broken crank pulley???

[9!'clipseDOHC]

It's like boots and sandals. They're both footwear, but they're not the same thing.

A harmonic damper is neutrally balanced and is there to reduce torsional vibrations. A harmonic balancer does this as well, but it's also counterweighted specifically to balance out the rotating assembly on externally balanced engines. If you mix them up on an engine, you could be in trouble. So it's worth distinguishing the difference in discussion as well.

Ok, thank you Paul for the explanation. I have always heard the terms used interchangeably so I figured they were one in the same.

So it's like how we don't have lifters, we have lash adjusters, but everyone always calls them lifters.

However if you call a lash adjuster a lifter (Since the terms are used interchangeably even though they are not the same thing) nobody calls you ignorant.

Again it's not a harmonic balancer, it is a harmonic damper. I just explained this a few posts up. So ignorance is not an excuse.

In fact, in this thread, [RESOLVED] performance crank pulley, Ludachirs and Defiant both refer to the 4G63 crank pulley as a harmonic balancer and recommend replacing it with an OEM Mitsubishi one and no one calls them ignorant.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

I think thats a good point to hit home. The stock dampener is made to remove natural vibrations the motor has at a given RPM. If you dont run an oem, say you run a solid pulley, it cant remove those, and the crank specifically goes through more stress. As Mike said above, getting an ATI or Fluidampr removes all vibrations and is a much better choice. OEM wouldnt be bad either though for a stock car.

 

[SpawnedX]

Ok, thank you Paul for the explanation. I have always heard the terms used interchangeably so I figured they were one in the same.

So it's like how we don't have lifters, we have lash adjusters, but everyone always calls them lifters.

However if you call a lash adjuster a lifter (Since the terms are used interchangeably even though they are not the same thing) nobody calls you ignorant.



In fact, in this thread, [RESOLVED] performance crank pulley, Ludachirs and Defiant both refer to the 4G63 crank pulley as a harmonic balancer and recommend replacing it with an OEM Mitsubishi one and no one calls them ignorant.

No one called you ignorant. I guarantee you, you do not want to get in a word shootout with me.

You were told ignorance is not an excuse, which means you can't claim to have not known when the proof was in the pudding a couple of posts back with a clear explanation. If anything I called you out on blatant disregard, not ignorance.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

No one called you ignorant. I guarantee you, you do not want to get in a word shootout with me.

You were told ignorance is not an excuse, which means you can't claim to have not known when the proof was in the pudding a couple of posts back with a clear explanation. If anything I called you out on blatant disregard, not ignorance.

A word shootout? You are ridiculous.

To the OP, If you call up your Mitsubishi dealership, or any site vender, or anyone auto parts store for that matter and order a harmonic balancer, or a harmonic damper, or a crank pulley damper, or a crankshaft damper for your your car, you will get the part that you need. I guarantee that no one will ask you if you meant to say a damper or a balancer unless they are just looking to get into a word shootout with you.

I hope that I have helped you in some manner. Good luck with your pulley.

 

[SpawnedX]

A word shootout? You are ridiculous.

To the OP, If you call up your Mitsubishi dealership, or any site vender, or anyone auto parts store for that matter and order a harmonic balancer, or a harmonic damper, or a crank pulley damper, or a crankshaft damper for your your car, you will get the part that you need. I guarantee that no one will ask you if you meant to say a damper or a balancer unless they are just looking to get into a word shootout with you.

I hope that I have helped you in some manner. Good luck with your pulley.

Oh, because you will get the same part because they know what you meant, means you shouldn't be bothered to learn the true difference and call the part by it's correct name.

This is what is wrong with people, instead of taking the correct information to expand on their knowledge, they look for ways to continue to be lazy and indifferent.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Oh, because you will get the same part because they know what you meant, means you shouldn't be bothered to learn the true difference and call the part by it's correct name.

This is what is wrong with people, instead of taking the correct information to expand on their knowledge, they look for ways to continue to be lazy and indifferent.

Are you calling Ludachris and Defiant lazy and indifferent as well, because they have also referred to the crank pulley as a harmonic balancer on the thread that I posted above.

It's really not worth the added stress and vibration on your crank. Do a harmonic balancer, either stock or the Fluidampr. If the car comes with a harmonic balancer, the rule of thumb is usually to keep using one.

Good god. Get on the phone and call any of our sponsors. Just get the factory HB. It's proven, and cheap.

 

[SpawnedX]

Are you calling Ludachris and Defiant lazy and indifferent as well, because they have also referred to the crank pulley as a harmonic balancer on the thread that I posted above.

How about you post the dates they said those things? I have no idea what Ludachris or Defiant now calls it. They aren't in those post. Stop deflecting from you not being man enough to admit you are wrong.

If they do call it a harmonic balancer still than fine...

Chris, Defiant, it's a damper not a balancer. Stop being lazy and indifferent.

Tool.

 

[dsm-onster]

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Back on topic.

The only "authoritative" source for the use, or lack of use, of a damped pulley mentioned here is a vendor that sells undamped pullies. Fluidamper says the opposite: a vendor for damped pullies. Score = even

***Mitsu has more to gain by not running one with ALL of their 4cylinder motors, even the shorter stroke 1.6T. Yet one is installed from the factory.***

Score = +1 use a damper.

 

[SpawnedX]

The real point on what dsm-onster is saying is that no matter who ends up being wrong or right, being cautious and safe by using a dampened pulley and just turning the boost up, is the wise choice.

 

[dsm-onster]

Spawned, THAT I agree with . And it's something that always needs to be understood. Cautiousness is the name of the game when building a powerhouse. Period. Which choice is more cautious?

 

[Ludachris]

No one called you ignorant. I guarantee you, you do not want to get in a word shootout with me.

You were told ignorance is not an excuse, which means you can't claim to have not known when the proof was in the pudding a couple of posts back with a clear explanation. If anything I called you out on blatant disregard, not ignorance.

Seems like a minor enough mistake to not make a huge deal about it. Fluidampr thought enough to mention it on their site:
Fluidampr® Torsional Vibration page.

It's probably as common as the use of these terms: "header" and "manifold". Though I love seeing people educate others on the correct use of the term, I don't know that the continued badgering is necessary, at least not in this thread - and it's definitely not something that warrants a "word shootout".

And yes, I'd agree, use a dampened pulley. It's cheap insurance.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

How about you post the dates they said those things? I have no idea what Ludachris or Defiant now calls it. They aren't in those post. Stop deflecting from you not being man enough to admit you are wrong.

If they do call it a harmonic balancer still than fine...

Chris, Defiant, it's a damper not a balancer. Stop being lazy and indifferent.

Tool.

The real point on what dsm-onster is saying is that no matter who ends up being wrong or right, being cautious and safe by using a dampened pulley and just turning the boost up, is the wise choice.

On post #26, back on the first page, I noted that the pulley attached to the crankshaft was indeed called a harmonic damper.

Ok, thank you Paul for the explanation. I have always heard the terms used interchangeably so I figured they were one in the same.

I wasn't arguing that it was called a harmonic balancer, even though that is what I had referred to it as.

 

[dsm-onster]

damn, earlier today I asked my kid to pass me the "balancer". I know better but I just slipped up. . . Who cares, for he knew to what I was referring and I got the right part in my hand without having to get out of my indianstyle stance and drop the air ratchet.

 

[SpawnedX]

Fired.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

damn, earlier today I asked my kid to pass me the "balancer". I know better but I just slipped up. . . Who cares, for he knew to what I was referring and I got the right part in my hand without having to get out of my indianstyle stance and drop the air ratchet.

And you call yourself a wiseman.

Lol, just teasing.

 

[dsm-onster]

I know NOTHING about anything. . . "Conventional wisemen talk is rediculous."

Yes I fired my son of 7 years age. . . But I couldn't handle the crying and hired him back. Something about tampons and date advice from Spawned made me rethink everything