Carbon Fiber Intake Manifold

[RipperXX]

I agree..


SOB, I deleted the pic I made to better show the idea I posted. (I thought I already posted it!)


well I think you get the basic idea...(if you want pm me and I will draw it back out)

 

[NDgsx]

I'm not a jealous prick, and you've never seen anything I have made so don't jump to conclusions. Well first off you can't even spell KNOWLEDGE, but what makes me question your automotive knowledge is the fact that you haven't done anything to your car. Putting on a fiberglass bumper is not a test of AUTOMOTIVE knowledge, it has absolutely nothing to do with any system of a car.
Once again what mechanical engineering classes have you taken?
Thermodynamics?
Do you even have any ASE certifications?

Here is my problem, qouted from the other thread, "Leave the power parts production until after you've actually done something and have real world experience though. See the other people out here with real shops, real overhead, and actual employees have mouths to feed. Some kid that has no real experience selling half rate parts at half rate prices cuts into the bottom line. When those vendors that would be doing actual testing on their products move away from the DSM market it hurts EVERYONE. That means no new product development for those of us that are serious about our cars."

If you want to make this for your own car and try it out, go for it. That's more than cool with me, innovation is great. However if you plan on marketing this you better actually make a good product before taking away money from reputable vendors.

Here's some really easy quesions for you, if you can't actually answer them don't reply.
What effect does plenum volume have on total power production?
What effect does it have on the RPM where peak power is produced?
What is more important to the peak power RPM, plenum volume or runner length?
What is resonance tuning?

 

[kgt_rdr]

what makes you so sure he will make something crappy. first off, ASE certification is meaningless. its a peice of paper. i am not ASE certified, but i could be if i felt like paying for it and renewing it every year (or however often it is required.) also, i don't think that somebody making a intake manifold is going to take away from the other vendors, and cause the apocalypse of dsm tuning. and just because he hasn't done any performance mods to his car doesn't mean he doesn't know how to. also, if he doesn't feel like answering your questions at the end i will if you would like.

peace

ps. sorry if i came off as an ass, but i like to help the little guy whenever i can....and i just quit smoking, so im a little edgy

pss. i am very interested in this manifold, and would like to offer my help in any way possible if you would like.

 

[Morphius]

eXploitedGST - seriously, you need to learn to be more professional about this. A word of advice, don't run your mouth. I think you have something with alot of potential, but you do have alot of research and design that needs to take place. Remember that.

Originally posted by NDgsx
Once again what mechanical engineering classes have you taken?
Thermodynamics? Do you even have any ASE certifications?

Does he really need that background to succeed at this? I don't think Buschur was running FLUENT and doing computational fluid dynamics to design their sheet metal intake. More along the lines of making some base calculations for the general design and tuned and finalized on the dyno.

Originally posted by NDgsx
Here is my problem, qouted from the other thread, "Leave the power parts production until after you've actually done something and have real world experience though. See the other people out here with real shops, real overhead, and actual employees have mouths to feed. Some kid that has no real experience selling half rate parts at half rate prices cuts into the bottom line. When those vendors that would be doing actual testing on their products move away from the DSM market it hurts EVERYONE. That means no new product development for those of us that are serious about our cars."

If you want to make this for your own car and try it out, go for it. That's more than cool with me, innovation is great. However if you plan on marketing this you better actually make a good product before taking away money from reputable vendors.

I fully understand what you are getting at, but disagree to an extent. My first thought is, free enterprise. Second, the consumers will pick the best product. Thirdly, how can your statement be true for a product that isn't out there? Wouldn't this most likely spur others to pursue developing a product that competes? Do you know of a company that is currently developing product like his?

Who was the first person to come out with an aftermarket manifold? Did it stop others from developing their design? Most likely not. Too many variables can affect it and the outcome is different in every application.

Originally posted by NDgsx
Here's some really easy quesions for you, if you can't actually answer them don't reply.
What effect does plenum volume have on total power production?
What effect does it have on the RPM where peak power is produced?
What is more important to the peak power RPM, plenum volume or runner length?
What is resonance tuning?

Interesting questions. If he doesn't answer them, I hope you will! I know I'm interested in the answers.

BTW, your car is very tight. Nice work!!

 

[focusedrage]

yeah i want to hear those answers as well, i think you should jsut buckle down, make it, and dyno your car befor and after, then yould either prove your worth, or not, the sad fact is, us kids always have to do something amazsing to get old peoples attention.

 

[turbowop]

I'd be *really* surprised if anything worthy came from this kid's "company". It's one thing to run a business out of your garage but come on......he's running this one out of his parent's. One word comes to mind. Dreamland.

 

[Groomz]

Lets all put down our keyboards and let them cool off for a second....

Why did this thread turn from making an intake manifold to "Bashfest 04: Keyboard Racers and the Upstart"?

It is a free country ( at least the last time I checked ) and he is entitled to try and fail or succeed as he pleases. Maybe he won't be able to do it, but jumping on his balls and continuing to jump on them only provokes a flame war. Like I said before, go for it. Get a patent, get a company to produce it and makes alot of money, or run into problems and try something else.

 

[Sk8er07999]

I say go with it and goodluck man.

 

[RuBiCaNT5X]

Originally posted by Groomz
Lets all put down our keyboards and let them cool off for a second....

Why did this thread turn from making an intake manifold to "Bashfest 04: Keyboard Racers and the Upstart"?

It is a free country ( at least the last time I checked ) and he is entitled to try and fail or succeed as he pleases. Maybe he won't be able to do it, but jumping on his balls and continuing to jump on them only provokes a flame war. Like I said before, go for it. Get a patent, get a company to produce it and makes alot of money, or run into problems and try something else.

Yeah, no doubt... Starting a thread war about whether or not the dood is too young or not is dumb. Stick to the topic. A 3 page thread could have been 1 without all the BS...

 

[EuroGSTSpyder]

Is'nt this how many companies start out?In a garage with an idea? Sometimes it works out and the product is great and will seel like crazy meaning it will be room for development of new stuff.Sometimes not.
Is'nt it new ideas and courage to pull them off that made alot of what we have today?
One example: Jese James and his bikes.He started to build bikes casue no one built them like he wanted them to be......Gues shis first attempt wasnt all good either but look now...

I aint saying this is goodor bad..but I admire anyone trying at least!!!! Too many sit behind their keyboards and lawys know whats best..but they dont do shit in real life them selves! ( not all but many)

Ppl with new ideas and courage to try them...go for it!!

 

[NDgsx]

Originally posted by Morphius
Does he really need that background to succeed at this? I don't think Buschur was running FLUENT and doing computational fluid dynamics to design their sheet metal intake. More along the lines of making some base calculations for the general design and tuned and finalized on the dyno.

No I highly doubt it, but what Buschur did have was years and years of racing, wrenching, and part designing experience. I'm not saying that you HAVE to have a formal education to design parts. If you don't have an eduction OR real world experience though it doesn't make sense to sell products. If I had never opened a cook book before or been to culinary school I wouldn't go opening a restraunt.
I'm not saying he shouldn't make the part, by all means do it and learn from it. I'm just saying I don't think he's ready to make parts for the public, yet.

Yes I know ASE cert is easy, that's why I said "or even ASE certifications".

 

[NDgsx]

Originally posted by NDgsx
What effect does plenum volume have on total power production?
What effect does it have on the RPM where peak power is produced?
What is more important to the peak power RPM, plenum volume or runner length?
What is resonance tuning?

Larger plenum sizes tend to produce more power, but sacrifice transient response. Take a look at the nu formz (sp?) manifolds that a lot of the drag cars run, HUGE plenums.
Extremely little, unless the plenum is so small that it becomes and actual restriction.
Runner length.
Calculating the length of the runner to make the sound wave that is created when the intake valve closes to bounce off the plenum wall and return towards the intake valve as it is opening. This of course is most effective over a short rpm range, but when designed well overall as a system can make a na engine over 100% volumetrically efficent. Runner length is also why power on a dsm always peaks at around 6,500rpm with a stock intake manifold.

Don't ask me to get more technical than that, I'm not an engineer. I read the same books you guys do .

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Originally posted by NDgsx
Larger plenum sizes tend to produce more power, but sacrifice transient response. Take a look at the nu formz (sp?) manifolds that a lot of the drag cars run, HUGE plenums.
Extremely little, unless the plenum is so small that it becomes and actual restriction.
Runner length.
Calculating the length of the runner to make the sound wave that is created when the intake valve closes to bounce off the plenum wall and return towards the intake valve as it is opening. This of course is most effective over a short rpm range, but when designed well overall as a system can make a na engine over 100% volumetrically efficent. Runner length is also why power on a dsm always peaks at around 6,500rpm with a stock intake manifold.

Don't ask me to get more technical than that, I'm not an engineer. I read the same books you guys do .

Sounds to me like NDgsx knows his stuff pretty well. Seems like this "Exploiting" guy has a lot of his friends cheerleading for him as well. Im ALL for innovation, but lets be honest here... how many of you are going to purchase a product that has not been tested, tried, and true? Those of you that are hoorahing would be the first to bi*** and demand a refund when your carbon fiber intake bites the dust. Yeah, the idea is great but would receive more acclaim if from a person with KNOWLEDGE or EXPERIENCE. This is NOT old school vs new school. Fact is that OLD school has more WISEDOM and most of the s**t that new school is doing has already been tried. BTW those of you stating that this shouldn't be a bash fest should read the original post again. The original thread ASKS for peoples opinions on the product... that means taking the good WITH the BAD criticism. Who knows maybe after a couple years of trial and error Exploited just may be able to pad his pockets.