Can i reach 400whp?

[FRslimmyjim]

. Okay i will. I think im going to just get the ms3 so i don't have to worry about it and a inovate wideband and some pte 880s. If i only have 205 i can't wait for 250 or 275!! Thank you so much glowryder. I am probably going to message you with more questions eventually if that cool with you I really appreciate everything that you have told me. Thanks

 

[glowryder]

GL! iMO, poke around here some more, Search and you shall see ; )

get that crank scraper early. Search Ishaihara crank scraper, talk to Kevin, great guy, tellem Cody Sent ya. lead time on his art is about ~4 weeks or more. so order it soon.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Megasquirt looks hard to install and i have heard it creates alot of problems. Also i heard it was very hard to tune properly. The portfueler is simple If i get a megasquirt which one should i get? and also how long does it take to put it in? Keep in mind i actually do have mechanical talent This tuning stuff is very new to me though and i have been spending my whole life on these forums reading. If i go with megasquirt what size injectors should i go with?? Is getting megasquirt going to destroy my reliability and make it a b%#$h to drive it daily. Its my only car

Tuning is tuning, it's the same with PortFueler, as it is with MegaSquirt, as it is with any other EMS. If you buy your MegaSquirt system from a reputable vendor that specializes in the 420A application, and you install it (or have it installed) correctly, you won't have any reliability issues. You can even install it to control just the fuel injectors; that way it's doing exactly what PortFueler does, but you'll have the option to take advantage of controlling the ignition later.

MSNS (go with ms3 if your going to do it) 800 with bells and whistles and harness

"MSnS" isn't a thing anymore. It refers to an outdated version of the MS1 firmware. I would call it "MS" or "MegaSquirt" to avoid confusion.

Thats why i suggested to go MS3 and not worry. It also alows you to run Low Z injectors and seqential. Good things.

MS3 by itself doesn't give you sequential fuel injection, but MS3 with the MS3X expansion board does. The injector drivers on the MS3X expansion board can only drive high-Z injectors, though.

 

[glowryder]

Yes tuning is tuning, But PF cant do 1/8 the things that MS can.. MS is the way to go. PF is outdated and really for a "friendlier" install. MS can be daunting. IMO the way i install is clean, i like to start with things out.. some dont. So its personal Preff on how "clean" you want the install, the cleaner it is, typically the more work..

Paul knows MS. i dont know the simantics of all the MS versions.. But MS is MS .. I would suggest Seqential, so if it takes the MS3X, do it. plus i think you get addtional Outputs..

Im stuck With MS2 with Extras.. id love to voncert, but i think it would require a harness swap...: ?

 

[FRslimmyjim]

Wait! The expansion board? No sequential injectors?

 

[glowryder]

The expansion board goves you extras, like the ability to use seqential injection vs standard batch fire. Id personally suggest it, i mean , why not, your already investing, why not get the best? But figure this out before you get injectors, as their impeadance (Z) will be dictated by how your MS is configured. Like stated above, If you go seqential, youll have to run High Z injectors..

I think thats differnt from the Jean board, but thats not important here.

Ps when we say seqential, were not talking about adding Injectors, you will run 4. its the seqence in how the deliver fuel.

 

[Tiki2777]

Glow shift gauges are for ricers. they are just not reliable or accurate enuf for the performance world. If you had a stock car you wanted cute gauges on, then they would be fine. Im not even sure glowshifts wideband has an output. Your wide band will need to communicate with Megasquirt to run.

Get Inovate Wideband.
Get autometer for everything else. Stay away from glowshit. bulky senders and un reliable. again, this is a big investment, make sure you have good tools to monitor it.

This has been covered more than once, Glowshift gauges use the same materials as any other company (AEM, DEFI, Autometer etc.) and work just as accurately as any other gauge. When they first started, they used crap, now they don't.

As for Wideband, definitely get an Innovate. I don't know how GS WB compares, but my take is since the innovates are better than AEMs, they are the best to stick with (especially for logging).

 

[glowryder]

"This has been covered more than once, Glowshift gauges use the same materials as any other company (AEM, DEFI, Autometer etc.) and work just as accurately as any other gauge. When they first started, they used crap, now they don't."

Prove It. not sure why a company would cut their profit margin to give better quality when their subpar quality was accepted by most who dodnt know any better and just want colorful guages (ricers).. one would think their prices would increase, or IF they were smarter, they would make another branch or Line for performance use and market them as "more accurate" and therefore charge more..

Did you do an anylisis yourself? Because, i can tell you from EXPERIANCE, The last set of guages a customer brought me to install ( 3 weeks ago) did NOT work the same as my autometters. IF they were the same parts, then tell me.. why are the senders differnt? The guage internals may be the same, but what drives them are the senders.. His oil pressure would be differnt every time, and some times 0, when it should be ~18 Psi. I wouldnt consider that accurate. not to mention how the guages bounce.. its as iff they are taking readings at a slower freqnency then other brands that are smoother, like AEM or autometer. Again, probably due to the sender.. same thing with his fuel pressure.. ## telling me fuel pressure at idle bounces 5-10 PSI? (wally, stock feed, 1:1: Aeromotive FPR, -6AN return line)..B.c no it shouldnt.

And side note, he had to send the gauge back and they gave him a new one thats not much better.. I think they have a resolution issue, perhaps they can read things in the uper half of the thermistor range better then lower, but to me, desing flaw, IE why its junk.

I can agree, that things like Mechanical boost gauges, are pretty hard to screw up, so yes glowshift could be just as good as any other, in that sence.. other wise. Its Junk. Untill some one can Disect them and acutally compare internal part numbers, and verify they are the same, and its a repackage deal, then going off a "few" peoples idea isnt what i would trust.If some one alreadyhas, then i missed it and you should post up a link to the proof.. Im just not willing to take some ones "word" and trust my XX,000$ Investment to some 50$ guages..

OP, your car, your money,Use what you want, youve been warned, or should i say educated.

 

[Tiki2777]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tuning-engine-management/412253-glowshift-gauges-good-bad.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/415461-glowshift-gauges.html

If that doesn't do it for ya, not my problem.

To each his own.

 

[glowryder]

Do you know what proof means?
I guess not..

1 guys opinion in the 1st post, and 3 of them even posted they had accuracy issues .. Not helping your case..

and post 2 again, had more ppl with problems.. and no proof excet from some dude who says "pretty much the same"..

Also note, none of the cars that are Higher HP in any of those posts.. use Glow shift. Its pretty bad when your supporting evidance features posts like "my glowshift arrived 100% dead.."

Heres more food for thought

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/appearance-interior-exterior/343248-anyone-use-glowshift-gauges.html

OP do what you want. In my experiance ( only been doing this for ~10 yrs , no biggie) glow shift is crap and it ###### wont change. they sell quantity, thats why they are so cheap. I agree, best "bang for the buck", as they are cheap, and they work. But how well is the Key.. base your purchase of application.. this isnt an "opinion", or a "to each their own" these are facts when your building something..


also keep in mind, unlike the GST/GSX guys.. you wont have a Stock computer backing you up.. so they could really care less about accuracy, as long as the ECU has their back.. You wont have that option, you/your tuner will have to rely on these to make sure your runnning right. So maybe in the gst/gsx world their version of "accurate" is differnt then ours. Idk , GL. another reason the 4g6x guys should keep thier noses outa the NT forums .. rolls eyes

 

[fast420a83]

And you dont need cams and cam gears..blah blah blah to hit 400whp. Just beef up the bottom end, and the rest is in the tune!.. A stock head will be fine. Ask Bill Hahn. He knows.

 

[glowryder]

yea.... GL with that

ask bill hahn, and recive a responce 10 weeks later .

I imagine your car is a 400 whp beast fast420a?

to keep TDC actual on a milled head, and with a mech tensioner, its a great idea to get Adj gears and use the DCR timing method... I dont think Hahn ever dynoed? You could scrap some off the list sure.

Fast . reliable. cheap . pick 2. im not sure why everyone is trying to undermine a solid build? If he wants a dyno queen, then by all means dump half that. That list will get you there, give you head room and youll be able to sleep at night not worring about breaking something. Oh well Gl.

alot of poneering has been done since bill exited the scene along time ago.. Just saying..

 

[Fotowntalon]

And you dont need cams and cam gears..blah blah blah to hit 400whp. Just beef up the bottom end, and the rest is in the tune!.. A stock head will be fine. Ask Bill Hahn. He knows.

Possible, yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. Its also possible to hit 10s without an LSD, but why make things more difficult? General rule of thumb, the block is for the strength, the head is for the hp.

 

[Tiki2777]

Well I guess you can't read

H4G64T:
"GlowShift gauges use to actually be SPW gauges a few years back. They were garbage. However, GlowShift has changed manufacturers and now uses the same manufacturers as some of the most recommended gauges on this site.

My business is an authorized GlowShift dealer, installer and repairer. We have done some extensive testing side-by-side with other gauge manufacturers. I will tell you that they are as accurate as those other companies.

Make the decision based on what you like. Gauges now-a-days are pretty much identical when it comes to electronic components, eventually even the discount companies catch up in quality as the better components become cheaper (think about computers now compared to the 90s)."

If you need any more Proof than that, talk to him (or actually read the thread). Stop flaming.

 

[glowryder]

I will.. and agian, not flaming. i simply said, if you want ASSURED quality.. then buy it. Glowshift isnt "assured" quality..

 

[99 gs iowa]

i am the guy that "glowryder" is talking bout that tried these "good gauges that are way cheaper"(glowshift) well i gave it a shoot, an well these gauges are absolutely junk and have tried several of them, the bet place to get gauges is on jbautosports.com, quality gauges such as aem and others for a decent price

 

[FRslimmyjim]

just to prove your point glowryder. My glowshift oil pressure gauge hasn't worked from the beginning so im just junking all of them and getting AEM oil pressure and innovate wideband. Never again will i buy glowshift. Yea they are cool with the colors and shit but i would prefer horsepower and accuracy anyday.