Conic Vs Mushroom

[jibberishballr]

The good? The bad? Which one gets more airflow? If so why?

 

[robs90tsi]

Im sorry, but Im not sure if Im the only one here who has any idea what a conic or mushroom is?? Im assuming some sort of air filter seeing as how you said airflow????

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Mushrooms are foam and flow a gazillion times more air, but also have pretty poor filtering.

Cones are usually cotton gauze and don't flow as well but filter much better.

I'm sure the power difference is miniscule, I wouldn't run a mushroom on a daily driver that sees dusty dirty conditions.

Whatever you get, stay far far away from anything requiring oil (i.e. K&N).

 

[Staytuned]

I am firm believer in K&N....great filtration and awesome air flow. I don't get the statement above saying stay away from anything requiring oil??? Is it because of the maintenance involved with it?

 

[robs90tsi]

Mushrooms are foam and flow a gazillion times more air, but also have pretty poor filtering.

Cones are usually cotton gauze and don't flow as well but filter much better.

I'm sure the power difference is miniscule, I wouldn't run a mushroom on a daily driver that sees dusty dirty conditions.

Whatever you get, stay far far away from anything requiring oil (i.e. K&N).

Why do you say that??? I get the difference, thanks for clearing that up, but I own a K&N, and wouldnt tell anyone to not buy them, I happen to like my K&N very much .

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Where do think all that oil goes? Would you rather breathe through a dry face mask or one that was oil soaked. The oil dirties the MAF, compressor, and intercooler over time.

Although its very expensive (~$120), I'd suggest going with the APEXi Power Intake filter, its a cone with a velocity stack inlet and its a dry type.

 

[Staytuned]

I never soak my filter to death, I coat it with enough to make it pink. I have never found oil any further down my intake pipe than the filter.

 

[robs90tsi]

I never soak my filter to death, I coat it with enough to make it pink. I have never found oil any further down my intake pipe than the filter.

I do the same, your not supposed to soak the filter anyway, theres really no grounds for saying a K&N isnt a good filter to buy, have you owned one and had a bad experience???

 

[MyBeatGSX]

I'm not sure how much research or what tests you'll be able to find if you search around. But suffice it to say there's a reason AEM switched to dry type filters for their intakes and stopped using the K&N's. I'm sure because its their new thing they must have articles on their site explaining why they switched and what the advantages are.

Please keep in mind I'm not bashing K&N, ALL oiled filters suck. And yes I did own a K&N. The fact that they charge $150 for a filter and MAF adapter should show what rip offs they are.

 

[robs90tsi]

The fact that they charge $150 for a filter and MAF adapter should show what rip offs they are.

Only for 2G's .

 

[polonez]

I call bs on this. For the amount of oil that is on the filter to be going through your intake and into your turbo is very minimal.. Compared to your PCV valve, that is what is going to put oil into your intake and turbo not the K&N, The only problem I have ever seen was with over oiling which involved drenching them and running them on some very sensitive VW Mafs (tdi)
and causing them to fail. Other then that its not a problem.

Where do think all that oil goes? Would you rather breathe through a dry face mask or one that was oil soaked. The oil dirties the MAF, compressor, and intercooler over time.

Although its very expensive (~$120), I'd suggest going with the APEXi Power Intake filter, its a cone with a velocity stack inlet and its a dry type.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Call BS all you want. Ask the multi million dollar company that thought it was so worth it, they're willing to spend more on dry type filters for their intake systems without even increasing the cost to the customers.

http://www.aempower.com/

 

[97EclipseGS-T]

When I first saw this i thought it said "Chronic or Mushrooms"..HAHA, i thought this guy was going to get banned.

What? I have the oval KN filter... has the nastiest sound and definatly a great filter. The reason why AEM went with oil free is because LOTS of people use them and the warranty gets voided on their cars because of the oil. OEM filters do not use oil and are dry square pieces of flowing material (more like anti-flow) enclosed in a square play kids or rubbermaid box. So SATAN considers that voiding the L'warranty

So SATAN, scummy and low hearted as he is, says "mmm.... this guy's MAF is gone... Whooaaa, an after market oiled filter... sorry... better luck next time" or here is a funny one to joke about when its almost true... "mmm... this guy has a bad strut.... He's having a good day, bought our wonderful 2 year warranty....! there's an AEM filter in here, sorry... no can do"


FROM AEM

"NEVER OIL YOUR AIR FILTER AGAIN
AEM's DRYFLOW Synthetic filter eliminates any warranty concerns on new vehicles because there is no chance of oil traveling up the inlet path and damaging the Mass Airflow (MAF) sensor. It's also much easier to clean and since you don't have to oil after cleaning (or wait for the oil to wick), service time is cut by approximately 90%! Just soap it, rinse it, shake it dry and go!"...

After reading that above^^^ I can favor mybeatGSX because It makes sense to people with a warranty on their car (not much though) for the fact that SATAN will do/say anything to someone to spend less money on the car that is backed up with a Warranty. The thing is... you really can't diss KN and say they suck. AEM is a top company in Intake productions and they were most likely getting alot of crap from SATAN so they switched... but guess what.. what does this switch do for them?

LOTS OF Friggen $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Now that everyone heard that their car can get "damaged" because of oiled filters and their warranty can void, inorder to stay with the Name brand now they are going to spend the money for an oil free filter.

..........and here it is in their words

"ALREADY HAVE AN INTAKE? UPGRADE YOUR EXISTING FILTER!
Due to popular demand, AEM is ramping up production to make DRYFLOW Synthetic filters available to upgrade existing intake kits—whether they are AEM systems or not! CLICK HERE for a cross reference chart to upgrade your AEM intake with a DRYFLOW. CLICK HERE to use our dealer finder to buy your DRYFLOW element. A filter sizing chart to cross reference the DRYFLOW for competitor intakes is coming soon!"

And here is a smart thing they say "AEM is ramping up production to make DRYFLOW Synthetic filters available to upgrade existing intake kits—whether they are AEM systems or not!"

Now they are going to make MORE money even without their intake systems. The word will be past on to other's and because AEM is popular with this... a guy with a, lets say, KN cold air pipe is going to get it for his system.

again, you can't say KN filter's suck. The only info we have on oiled filters so far is the fact that it MAY void a warranty on a vehicle from SATAN. I'm surprised that someone from SATAN even thought of the oil as a warranty voider... alot of them are not smart like their company say. Anything aftermarket item installed in a car can void a warranty. A greddy BOV almost voided mine for gods sake. I bought my car from a Nissan dealership and luckily i worked there cleaning cars for a whole winter so I knew everyone

here is that link I got the info from

http://www.aempower.com/press_events_detail.asp?aid=58

 

[Staytuned]

The only thing they say bad about the K&N is that it doesn't filter as good untill it becomes dirty. They don't say anything about oil saturation. My guess is that AEM have started producing their own filters in house or have found a cheaper company to produce them thus increasing their profit margin instead of passing the savings onto the customer.

Companies do this....it's called making as money as you can.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

This arguement is kinda silly if AEM doesn't even produce a filter for mistu/eagle turbo applications.
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/aem_dryflow_intake_chart.pdf

unless I'm blind.

 

[bhop]

...I wouldn't run a mushroom on a daily driver that sees dusty dirty conditions....

I have used an HKS filter for 6 years with no ill effects. (I change the element when necessary of course)