Damaged Tire Bead....Experts (especially with manual tire changers) only please...non-DSM

[4gfun]

So one of my winter tires had a leak on my Subaru Forester XT. I did the bubble test and found that the tire was leaking at the tire bead around a clip on weight. Lots of rust and corrosion on the weight. I removed the weight but it leaked even worse.

I dismounted the Firestone Winterforce tire from the Scion wheels I am using after breaking the bead. All of this was done with a Harbor Freight manual tire changer.

It about 20 degrees outside during this process. I bent the crap out of my mojo lever when removing the tire. I had to pry outward SUPER hard when to get the sidewall over the rim's outside and was really worried about ripping the bead.

Sure enough, it happened.

I didn't use any lubricant because I thought that lubricant only needed to be used during the mounting process. My No-Mar paste and water spray solution was frozen solid as well.

I have looked all over the place for a used Winterforce 1 tire to no avail.

I didn't post this in the Subaru community who will tell me the sky is falling. It may very well be but I thought I'd post here first since the Mitsu community seems a bit less uptight.

This rip goes right through to the other side. The steel is not torn though.

Will this just be a slow leak mess?

I have used this with success in the past and I am more than tempted. Wished that I just used it and didn't remove the rim in retrospect.

https://www.amazon.com/Berryman-1301-Sealing-Compound-1-Gallon/dp/B0002KKIJQ

Here is a pic of the rip.

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[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Lube is always used for anything to do with putting on or taking of wheels! AlWAYS!!! I nearly did this once but i was stopped and i never forgotten since! Since your down to bare wire its pretty much illegal! Well it would be here reguardless of tread!

My personal opinion is replace the tire! It may or may not leak but if it blows on the highway you could cause an accident and knowing means your very liable! Sidewalls are strong for a reason and beading is critical,

Sucks you did this but if you didnt know you should have asked for assistance but we sometimes learn the hard way! Always use lube!!!

 

[4gfun]

Lube is always used for anything to do with putting on or taking of wheels! AlWAYS!!! I nearly did this once but i was stopped and i never forgotten since! Since your down to bare wire its pretty much illegal! Well it would be here reguardless of tread!

My personal opinion is replace the tire! It may or may not leak but if it blows on the highway you could cause an accident and knowing means your very liable! Sidewalls are strong for a reason and beading is critical,

Sucks you did this but if you didnt know you should have asked for assistance but we sometimes learn the hard way! Always use lube!!!

Not disagreeing with you for the sake of disagreeing, but every youtube video that I have ever seen on doing this with a manual tire changer only shows lubing as something that happens when mounting the tire not dismounting it. Also, if the steel isn't broken, I don't see how the strength of the tire could be compromised. There really was nothing to ask. Like I said, none of this is mentioned on the tutorials and this isn't my first time using the tool.

Finally, getting a new tire isn't going to be a very easy thing. The tire has been discontinued and I can't find a used one. All of the tires need to be the same because it's AWD. Even if I could source a used tire, it would have to be pretty close in thread depth.

Thanks for your input. At least I know that lube is required at all times not just mounting.

 

[lasthope05]

Try to use an actual bead sealer. I've had good luck with Xtra Seal. You have to get it from the commercial desk. Mount the tire, slather it onto the bead area and reseat the bead. Its mostly for a corroded/damaged bead area but it might work for you. It acts as a rubber filler/glue.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/xtra-seal-32-oz.-hd-bead-seal-14-101a/28200234-P

 

[4gfun]

Try to use an actual bead sealer. I've had good luck with Xtra Seal. You have to get it from the commercial desk. Mount the tire, slather it onto the bead area and reseat the bead. Its mostly for a corroded/damaged bead area but it might work for you. It acts as a rubber filler/glue.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/xtra-seal-32-oz.-hd-bead-seal-14-101a/28200234-P

I am going to try this. I just watched a youtube video with this. Seemed like it comes off if it isn't wet (starting at around 1:31 of this video). I imagine it's going to be super hard not to disturb this stuff since it has been a pain to dismount, I'd imagine the mounting process will be a monster as well. Wonder how it will interact with the NOMAR paste...might be best to use soapy water like he is doing.

I mean, I could try it out and use Berryman as well (if needed). I'd just need to be prepared to balance the wheel afterwards which I am pretty good at with the bubble balancer.

Thanks for the idea.

 

[FIBA M - EC17PSE]

Not disagreeing with you for the sake of disagreeing, but every youtube video that I have ever seen on doing this with a manual tire changer only shows lubing as something that happens when mounting the tire not dismounting it. Also, if the steel isn't broken, I don't see how the strength of the tire could be compromised. There really was nothing to ask. Like I said, none of this is mentioned on the tutorials and this isn't my first time using the tool.

Finally, getting a new tire isn't going to be a very easy thing. The tire has been discontinued and I can't find a used one. All of the tires need to be the same because it's AWD. Even if I could source a used tire, it would have to be pretty close in thread depth.

Thanks for your input. At least I know that lube is required at all times not just mounting.

1st thing i get taught on tire changing no matter how its done is make sure its always slippy/lube, it stoos jamming and helps prevent ripping, why i dont know but its always used to go on and off as i said before, youtube is sometimes full of crap! You gotta use your head sometimes to get it right, even washing up liquid is used and it works fine, grease, heck im sure butter would even work .

As for the wire i know its not broken thats not the point, moisture can now get inside and weaken the inside out and rot it sooner, in the UK any wire showing reghardless or broken or not is a tire safety thing so it has to be binned! Rules might be lax there but for me if it shows it goes,

You may get away with a sealent of some kind though, until next time you have to change tires out again for new ones but just keep an eye on it and always have caution

 

[lasthope05]

I am going to try this. I just watched a youtube video with this. Seemed like it comes off if it isn't wet (starting at around 1:31 of this video). I imagine it's going to be super hard not to disturb this stuff since it has been a pain to dismount, I'd imagine the mounting process will be a monster as well. Wonder how it will interact with the NOMAR paste...might be best to use soapy water like he is doing.

I mean, I could try it out and use Berryman as well (if needed). I'd just need to be prepared to balance the wheel afterwards which I am pretty good at with the bubble balancer.

Thanks for the idea.

Bead sealer has to be applied on to a dry/clean tire. Use brake clean or acetone to clean the area. It is put on wet and the bead must be reseated when while still wet. Think of it as glue.

 

[4gfun]

1st thing i get taught on tire changing no matter how its done is make sure its always slippy/lube, it stoos jamming and helps prevent ripping, why i dont know but its always used to go on and off as i said before, youtube is sometimes full of crap! You gotta use your head sometimes to get it right, even washing up liquid is used and it works fine, grease, heck im sure butter would even work .

As for the wire i know its not broken thats not the point, moisture can now get inside and weaken the inside out and rot it sooner, in the UK any wire showing reghardless or broken or not is a tire safety thing so it has to be binned! Rules might be lax there but for me if it shows it goes,

You may get away with a sealent of some kind though, until next time you have to change tires out again for new ones but just keep an eye on it and always have caution

When I lived in Glasgow I had all the family around me who could help me out but was too skint to own a car. Now I don't have that problem but no family to help me out in this rural area. No one around me knows anything about cars nor do they care about them so I am stuck being self sufficient. If you dare bring your vehicle to a shop they will charge you lots of money and not get anything right. I have countless wheels balanced and mounted only to go over 50mph and have the car rattle my fillings.

I am not the type with common sense, I'll be honest. I am more of a robot.

You can't see the wire through the other side. Wish me well!

I see your point about moisture. I am going to run with that though. IT is VERY DRY here in the winter with RH values hovering around 10%. I will dry things up well, seal her up tight and see how it goes.

Thanks again!

Bead sealer has to be applied on to a dry/clean tire. It is put on wet and the bead must be reseated when while still wet. Think of it as
glue.

...but I won't be able to get the tire on dry at least manually. I just don't have the strength for that and even if I did I think that I'd tear things even more. Looks like it would be ok though according to that video.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

EDIT: Maybe clean up things after mounting the tire. Let it dry well, then try to put this stuff on and set the bead after? Not sure my fingers can get in there though.

 

[lasthope05]

Mount the tire normally with lube, then clean the lube off with brake cleaner or something similar.

 

[4gfun]

Mount the tire normally with lube, then clean the lube off with brake cleaner or something similar.

...so there should be enough room between the tire and rim after mounting but not setting the bead to get this stuff in there right?

 

[lasthope05]

Correct. Do not set the bead. Push the tire down and apply along the bead of the rim(bottom and sides) and onto the face of the bead(tire). Then inflate the tire to reseat while still wet.

 

[4gfun]

Better than gold! Thanks for helping me along in every aspect guys. Them Subie guys never heard of J-B weld...!

 

[4gfun]

I am SOLD on this stuff. No leaks whatsoever. Not sure if it would have leaked without it but hey I will use this stuff whenever really needed. Next time I'll probably just break the bead and clean up....then again it's easier to clean things up with a wire brush with the tire removed....but it's more intrusive. Such is life.

Thanks.

 

[Turbo2g]

Just read through this and was gonna say Bead Sealer! Bingo! Bead sealer does the trick. I saw no reason why the integrity of the tire was comprised in your pics, I too would have made it seal and used it.

 

[4gfun]

Yep, found another bead problem on another wheel today. This time I lubed up before removing and things went ALOT better. I think this stuff is good insurance. I wonder if there is any reason NOT to use it. I have a lifetime supply since the can is 32 oz! Guy at the store was asking me about it...almost got the feeling that he thought I was using it for purposes not intended. That stuff has a STRONG smell.