dsmlinks

[mirkoelek]

how dsm link works, is it worth money and how much is it ,
i have evo III 16g can use that with this turbo

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

Lets try DSMlink.com

 

[jdm4g63]

What is the real cost associated with the dsmlink? I know that its around $595 for the base unit. However you have to get your ecu socketed. So many of us don't have the correct ecu (still waiting for a 1g version FOR EVERONE), so you you also have to get the right eprom ecu. Those seem to run around atleast $200. It seems that you aren't geting away with this setup for under $900. At this point I would consider the ams ems.

I know the dsmlink is cool and chances are that I would buy one if the made it for the 1G. However you can get the ams for around $1450 (9 second racing I believe). With the ams you get boost control so there is no need for a $350 avc. Also you get a blow through setup which will get rid of the stock mas. Honeycombs are good for breakfast but not for air flow metering. To achieve this with the dsmlink you have to still run the maft setup as they have yet to include a setting for running a 3" gm. Also ingnition management is included.

All I am saying is that if you are planing to go towards a full race setup, you are going to want to consider this. But I still have to admitt that its pretty cool.

 

[ikickuintheball]

I know the dsmlink is cool and chances are that I would buy one if the made it for the 1G.

Have you visited their site recently? http://www.dsmlink.com/ordering.html They DO offer it for 1g's. .

DSMlink is a tuning and logging program that nothing but a standalone can touch. You can use it with your stock turbo.

 

[95GSXBLUR]

I have DSMlink, and let me tell you it's awesome. I got everything for $605 shipped. I already had a 95 eprom ecu so I was one up there. they now do have 1G dsmlink and their customer service and support is second to none.

dsmlink is designed for pretty much drag racing only. it mainly allows for only WOT throttle adjustments.... it has VERY limited streetability/partial throttle controls. if you're looking to get a system that will be able to control everything at every rpm and every throttle position DSMLINK is not for you, AEM EMS is. I got DSMLINK under the impression that it controls more then WOT, but it really doesn't. It's a great system and i'm definitely keeping it... because it's features are awesome and it can do things AMS can't do...

If you want a program for straight line WOT bad-a$$ tuning DSMLINK is for you..
If you want a program that you can tune foor streetability AMS is the to go.

DSMLink $600
AEM EMS $1500
Boost control, that's your choice $50-350

Before getting fuel management you should have everything ready for it... all the bolt ons and horsepower and quarter/lap times in mind before deciding what to do. PM if you have questions.

 

[rowlex]

dsmlink is great for streetability also. I would take it over AEM EMS..especially on the street. I hear the AEM is incredibly hard to figure out. DSMLink is incredibly easy to use, and user friendly. Someone going for a street tune would most likely not enjoy wasting time with the AEM.

 

[billdo_83]

People should know that AEM is not for the weak of heart and the unexperienced Tuner where as DSMlink is very user friendly.

 

[gixrman]

My one question is will my vehicle still be OBD compliable? I figure no way with AEM. Hate to get it and the car fail inspection.

 

[rowlex]

My one question is will my vehicle still be OBD compliable? I figure no way with AEM. Hate to get it and the car fail inspection.

Dont know with AEM. With DSMLink it is still fully compatible OBD-II.

 

[dave99gst]

Dont know with AEM. With DSMLink it is still fully compatible OBD-II.

AEM replaces obd-2


i think as the first reply stated .. www.dsmlink.com answers all the questions.

 

[Sic95gst]

I thought to socket a ECU it was only $50 or less if you already have a eprom ecu? It's not worth all the money if you have to shell out $200 for a eprom ecu+$50 to socket then +$600 for dsmlink = $850. you could buy a stand alone for a litle more and have more adjustability. If you already have a Laptop and a eprom ECU then i think it's worth it.

 

[jdm4g63]

I just came back from the dsmlink website and I am really shocked. I started a project in mid december and at that point the 1g dsmlink was only an unavailable to the public prototype. I am really impressed with the speed of production by the dsmlink guys.

I agree with Sic95gst, if you have been blessed with an eprom ecu then the dsmlink would be the way to go but if not wait and get the aem. Oh but both systems require the use of a laptop. I do love the idea of more control with aem such as electronic boost control but then again I hear that the system has a hiccup everyonce in a while that the average tuner like myself is comfortable with.

As for the dsmlink, it looks good but I really want ebc plus I don't like the honeycomb. If they add the ebc and give a setting for using the 3" gm so that I don't have to also get the maft, I will get it instead of the aem.

Obd is lost with aem but that only concerns 2g drivers. Us 1g drivers are still getting our asses sniffed.

 

[gixrman]

Obd is lost with aem but that only concerns 2g drivers. Us 1g drivers are still getting our asses sniffed.

And thats a hugh concern for a DD with the ever present emissions nazi's. So my only choice is DSMlink.

Oh and those that say the cost is a factor, think about how much you spend on AFC's, datloggers, widebands and every other monitoring device. DSMlink and even AEM look like the smart way to go.

Yes it would be nice if DSMlink had a EBC, GM mas hookup, or worked off of speed desity.

 

[guitarXgeek]

dsmlink is designed for pretty much drag racing only. it mainly allows for only WOT throttle adjustments.... it has VERY limited streetability/partial throttle controls. if you're looking to get a system that will be able to control everything at every rpm and every throttle position DSMLINK is not for you, AEM EMS is. I got DSMLINK under the impression that it controls more then WOT, but it really doesn't. It's a great system and i'm definitely keeping it... because it's features are awesome and it can do things AMS can't do...

If you want a program for straight line WOT bad-a$$ tuning DSMLINK is for you..
If you want a program that you can tune foor streetability AMS is the to go.

I'm going to have to disagree with some of your points here. You're saying that DSMlink isn't great when tuning for streetability... are you kidding? That's pretty much the basis of why Tom and Dave created DSMlink - to allow for very easy street tuning with the added control of full-out race tuning. DSMlink tunes for more than just WOT, which is why it is GREAT for street tuning. Timing adjustments on the link are not throttle specific, it's all the time. Also, you can easily compensate for larger injectors (which again adds to great streetability), as well as make fuel adjustments with the click of a mouse. How's that for easy tuning? And I won't even go into all the other various functions that put a smile on my face everytime I use it

I'm not dogging the AEM unit, but to say that AEM is more streetable than DSMlink is absolutely absurd! In my opinion, you won't find a better user-friendly, full-blown race/street tuning device than DSMlink, for the money.

 

[PaleDSM]

1. How many people can tune their own completely stand alone engine management? Even if the cost were closer than $600 I think most people should stay with DSMLink for its ease of use. People on here can't figure out an afc half the time, what makes you think they can handle 3D fuel maps and part throttle multi load tuning? Please, it would give DSMs an even worse rep because of everyone grenading their cars while trying to learn to tune.

2. Honeycombs are not as restrictive to airflow as people seem to believe. For 80% of the DSMers running 12s and 13s on racegas a 2G MAS isn't a restriction to flow.

3. DSMLink is constantly being upgraded and added too. They take suggestions constantly on their forum and integrate whatever is possible into the updates. Logging of boost, logging of wideband O2 sensors, and maybe even GM Maf usage.

4. With proper global and dead time injector settings the car maintains a stock like streetability. There is no reason to tune every segment of part throttle tuning in closed loop.

 

[billdo_83]

1. How many people can tune their own completely stand alone engine management? Even if the cost were closer than $600 I think most people should stay with DSMLink for its ease of use. People on here can't figure out an afc half the time, what makes you think they can handle 3D fuel maps and part throttle multi load tuning? Please, it would give DSMs an even worse rep because of everyone grenading their cars while trying to learn to tune.

This is the point that I brought up before.

I dont know how many of you are gurus with tuning with an AEM EMS but unless you understand tuning to its fullest extent and want to spend oodles of hours or else a ton a cash to pay someone to tune your car in AEM IS NOT FOR YOU.

DSMlink is user friendly.



Also you dont need to have a laptop in your car for DSMlink. It is possible to run DSMlink off a PDA.


How many of you are hardcore NHRA racers or Rally racers where you need the tuning capabilities of AEM? I'm an average guy who wants a fast car and I was thinking about the AEM setup before. But most of us dont need it and it will bring way too many headaches to consider it.

As for the cost of an AEM setup, once you get all the sensors and everything with with it you will be spending over 2 grand and then pay for someone to tune it you could be up to 3grand which is a little more than the 850~ for the DSMlink.

 

[VRC Racing]

This thread has some very interesting information about people and what they consider as "value". I find it interesting that one poster would consider DSMLink if it included boost control and direct connection for a GM MAF. Would that be true at an additional cost of $300 or $500. Or is the assumption that these enhancements would be include in the current product for no additional charge.

Regarding honeycombs. Yes, they are somewhat restrictive. The 1g MAS can be over flowed quite easily and one of the early mods was to start hacking on it. The 2g MAS was a great improvement but still can be a problem when flowing over 350g/sec. DSMLink has the ability to handle hacking the MAS and extending that range. Of course using a GM MAF and the MAFT translator is another option open for air metering, which we have yet to find the upper limit.

Both the AEM and DSMLink are awesome products that have allowed us to reach unheard of performance potentials at very modest cost. Remember the HK$ VPC?

-Russ
9.7@ 139 using DSMLink

 

[illuminatus]

Having a 1G I think I'll stick with the free, OSS MMCD.

 

[dsmayhem]

Having a 1G I think I'll stick with the free, OSS MMCD.

That might be great for logging, but DSMlink and AEM EMS are on an entirely different level. I think you're missing the point here.

Anyhow DSMlink got my vote. I have only had it for a couple of weeks and even all my 1g friends love playing with it. And there is no way I would want ot mess with AEM EMS. Don't get me wrong its an awesome product, but DSMlink is so much easier to use and still maintains close to the power of a full stand alone without killing OBDII etc.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

The only beef I have with DSMlink that is preventing me from getting one is locating an EPROM ECU. You have to get lucky, or you usually have to rip someone off because they are becoming harder to find. And trying DSM trader is hit and miss, the probablility of being scammed (along with ebay) is pretty good. And even if you find one you don't know if its going to work until its hooked up, unless someone knows of a RELIABLE place to find them without costing an arm and a leg. (I.E. not SATAN) The AEM, while more expensive doesn't have this dependency. I'm split.

 

[flinguist]

DSM Link cost: Software=$600, Laptop, or Palm=$150, Socket EPROM $30-40, '95 ECU=$150-300, total=$1000-1100. You can get an ECU at http://www.car-part.com/ for a reasonable price.

 

[PaleDSM]

I shopped around for about a month.

DSMLink- $595
IBM labtop on ebay- $45
Eprom Ecu- $100
Sold AFC--$200
Sold pocketlogger and M100--$200

Out of pocket=$340

 

[karbon]

Yes it would be nice if DSMlink had a EBC, GM mas hookup, or worked off of speed desity.

I don't see the advantage of full time speed density. It doesn't offer much of an advantage over a blowthrough MAF setup when you're using MAF clamping (kind of a crude speed-density calculation assuming steady boost levels at WOT and > 2700 (variable)Hz from the MAF). That is unless you want to remove the resriction of the little wires in the MAF
Direct MAF signal translation is on the "to do" list.
The nice thing about DSMLink is that help is extensively available and upgrades are cheap.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

DSM Link cost: Software=$600, Laptop, or Palm=$150, Socket EPROM $30-40, '95 ECU=$150-300, total=$1000-1100. You can get an ECU at http://www.car-part.com/ for a reasonable price.

Thanks for the link. This is what I was needing.

 

[tom1995tsi]

Hey PaleDSM what type of laptop do you have?