Drifting [Merged 9-8]

[Snake]

Well as power goes Ive got nothing to worry.
So can the 2g dsm drivetrain handle the punishment that drifting will induce to it??
What about tires what kind of tires would you recomend and the tire preasure?

 

[Rx3]

The stock drivetrain will probably not handle that pressure too well. You will probably end up killing your viscuos coupling in the transmission. If you really want to do the "dorifto" thing, I would suggest using a car that is not as expensive to repair.

If you upgrade your tranny, you should be able to manage drifting without too much headache, but realize that doing this kind of thing on purpose, constantly, will tear up your car. DSMs aren't cheap to work on when you are talking about tranny and drivetrain. I speak from experience.


that being said, I autocross, and since I have a new fully built tranny w/ Spider diff, my DSM will drift quite easily as long as the turn is quick and I am on the power. You can check my mods in my profile, I am also putting out about 270 HP or so (I haven't gotten a chance to tune for really high PSI yet to get to 300+)

 

[Snake]

Thanks for the info.

 

[Toppel 2g]

Originally posted by Snake
What about tires what kind of tires would you recomend and the tire preasure?

Keep your tires full of air...... you dont want the tire coming off the rim when you try and loose traction...... you know how that will end up.

 

[98eclipseRS]

ya high tire preasure is key so that the contact patch is kept minimal. As for what tires if you go out to your local road with the intention of drifting then i would recomend not so great tires or even ones that are low on tread. If you want to do some carving of the road to see what your car can do without loosing traction on just some minor drifting then get some good sticky tires. On my car when i actually have the intention of just drifting i get my stock rims with the beat up ass tires they have on them because they break loose easier.

 

[Drifte]

I'm all about keeping it sideways, but to make it easier on my car i do it on gravel, or loose cement crap. high tire presssure, trail brake and keep on the gas, it beautiful.

 

[Snake]

Some you guys done this on GS-T(FF).
Like I said before am going for the all wheel set-up and LSD on the back.
But could it be posible to practice and not tear anything up on the FF set-up??

 

[98eclipseRS]

well you can do it in your fwd by just pulling the ebrake and whipping the back end out that way. or modify you brakes so that all the braking is done by the back wheels with no abs(not safe). But if you are looking to get some practice with you fwd that will directly relate to drifting in an awd don't count on it its way different(well for me it was)

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

all you need to do is some weight reduction, quick spoolin turbo and a shit load or negative camber adjustment.

 

[milkeyisback]

i was out ass draggin this morning in my school parking lot and was wondering if anyone here has some good tips? like where to go to learn how to get some nice drifts, or if its even possible to do with a front wheel drive car, ive seen it done in the movies alot but i hear they modify them to rear wheel alot of the time. Any tips would be great, thanx!

 

[xxrealmsxx]

i was out ass draggin this morning in my school parking lot and was wondering if anyone here has some good tips? like where to go to learn how to get some nice drifts, or if its even possible to do with a front wheel drive car, ive seen it done in the movies alot but i hear they modify them to rear wheel alot of the time. Any tips would be great, thanx!

Not gonna work, just dont do it, please just dont. You will get someone hurt, pulling the e-brake in a fwd car and "drifting" is just losing control. Save your $ and get a rwd car.

 

[69_luv]

all I gotta say is

you want to drift get AWD if you want to fight it or RWD if you want to work it....period.
Does it look like our FWD cars drift? Have you taken a corner at 90 and notice our cars push not drift?

The parking brake only works in Need For Speed Underground...

 

[leet]

I'm going to take this opportunity to point and giggle.

 

[eclipse13]

I have done it around turns late at night, and it is slightly controlable. But it is really dangerous and i dont recomend it. I cant really explain how to do it, you just pull the ebrake and then drop it back down and try to control it. Once again like xxxrealmsxxx said, it is hard to control and I dont do it anymore b/c it is just to big of a risk.

 

[69_luv]

LAUGH OUT LOUD=
hahaha

 

[InferiorWang]

many people don't believe me when I say it, but you can kinda drift in a fwd car w/o the e-brake, at least I can in my *gasp* civic. You have to really know how your car handles and what it does when it breaks free (so drive fast and do some e-brake slides until you got it). Then, you have to learn to shift the weight in the car just right by braking and feint then turn. Eventually you'll be able to pull some real nice slides around corners in your car. Of course, this will be harder to do if you've been spending a lot of money for real good tires. It's not nearly as fun as a RWD drift and my friend and I haven't had the opportunity to drift his little brother's talon, yet (the thing stick like a mother to dry pavement), but it's amusing to do and you can show people that drifting is possible in a fwd car w/o e-braking and ass-dragging.

 

[cuttheduck]

I drifted all the time in my FWD talon w/out any Ebrake........................







But it was in the snow all winter w/ dunlop winter sport M3s (AWESOME snow tire) in the front and almost BALD stockers in the back. It was so much fun. I would get the mall security watching me do donuts and drifts and many times people would ask if I was RWD. I wish. It was pretty dangerous though. Even in straightline driving sometimes the ass end would try to pass me when it was bad out.

 

[Sephroth57]

i think someone is watching Initial D lately....

 

[cuttheduck]

i think someone is watching Initial D lately....

Is this towards me?? what the hell is intial D????

 

[DSMNightmare]

I had a friend who used to drift/assdrag his GS-T. He even went and competed down in the drift competition in N.C. His biggest suggestion was to get a Kaaz LSD because you want both front wheels when attempting this. I have some videos of us playing around on a rainy day but the drifting was shitty because it was wet. If I can get anymore vids of him doing it I'll PM you later. He has moved back to Japan otherwise I would just have him PM you.

 

[milkeyisback]

yea i was just wondering what u guys thought, i might play around with it a little more b4 i get new tires, my friend has a 300zx and he says he can wip that thing like crazy, hes gonna take me out in it sometime soon. Im gonna try and get the U turn drift down in my school parking lot, if i do ill post up some video.

 

[greenmachine97]

1st and foremost, if you want to learn how to drift, go online and buy a copy of "The Drift Bible", this is hands down the most informative source for competition driving and controling a car. But it only focuses on drifting, just buy it and watch, no questions asked. you also might be able to download it from kazaa. "The Drift Bible"
now where do i begin to adress the rest of this. sorry if i sound like an asshole, but here are my thoughts.
*rant on*
ok, first of all, being able to "whip" a car around is not drifting!! :thumbdown
Drifting is all about control, COMPLETE CONTROL. Here is my census on FWD and drifting
FWD=Handicap, not questions about it.

you cant drift a fwd car. i have owned two fwd's and i also own an ae86(rwd). and drifting is when the adhesion of the rear tires is lost, causing the car to oversteer. and doing this into and through a turn in COMPLETE CONTROL is drifting. pretty much throwing the car sideways b4 the turn and looking in at the turn until it straightens out and then just countersteering your way through the corner. this can be argued all day long, but in order to do this you have to be able to control how fast the rear tires are spinning, (throttle modulation) in order to control the car through the turn. in a fwd car you have no control over the rear end of the car, besides the ebrake but even then you cant make the rear tires lose grip and maintain the lost grip through a turn in complete control. In a FWD car it is called "ass-dragging" or ebraking. true drifting can only be done in a car allowing you to modulate how fast the rear tires are spinning and control the ass of the car. (rwd/awd) but i know there are a billion people that are going to argue with me now, so go ahead and tell me your story.


here is why FWD is not a drifting car, but what else can be done in a FWD car to still have fun.
Ok, FWD=Understeer=BAD!
fwd is never a premium choise for a well handling car, i am not saying you cant get them to handle well, just that all of the worlds best handling cars are all RWD! in a fwd car, when you enter a corner fast and turn the wheel fast you will begin to "plow forward", as your front tires will lose grip and start sliding forward, this is called understeer. There are 2 things you can do to try and correct this:
1) Front Braking=When understeering, keep the wheel turned and jab at the foot brake, when you do this the front end of your car will lunge forward and your backend should come around to match with the angle of the front tires. if your are lucky enough to get it to oversteer, you should just counter-steer and let your car pull straight on through, liek in a RWD car.
or
2) E-brake check: when you lose it into a turn(understeer), you can always just pull the ebrake and the back tires will lock up, and then the back end should snap around to match the direction of travel of the front end. Again, just countersteer the oversteer, and continue driving through the turn.

But these techniques are rarely effective on slick conditions, if you are on snow: just put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye. Understeering in snow is very hard to correct. as your FWD car relys on at least a little bit of traction to get a weight transfer, in order for your backend to come around when you jab the brakes. But even in rain, it is damn near impossible to control a drift in a fwd car when initiated by an e-brake slide. because you have no control of how fast the rear tires are spinning. a RWD car you can smoothly transfer the weight and continue to slide around the turn in complete control through throttle modulation, this is the true art of drifting. Have fun and good luck, but if you want a well handling car that can slide in and out of corners with ease, get a rwd. I just sold my beater ae86, so i can finish my car and save some money and get another better condition ae86

but i think we can all agree on this, Just Because It Isnt "Drifting" doesnt mean it isnt fun! so go ahead and ass-drag all night and wear down them back tires. ripping a car through turns one after another is still 10x more fun than a 1/4 mile drag race, in my opinion, but maybe if i had a 10 second car i would think otherwise. But then again that is why i have my ae86! ~Stay-Sideways~


"Chicks dig guys who can do it sideways!"

 

[Defiant]

Seeya in the "What's Wrong With My Parking Brake ?" thread.

 

[miamieclipse]

I know i am not supposed to be doing this (fwd) , but with that said....tonight i was drivin home from pines, and as i am getting on the on-ramp there is a turn which one can take at a good speed. I was going about maybe 45 then i went to go turn (right) and it is not a sharp turn but when i did turn, the car felt as if it was drifting (the roads are dry as can be today, no water at all). I got kinda scared at first then it felt like hmm this is awsome .....All hte way driving home i was thinking how could that be???? I thought maybe the tires are bald (maybe inside is going faster than outside as the outside has tread), does anyone have a comment? (Lets not flame now )

I am going to try and make a shitty drwaing of the street

 

[Mackzero]

Well, the drift is mainly your rear end sliding out around the corner... The term "drifting" is the "art" of being able to slide your vehicle around corners... under control, being the key element. You could do this on a fwd, but you would have different control over the "drift". Be carefull, you might end up in a ditch. :thumbdown