eclipse with 50 trim

[boostd-spyder96]

im still debating what to buy...i found a 2g gst with a 50 trim or should i just get a stock 3000gt vr4???which would be fast??the vr4 is stock and heres a list of what the 2g has done to it..

slowboys 50 trim
1g bov
mbc
injen intake tube
SBR ported exh manifold 264 cams
880cc PTE injectors
190lph fuel pump
HKS adjustable Cam gears
Exedy stage 3 clutch rated at 400ftlbs of tourqe
Front Mount Intercooler
3" turbo back exhaust
Apexi N1 downpipe
dsmlink
18" bronze DZ rims
apex springs
and a few other odds n ends..i can get the 2g for 5500..any advise?

 

[boostd-spyder96]

oh ya and its also got 264 cams.

 

[dsmusmc]

Thats a good deal. Only thing id look into would be a 255 pump instead of the 190. Hows the body on it? Why even take a second look at the 3000gt? They are good but not that good. a dsm will run them under almost any day.

 

[RayBan GST]

DSM FOR LIFE go for the ECLIPSE DONT THINK TWICE

 

[white90gsx]

DSM 3000gt

 

[boostd-spyder96]

Thats a good deal. Only thing id look into would be a 255 pump instead of the 190. Hows the body on it? Why even take a second look at the 3000gt? They are good but not that good. a dsm will run them under almost any day.

the body seems to be in real good condition its from florida to, so no rust..the only thing im concerned about would be the spool up time..do 50 trims take a while??im use to having 16g's..

 

[JusMX141]

A 50 trim would be comparable to a TD06 20G in terms of lag.

The lag would be appreciated on a FWD, in my opinion. Once you get into the meat of the power, the bigger turbo and the cams will outpull a 16G all the way to redline.

 

[dsmusmc]

the body seems to be in real good condition its from florida to, so no rust..the only thing im concerned about would be the spool up time..do 50 trims take a while??im use to having 16g's..

I had almost the same setup as you on my gsx and got 22psi by 3800 on a bullseye t04b 50 trim.

 

[LandoAWD]

3000s are nice, but a pain to work on. The active-aero models look sexy as well. That said, you asked this question on a DSM site, perhaps your mind is already made up.

 

[dsmusmc]

3000s are nice, but a pain to work on. The active-aero models look sexy as well. That said, you asked this question on a DSM site, perhaps your mind is already made up.

I agree and your thinking to much about it so stop thinking and go with the dsm. . Plus the active-aero's and all wheel streering always mess up and arnt worth the stress imo. Your already set up with all the mods now all you have to do is keep a good tune and dont break it. .

 

[crimsondragon]

I'd go for the VR4. Twin turbo DOHC V6 6g72, AWD, AWS and depending on the year, it might even have a 6 speed tranny. Though heavy, I think it's a no brainer.

 

[JusMX141]

The OP lives in TN, where relatively mild winters exist. I see no use for a VR4 with AWD, all-wheel steering, higher insurance, and expensive (and rather rare) replacement parts, among other things.

The GST is a good platform, and is already partially built. Parts are readily available, the insurance would be cheaper....there are tons of reasons I think the GST would be the "no brainer".

 

[badabing33a]

yea wow take DSM. whats there to think about with those mods?

 

[crimsondragon]

The OP lives in TN, where relatively mild winters exist. I see no use for a VR4 with AWD, all-wheel steering, higher insurance, and expensive (and rather rare) replacement parts, among other things.

The GST is a good platform, and is already partially built. Parts are readily available, the insurance would be cheaper....there are tons of reasons I think the GST would be the "no brainer".

Well neither of us knows what the OP plans for the car. It could be track, autocross, road racing, whatever. And if people were to get AWD and AWS because of weather, tell that to the GVR4 owners who live in Florida then.

Second, because the GST is partially built, the OP will be getting his hands into a car which he has no idea on what exactly was done to it. Sure it has a list of stuff done to it. But how true does it hold to the list? Is there a gurantee that there are no "surprises" awaiting him? Why do you think people rave when they find stock cars? Why do you think they call stock cars "unmolested?" Personally if I got it, I would want a complete teardown of the car and see if there are any potential problems that lie in hiding. For a complete noob, a partially modified car is not something to be messing with without extensive coverage about it. I'm not saying the OP is one but I'm not going to assume he's a wiseman either.

Again, I stand by the 3kgt VR4 as the no brainer.

 

[jerseydiver84]

thats a real good deal on the gst id definately go that route. good find.

 

[Killa_dsm]

Thats a good deal. Only thing id look into would be a 255 pump instead of the 190. Hows the body on it? Why even take a second look at the 3000gt? They are good but not that good. a dsm will run them under almost any day.

In most peoples situations the 190 will be fine, half the people that go with 255's dont even outflow the 190's. So their wouldn't be a reason for him to change it out unless he out flows it.

Second, because the GST is partially built, the OP will be getting his hands into a car which he has no idea on what exactly was done to it. Sure it has a list of stuff done to it. But how true does it hold to the list? Is there a gurantee that there are no "surprises" awaiting him? Why do you think people rave when they find stock cars? Why do you think they call stock cars "unmolested?" PErsonally if I got it, I would want a complete teardown of the car and see if there are any protential problems that lie in hiding. For a complete noob, a partially modified car is not something to be messing with without extensive coverage about it. I'm not saying the OP is one but I'm not going to assume he's a wiseman either.

I totally agree. Thats why I tell people to look for a stock car, because in a lot of cases you could be buying someones headache. I have seen it too many times, where a friend buys a modded car and the cars total shit. People mod cars for a reason, and in most cases its to go fast, so what says the car hasn't been beat on?

 

[boostd-spyder96]

Well neither of us knows what the OP plans for the car. It could be track, autocross, road racing, whatever. And if people were to get AWD and AWS because of weather, tell that to the GVR4 owners who live in Florida then.

Second, because the GST is partially built, the OP will be getting his hands into a car which he has no idea on what exactly was done to it. Sure it has a list of stuff done to it. But how true does it hold to the list? Is there a gurantee that there are no "surprises" awaiting him? Why do you think people rave when they find stock cars? Why do you think they call stock cars "unmolested?" PErsonally if I got it, I would want a complete teardown of the car and see if there are any protential problems that lie in hiding. For a complete noob, a partially modified car is not something to be messing with without extensive coverage about it. I'm not saying the OP is one but I'm not going to assume he's a wiseman either.

Again, I stand by the 3kgt VR4 as the no brainer.

ya i would have to agree that was one of my concerns about the gst was that it was already built which has its ups and downs..but if i were to get a stock 2g and built it like that i would have well over that in it but then again atleast i would know what was done....one reason i was leaning towards the vr4 was because it was AWD and twin turbo(which ###### means twice the problems)..Also i have WAYYYY more experience with dsms..but im starting to think that the vr4's have 20 times more problems then dsms...

 

[Sp1kE]

I say get the VR4, its stock, get the engine compression tested, do a good look around.
if It checks out, go for it.

It will hold its value much longer then the eclipse, Its a real head turner, throw some light mods at it and keep up the maintenance.

Sure the eclipse has a bunch of power over the vr4, but it can get real annoying not being able to put it to the pavement with fwd.

 

[tsidrift1]

the body seems to be in real good condition its from florida to, so no rust..the only thing im concerned about would be the spool up time..do 50 trims take a while??im use to having 16g's..

My pte 50 trim feels almost the same as my evo 3 did. I have a smim and 272 cams to help a bit, but I dont think the lag on a 50 trim is anything to complain about. Go for the eclipse. 3000gt's are nice, but gosh their heavy as hell! Like stated before, if you had to work on it for some reason, what a pain in the ass!

Anthony

 

[spydermanX98X]

Well if you have the moeny to spend the 3KGT VR4 has endless tuning possibilities, if you say slap two 16g's on there with intake exhaust new pipes and whatnot most people see around 500-575 whp from what I remember. I almost bought a 3KGT VR4 one time myself.

 

[cali]

it all depends on what you want:

DSM= cheaper to work on (fewer parts) which means less money spent to on mods
VR4= will retain value more, rare car, if done right can be an amazing car but require more $$

personally, i say VR4

 

['92eclipsegst]

3000gt! I've owned both and unless money is an issue I would never choose a dsm over a 3/s. The gst would be faster but it only takes a boost controller, exhaust, intake and maintenance to put a 3000gt into the low 13's; plus they look amazing.

 

[Dsmj89]

It's based on what you like. Personally i'd get the 2g due to the fact it's has more curves and is more round. Also like stated above before you buy it, think of the headaches that the car MIGHT have or will bring upon.

 

[kahl23]

Also realize that the VR-4 has significantly less aftermarket support and replacement parts are harder to come by. Also, have you seen a VR-4 engine bay? It isn't exactly roomy. That being said, it is nice to get a stock car. So much of working on my car has been made easier because I know it so well having torn it down from stock and rebuilt it. It's your choice, personally I would go with the DSM, mostly because it's easier to work on and parts are more plentiful.

 

[Wicked_Sick]

Whats the year and price on the 3kgt?

I say get the vr4, the sexiness and rarity are a bonus, and it isnt as hard to get big power, plus aws and awd are nice. Theres not as much aftermarket support as the 2g though, and there are more things that can break.