Crower Cams

[GiRtHyTaLonTsI]

Just wondering if anyone on the board is running them i just bought the crower stage 2 cams ....any idea on how much hp i could get from them

 

[311GSX]

I run the stage 1 cams on my car. I idles like a big block V8 and doesn't pull much vacume at idle 8 to 12. who knows how the stage 2's are. I'm not sure how much power you will get, when I dynoed my car the power kept climping. Most likely will need adjusable gears to gain full potential

Bob

 

[GiRtHyTaLonTsI]

do you use any kind of tunning softwear??? and if you dont mind me asking what kind of setup you have and what you make with stage 1 cams

 

[311GSX]

I have pocketlogger, afc, and maft for tuning. My set-up curently is in my profile, 50 trim and supporting mods. The old set-up small 16G, stock fuel system, 2.5 exhaust, free mods 15 psi dynoed 240 to the wheels pig rich, horsepower curve kept riseing and didn't fall off, good top end. Haven't dynoed the new set-up yet, still need to install some parts .

Bob

 

[311GSX]

I have pocketlogger, afc, and maft for tuning. My set-up curently is in my profile, 50 trim and supporting mods. The old set-up small 16G, stock fuel system, 2.5 exhaust, free mods 15 psi dynoed 240 to the wheels pig rich, horsepower curve kept riseing and didn't fall off, good top end. Haven't dynoed the new set-up yet, still need to install some parts .

Bob

 

[GiRtHyTaLonTsI]

not bad im hoping to make good numbers with my setup if my cams ever plan on coming to me from slowboy

 

[ckozlgod]

I have heard nothing but good things about Crower, for imports or domestics. But them things are amazing on stangs.

 

[rdrkt]

"Use the Search" is not an acceptable response by itself. Just because a question has been answered before, doesn't give you the right to flame the person for asking it again. If you are not willing to at least post the exact URL to the thread (or page) where the answer can be found, and explain how the info can be found quickly next time, then just move on and say nothing at all. Teach newbies how to find info, don't flame them for not finding it.



Crower = teh suck

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by 311GSX
I run the stage 1 cams on my car. I idles like a big block V8 and doesn't pull much vacume at idle 8 to 12.

The reason your idle sucks so bad is more than likely because the POS cams are anywhere from 3-8 degrees off. You NEED to get cam gears and properly degree your cams.

 

[nanokpsi]

Originally posted by rdrkt
The reason your idle sucks so bad is more than likely because the POS cams are anywhere from 3-8 degrees off. You NEED to get cam gears and properly degree your cams.

That is exactly why i didn't want to test out the new comp cams. I have heard numerous times that the crowers, and the like are slways off. I have a set of 264/272 hks cams on my floor awaiting install. The money you save will be spent on adj. cam gears. once the are degreed I am sure the performance will be much better than stock.

I love that shit.....crower= the suck MAO

 

[GiRtHyTaLonTsI]

why do crower cams sucks??? i hear the stage 2 grind is about the same of hks 272/272 so if i get adj cam gears it will be easier to degree the cams??

 

[311GSX]

Originally posted by rdrkt
The reason your idle sucks so bad is more than likely because the POS cams are anywhere from 3-8 degrees off. You NEED to get cam gears and properly degree your cams.

Really?I never asked why they idled like that but thanks for your input. I wouldn't go as far as calling them POS, they just need to be degreed to work properly. I didn't know what I do now when I bought them two years ago, I would have gotten HKS from the start. When I do my timing belt I am going to swap in a pair of 272's My advise would be to not get the crowers and get HKS.

Bob

 

[GiRtHyTaLonTsI]

whats so much better about hks then crower ....im sorry for all the questions but i could tell slowboy to send me hks instead of crower.
Does hks have to be degree also

 

[311GSX]

What's better about the HKS is that they come out of the box not needing to be degreed. the crowers and pretty much every other cam need to be degreed to work properly. If you add the cost of the cams and gears It's close to the hks price not to mention the hassle of degreeing them. They make more power on the dyno and faster times on the track It's been proven.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by GiRtHyTaLonTsI
i hear the stage 2 grind is about the same of hks 272/272

In this case good enough is not good enough. Crower TRIED to copy HKS but they didn’t do a very good job. Their cams rarely match the cam cards. When your cams are 8 degrees off its going to make a HUGE impact on how effective they are.

Originally posted by GiRtHyTaLonTsI
so if i get adj cam gears it will be easier to degree the cams??

Not easier you NEED adj cam gears to degree your cams. The stock gears don’t have any adjustment.

Originally posted by GiRtHyTaLonTsI
but i could tell slowboy to send me hks instead of crower.

You should.

Originally posted by GiRtHyTaLonTsI
Does hks have to be degree also

No they don’t. They are usually within a few degree of where they should be and they work GREAT out of the box.

 

[Defiant]

ANY cam setup will benefit from being degreed, and those driven by lumpy rubber bands all the more so.

 

[GiRtHyTaLonTsI]

ok i just emailed slowboy racing i told them i want the hks 272/272 instead of the crower thanks alot for all your help guys ...wish me luck

 

[GiRtHyTaLonTsI]

on the hks cams what do they make power till?


264/264

264/272


272/272

 

[rdrkt]

It depends on the rest of your setup. Most importantly what turbo you are using.

 

[leet]

Originally posted by GiRtHyTaLonTsI
ok i just emailed slowboy racing i told them i want the hks 272/272 instead of the crower thanks alot for all your help guys ...wish me luck

Good choice.

 

[DSMTurboEclipse]

I wish I had the dough for a pair of 264/272's right now....

 

[Kingdom]

hmm, does the HKS come degreed perfectly. Or is the degree off but not as bad as the other makes?

 

[BoostinAWD]

Perfectly every time since they are ground by a machine, and not a human.

 

[MNGSX]

I don't know if I'd just blow off crower cams.

They are probably a good cam.

Crower has been making cams for quite some time know. All the QC issues crower has a had are minimal as compared to other DSM cams.

Even if I bought HKS cams I'd degree them. IMHO degree any and all cams if you are actually serious about the car. Kinda like checking bearing clearances no matter what crank, bearings or machine work you had done.. Check it.

Also I have seen alot of tunability with all cams when you use adjustable cam gears. You can set them just right for your car. You can change the overlap via the cam gears since one cam is an intake cam and the other an exhaust cam. It is'nt just about what degrees alignment they are with the crank... It is'nt just about installing them straight up and checking it. Add gears to ANY cams and they become a capable highly tunable component.

In my single cam pushrod days I saw alot of gains via experimenting with cam degree settings. The best power #'s came on a dyno.. the best actual performance via adjusting cams with the rubber on the track.

Now with a DOHC you can adjust the seperation between the intake and exhaust cam via the adjustable cam gears. On a pushrod V8 that means removing the grille, radiator and everything else needed to pull a bump stick... then putting in a different cam. I just think people are missing out on a potential avenue to pickup some ponies.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by MNGSX
Also I have seen alot of tunability with all cams when you use adjustable cam gears.

Yes you can dial them in on the dyno but do you really want to spend 3 hrs on a dyno at $100+ to pick up 10-15hp somewhere