Differences in the 420a and GST/GSX chassis

[evileclipse98]

Besides the engine and tranny, what are the differences in the chassis of a rs/gs and a gst/gsx? I mean primarily the engine bay. Thanks.

 

[artindsm]

you can build a 420a just as well as a 4g63 you can find just as many parts it just costs more cbecause you have to up grade everything. But if your thinking of doing a 420a turbo swap just get ready to spend money and a few days going will it fit????

 

[mrTalonAWD95]

195hp? where are you getting your info? They came with 210hp turbocharged. Please don't post on threads trying to act like you know what your are talking about and give incorrect info. What you trying to do because you're not really helping...

BTW sarcasm can be left at the door, all was well before you came in given incorrect info, begone..

195 is what the 1g engines make. 2g engines make 210. if youre getting a 6 bolt, it will make 195hp. thats where he is getting his info from.

God, these cars are damn heavy! My 98 Neon R/T weighs much less than these cars! I just didn't think they weighed soooo much! No wonder the 2 guys in the town I work in lost so bad to my mildly built R/T in their stock GST's. My Neon is pretty damn stout for a N/A 2 liter. My GSX, if I keep it, will probably go on a awd to fwd diet anyway. It would just cost too much to keep and convert it from auto to manual. I may just go ahead and list it on ebay, just to see if I can get a little for it to go towards a GS or something different. If I can't get jack for it, I'll keep it and go 6bolt. Thank god for reserve prices on ebay!

WHY would you make a AWD car FWD?

Non turbo RS/GS has better compression then a non turbo GST/GSX. So I would go with the RS/GS stock for stock.

RS/GS= 140hp engine that throws rods at 200hp on stock internals vs a 4g63, a 200hp engine that can hold 400hp on stock internals.

I saw your thread about buying a junk 2g and hating on the 4g63 and crankwalk. (I was just giving cliff notes to that thread and not trying to start a pointless internet fight). Putting a 420A into a GSX would cost a lot more than building a 6-bolt and putting that in. If you're worried about crankwalking a 7-bolt first look at your power goals for the car and see what clutch would be needed to put that power to the wheels. If you need a clutch to hold 350+whp, build a 6-bolt and be done with it. It wouldn't be much more than building up the 7-bolt. But putting a 420A or EVO 8 engine into an AWD car that has the mounts for the engine and trans in the opposite locations would cost big bucks in fabrication.

WHY would you put a 420a into a GSX/ GST?

 

[USER_22]

195 is what the 1g engines make. 2g engines make 210. if youre getting a 6 bolt, it will make 195hp. thats where he is getting his info from.

Yeah but we aren't talking about 1g or 6 bolt engines, we are talking about 2g 4g63 engines.. kthxbye...

RS/GS= 140hp engine that throws rods at 200hp on stock internals vs a 4g63, a 200hp engine that can hold 400hp on stock internals.

Yet again you are something else besides the question. We are talking about stock to stock which one would be better. In a race with a 420a 2g vs. a 4g63 N/T 1g with no cars having any mods on them, the 420a would win due to having the lower compressing which would result in making more power.... Also 4g63 stock internals can handle at least 450hp with proper tuning, anything higher then that and you run a risk of the pistons going out..

 

[mrTalonAWD95]

Yeah but we aren't talking about 1g or 6 bolt engines, we are talking about 2g 4g63 engines.. kthxbye.....

no, you werent. you dont even know what youre even talking about. you were talking about nonturbo GST and GSX's. wtf are you smoking?

Yet again you are something else besides the question. We are talking about stock to stock which one would be better. In a race with a 420a 2g vs. a 4g63 N/T 1g with no cars having any mods on them, the 420a would win due to having the lower compressing which would result in making more power.... Also 4g63 stock internals can handle at least 450hp with proper tuning, anything higher then that and you run a risk of the pistons going out..

on an N/A engine, higher compression means more power. so again, youre retarded.

also a 1g nonturbo car is lighter than a 2g nonturbo car so therefore the 1g 4g63 car would beat it 420a.


you should stop giving out advice.

 

[USER_22]

no, you werent. you dont even know what youre even talking about. you were talking about nonturbo GST and GSX's. wtf are you smoking?

I'm talking about a NT 4g63 engine who the hell said anything about a GST or GSX specifically? No one, so what the hell are YOU talking about?

on an N/A engine, higher compression means more power. so again, youre retarded.

also a 1g nonturbo car is lighter than a 2g nonturbo car so therefore the 1g 4g63 car would beat it 420a.


you should stop giving out advice.

That lighter weight on the 1g has nothing to do with it. A stock 1g NT has like 92 hp, and a stock 420a has 140hp. Also lower CR ratios mean more air/fuel safely forced into the engine = more power.

I would love to know where you get your info bro. I've been around DSMs since the 90s. You're probably just a noob that's just getting into the DSM game. You can't even make a proper sentence, but you can come into a thread and try to give advice? Read the rules noob they are there in bright RED: 6. Use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation if posting in our Tech Forums. Internet Explorer users should download IEspell. We suggest using . Use Dictionary.com if necessary.

 

[evileclipse98]

Ok, it was asked why I would put a 420a in a GSX, and the simple answer is......BECAUSE THE CAR BELONGS TO ME! Simple, huh? It doesn't matter what I do with the car, does it? I mean if it is a sin to do this, then do the right thing and buy it from me sheeesh. Come on. I am trying to sell this car and get a more reliable platform in the 420a engine so I don't have to gut the GSX. I just refuse to sink money into the 4g63 and have it crankwalk, ok. My Neon R/T is going to be my performance car and the Eclipse will be my daily driver/street rod. The Neon is way lighter and I already have that 420a runnin like a champ anyway. It's just to much of a pain to drive it back and forth to work daily. I appreciate the helpfull people and just say to all the others that don't like it that if it comes down to it, I'll put a lawnmower engine in it! GRIEF!!!!!

 

[Locke]

Crankwalk is overrated, even in the 7bolt 4g63. Don't let that be such a large ecision making factor.

Higher compression makes more power, regardless of turbo or not.

A factory 2gnt (with all its heft) is faster than a 2.0l 1gnt.

Fast 420a's aren't difficult to make, they just cost some more money, have less aftermarket support, have less (though still plenty) community support, and won't ever be AWD.

Fast turbo-cars, in every way, are easier, cheaper, have more support, and have the option of AWD.

Evo swaps, and any other such things, aren't worth the trouble.



This thread needs to die.