SMIM isn't the top choice of everyone looking to step up their VE. There isn't anything unjustifiable in his post, so there is no redundancy. Fact of the matter is, you shouldn't say "you're better off" without personally used or analyzed the manifold versus an SMIM. Collectively, data vs. per dollar value is the question.

I.E., for spending $50, and dsmlink logs show a 2 lb/min gain; Would you say it's worth it? Or is buying a $650 magnus manifold for 4 lb/min worth it? Or would if it didn't increase airflow, but it helped keep flow from dipping past a certain RPM versus a stock IM on stock cams, etc.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

$50 for 2 lbs/min over stock? You can MAKE air flow through ANYTHING. It's the removal of restriction on that air that makes torque. I would rather spend the $500 on something knowing that I won't have to spend more money later on upgrading it. I would rather know the piece on my car will flow what I want when I want, and I am only limited by my unwillingness to turn a knob to turn up the boost, not by the pieces of metal attatched to my engine.

If you guys want to try to push against a wall, go ahead.

 

[sd_ff22]

at a tenth of the price, ill take 80% of the benefit.

+1


Evo3 IM for me.

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

$50 for 2 lbs/min over stock? You can MAKE air flow through ANYTHING. It's the removal of restriction on that air that makes torque. I would rather spend the $500 on something knowing that I won't have to spend more money later on upgrading it. I would rather know the piece on my car will flow what I want when I want, and I am only limited by my unwillingness to turn a knob to turn up the boost, not by the pieces of metal attatched to my engine.

If you guys want to try to push against a wall, go ahead.

......................Wow............just wow. Sorry I like that my manifold wont crack. Ask anybody that knows me, I had a magnus sitting in my apt forever, I decided to go evo3 knowing that nothing will crack, deform, no fitting issues with battery and intercooler piping or changing anything AND increasing airflow for the price of a cheap manual boost controller.

Its a law of diminishing gains, yes the magnus will probably give you another few hp over an evo 3 which already gave you a few hp over stock, but 40 bucks, and then stepping up to almost 600 bucks....Yes, if thats worth it, the magnus has been documented to give very good gains, but is it worth it for somebody that would rather spend 5-600 dollars on other performance goodies that will give you more bang for the buck?

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Did I say you had to get a Magnus? No. There are FAR BETTER designs out there than a Magnus.

 

[fastfour]

i just got mine! I need the coil pack bracket though, I just rigged up my 2g bracket to fit and it works but that pic looks much cleaner.

Bolted right up , no probs.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Did I say you had to get a Magnus? No. There are FAR BETTER designs out there than a Magnus.

I think you're being rather close-minded, no? I have a JMF SMIM, so yes, I believe in SMIM's and their worth, but the point being argued here is the performance of this partifcular manifold and if it's worth it for the dollar amount. I just used 2 lb/min as an example, if there is more airflow and the cost is cheaper, than why not do it? Not everyone needs an SMIM.

 

[daren_p]

Well considering you have no personal experience with one either, makes this statement pretty much null, doesn't it?

No, not all all. Did I once mention that one was better then the other or state "hard" data, when I don't have personal experience with either? No I didn't. I was simply stating some of the reasons why someone may choose the evoIII vs a SMIM. Yes there are other reasons as well, & yes of course there are reasons why someone would choose a SMIM over the evoIII mani. The same mani isn't the best route for everybody. On the other hand, you were directly suggesting the evoIII mani is not worth the upgarde, while to our knowledge you have no personal experience with it, thats the difference.

As for your next post, I'm not sure I follow the gist of it? Are you saying in your example of $50 for 2 lb/min is a bad deal? If so I would have to disagree, people spend much more on other components such as cams etc., that only net them 2 lb/min (obviously depends on the grind), so I would say $50 for 2 lb/min is a good deal.

"You can make airflow though anything", your exactly right but what is this arguing? Finally how do you know what the limits of the evoIII intake mani are? You reference you don't want it to be your limiting factor (which is why you need a SMIM) but if you don't have first hand experience, how do you know when this is an issue for people? Its like me saying the evoIII mani is better then the SMIM your running as I know guys making more power then you. As we all know this statement is completely rediculous & useless as were not compairing apples to apples. Either way this thread is supposed to be about the benefits of the evoIII mani vs the stocker & not how it compares to a SMIM, so lets try to get it back on topic

 

[oldman]

Either way this thread is supposed to be about the benefits of the evoIII mani vs the stocker & not how it compares to a SMIM,

Anything is better than a 2G stocker.

so lets try to get it back on topic

Exactly.

 

[gsxeclipse97]

Well there is a thread in the newbe forum that has lots of information on the evoIII intake manifold and compares it to the stock 2g. We already know that it has shorter runners than the stock which will aid in the topend power, also since it has a 60mm tb as appose to the 52mm that comes on the stock 2g that there by it self is a reason to get it. If i hadn't done a 1g head swap i would pick one up myself but my cyclone does everything i need it to.

 

[DSMunknown]

DSM Performance Forums - DSMtuners.com

Before I forget, nevermind this link I gave earlier in the quote above. I posted inaccurate measurements. The port measurements are actually about 55.5mm x 28mm. The plenum throat measures at about 60.5mm.