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Clutch Fork Hitting the Inside of the Bell Housing- Please Help

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fourgsixthree33

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Oct 25, 2010
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95 Eagle Talon TSi FWD with 4G64 Trans

2 months ago, I did a 6 bolt swap and also installed a new 4G64 trans. After the swap, I could not get the car to go into gear at all. It was either pull the trans and shim the pivot ball or replace the master cylinder and clutch cylinder. I decided to replace the master and slave before pulling the trans just in case that was the fix. Then I wouldn't have had to pull the trans back off.

The master and slave fixed the problem. All of a sudden, Monday of this week, I randomly started to have problems getting the car in gear while driving. It was drivable and would go into gear, I just had to push it in a little harder.

Yesterday about an 1/8 mile from my work, I downshifted and couldn't get the car in gear. When I let the clutch out, the clutch stuck at the halfway point. I eventually got it in gear with some effort and pulled into my work. Once I was stopped, I tried getting it into first gear and no luck.

So after work I called Advance Auto. They had a slave cylinder but not a master. So I walked my a$$ all the way to the parts store, walked back, put the new slave in, bled the system, no luck.

Today I swapped the master. Clutch pedal feels great. No air coming out of the bleeder when I bleed it. Still won't go in gear. If I put the car in gear, push the clutch in, then start the car, then car moves as if I didn't even have the clutch pushed in.

So I looked up inside the fork hole. Noticed that my fork is sitting more towards the passenger side of the car instead of the driver side like it should be. Then I seen that the fork was making contact with the bell housing.

I adjusted the master cylinder rod in, out, and everywhere in between with no change. I am guessing the trans needs to come out. But what is causing this? Why would I need to shim the pivot ball all of a sudden? Is the issue something else?

Clutch pushed in.
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I've heard a few stories of aftermarket masters destroying clutches..

Edit: Keep your hopes up though Lol. Look on the bright side. You shouldn't have to worry about the parts you're replacing for a long time now, if ever.
 
Thats what came with the car. Then i broke the bell housing. My friend gave me another 4g64 trans for free so i didnt have to buy 4g63 2g fwd axles.

You realize the gearing in the 4G64 is different (and weaker) and that you are robbing yourself of power, right? Did you happen to change the slave when you changed this transmission?
 
I realize there are differences. I realize the trans is weaker than a 4g63 trans. I realize the axles are weaker than 2g 4g63 fwd axles. But i also realize i didnt have the money at the time to go buy a 4g63 trans. If i had it my way, i would have. I believe 1st and 2nd gear ratios are different beltween the two.

I did not use a 4g64 slave. Had no idea there would have been any differences between the slave cylinders.
 
I need to confirm the slaves are different, downloading ASA now, but the online Mitsubishi part stores seem to list them as different.
 
I have no idea. I pulled/pushed on the harmonic damper and there was no movement.

...we will pretend you didn't say this and that you are going out there with a buddy to have him press and release the clutch while you watch the pulley to see for visible movement, which you should have if it is eating up a CPS.
 
I don't have crankwalk. I have a 6 bolt (Yes, I am aware that any motor can crankwalk). So I do not have a CPS. Is my profile not updated?

No, sorry, LOL, I saw the comment about checking for walk and thought I was in the P0335 post I am also commenting in.
 
I don't know man, I just can't see how the issue could be resolved than come back...I really feel like something is going with the slave here, like it's extended too much.
 
Seems to me as if it isn't extended enough. I say this because the portion of the fork protruding from the fork hole is not being pushed far enough to the passenger side when the clutch pedal is pushed in.

Okay, I see now, you resolved the issue where the fork was pushed to the passenger side. Whatever you do stay away from an extended rod. I think you should get an OEM slave and see what happens.
 
Okay, I see now, you resolved the issue where the fork was pushed to the passenger side. Whatever you do stay away from an extended rod. I think you should get an OEM slave and see what happens.

Correct. My OEM Master Cylinder will be in tomorrow. If that is not the fix, I will try a new OEM Slave Cylinder next.
 
That slave is moving the PP more then enough to disengage the clutch. I bet your PP is bad and not letting go and has nothing to do with the slave master or fork hitting.
 
Thankfully, this weekend is supposed to be damn near 60 degrees this weekend. I have a couple other pressure plates I could try if the master cylinder does not fix anything.

I will probably remove a shim from the pivot ball if I do end up removing the transmission again.
 
3/9/13

Installed the OEM master cylinder today. Bled the system, still wouldn't go into gear. So I decided to remove the trans AGAIN and replace the clutch with an Exedy stage 1 clutch.

When I removed the pressure plate and clutch...this is what I found.

Look closely.
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So as you can see, I broke my clutch. I so wish I would have pulled the clutch off the first time I had my trans off last week. Damn thing would have been finished.

Anyway, I installed my friends Exeddy stage 1 clutch and pressure plate with less than 1K on it. It goes into gear now. My ECU and MPI relay came into the mail today as well. Didn't put them in yet as I ran out of daylight. Still have to put the UICP on, intake pipe, and other random stuff.

Old PP on bottom.
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