Boosting vs. Not Boosting and advanced Crankwalk prevention techniques.

[EdwardNorth]

Hey all,

I wanted to get some opinions on this. Since my Talon is my daily driver, I try to stay out of boost as much as possible. 99% of the time that I DO boost, I only do it intentionally. I generally rev up to between 2500-3000 RPM before I shift, while staying between 1-5 in. of vacuum on my boost gauge. My shift points are normally --

1st-2nd -- 10-15 mph
2nd-3rd -- 25 mph
3rd-4th -- 38-40 mph
4th-5th -- 45 mph

I understand that the 4G63 is a tough, reliable engine, but what I want to know is, how much further can you extend the life of your engine, crank, tranny, and everything else by being this gentle?

Now, as far as crankwalk is concerned, it seems to me that the number one factor in the equation is the clutch. From all I've read here and elsewhere, upgrading your clutch has more of an impact than any other upgrade for inducing crankwalk. However, even though I have the stock clutch, I want to get your opinions on my technique --

What I do is simply avoid keeping the clutch pressed down as much as possible. If I'm slowing down for a light, I put it in neutral and release the clutch, just relying on my brake to stop me. When I shift during daily driving, I try to make it as smooth and gentle as possible -- more specifically, I start releasing the gas a split second before I depress the clutch, and then after shifting I will press on the gas just a tad to "catch the revs" and stop them right at the point they will be at anyway in the next gear, and then slowly release the clutch.

So what do YOU do with your cars when driving normally to make them last, and what ideas do YOU have for driving technique to avoid inducing crankwalk?

Thanks guys, I look forward to the replies!

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Stop driving that car like a pansy. Don't be paranoid about CW either. Enjoy the car!!. No don't beat on it but hell at least take advantage of what you have. Your Technique sounds like it takes too much thinking to do. Anyway.... I have come up with the same conclusions as you as far as clutch being a huge factor in CW. I too find myself trying not to hold the clutch in at lights and when i don't need to. You can also disconnect your clutch safety switch so you don't have to push your clutch to start.

As gentle as you are on that car your car should last until the they make hwys in the sky.

 

[hostile]

Crank walk has nothing to do with boost anyways. So basically your probably not going to extend the life of your motor.

 

[EdwardNorth]

I DO enjoy the car as it was meant to be enjoyed, every now and then. I spent a fairly hefty sum on my Talon to get one in great condition with rediculously low mileage, and as a result I would like this car to last me for at least the next 10 years with no major repairs. (Yes I know it's a DSM and not a Honda, but that shouldn't stop me from trying, right?) I'd say right now the breakdown is 97% "pansy" driving and 3% "spirited" driving.

Anyway, I do the same thing at lights, since the clutch is out when I'm slowing anyway, I leave it out until the light is about to turn green.

As far as not boosting and slow acceleration goes, I guess my theory is that slow accelerating = slower crankshaft "spooling up" = less stress on both the engine and crank alltogether. (Engine because no boost = less stress = less work.)

Thanks for the replies!

 

[Eliminat0r]

explain to me how you manage to leave the clutch out and slow down long enough to where the light is green by the time you get to it, without getting bitched at and honked at.

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by Eliminat0r
explain to me how you manage to leave the clutch out and slow down long enough to where the light is green by the time you get to it, without getting bitched at and honked at.

Neutral

 

[midnght]

I would venture to say that the crank turning is not what you need to worry about. It is the crank turning while force is being pressed on the side from the clutch.

 

[greenmachine97]

that is exactly how i drive my car too. i get on it when i need to, but never any more than i have too. i feel bad for her, when i run her that hard! so dont feel bad, i am a pansy too. that was already stated in another thread today.:laugh:

 

[midnght]

So you guys are not going to do any upgraded power mods then right?

If you think you are pushing your car hard now, wait till you strap it to a dyno and hear it screaming with JOY that you finally let it "Get Some!!" When I step on the gas and the boost hits hard it feels like I am going to tear the car apart. Feels like the front half is going to just shit out from the rear seats back.


They can take alot of abuse. Just not repeated. Keep her properly maintained and you will enjoy it more.

 

[greenmachine97]

nope, i definately have current engine mods now! check the profile. i am waiting on cash for the turbo upgrade and fmic. i just dont like to abuse it more than i need to. i drive it hard enough to enjoy it but nothing past. why should i? i am having plenty of fun with it. and plan on having more fun with more power when i get it.

 

[midnght]

Originally posted by greenmachine97
why should i? i am having plenty of fun with it.

That is all that matters. When you get that turbo in and tuned, you will be loving life.

 

[Eliminat0r]

Originally posted by TurBoGs-T
Neutral

iw as emphasizing on the how do you do that without getting honked and bitched at!

 

[TurBoGs-T]

I think you are thinking about it a different way. You think he means he is slowly slowly creeping up until the light turns green. He just sits there with the car completely in neutral. When it's time to go he puts it in gear. I think alot of us just keep it in gear and just hold the clutch in the whole time.

 

[paranoidTSi]

Well I believe in the theory about the oil squirters it seems quite legit..if this is the case it doesn't matter how much you boost that thrust bearing will fail if your car happens to suffer from it. If anything OIL would seem to be the big issue.

Its interesting to see everyone use 10W-30 yet I've been recommended by shops and a tech manual to run 5W-30.

 

[boostedinaz]

Put your purse down and drive the car.

If you are worried about it braking down then return it to stock and seel it to your grandma. Shit is going to happen no matter what, so just have a good time driving it. If you worry all the time then have a performance oriented car is not for you. I beat my car here and there and it still fires up in the morning and gets to were I need to go, not to mention you cant undo what ever the other owners have done to it.

Michael

 

[EdwardNorth]

Originally posted by boostedinaz
Put your purse down and drive the car.

If you are worried about it braking down then return it to stock and seel it to your grandma. Shit is going to happen no matter what, so just have a good time driving it. If you worry all the time then have a performance oriented car is not for you. I beat my car here and there and it still fires up in the morning and gets to were I need to go, not to mention you cant undo what ever the other owners have done to it.

Michael

So let me get this straight -- in your mind, if you own a performance vehicle, you are REQUIRED to drive it hard wherever you go?

I *DO* have a good time driving it, thanks. If somebody "worries all the time" as you put it, they will be alot less likely to let something happen to their car than someone who beats on it all day every day. True that you can't undo what previous owners did, but being that the car had 11,400 miles on it when I bought it 2 months ago, and looks, feels, and even smells like a brand new car, I think it's a good candidate for lasting the next 10 years.

WTF, just because I don't drive like you doesn't mean I should sell my car. I baby my '94 RX-7 even more than the Talon! I guess I should sell that one too, eh skippy?

Give me a break.

 

[EdwardNorth]

Originally posted by TurBoGs-T
I think you are thinking about it a different way. You think he means he is slowly slowly creeping up until the light turns green. He just sits there with the car completely in neutral. When it's time to go he puts it in gear. I think alot of us just keep it in gear and just hold the clutch in the whole time.

Exactly.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

They built the car from the factory to make boost....at decent levels youll be fine...its what the car was designed to do. Boosting alot more than stock and doing it all the time is wehat will wear the engine and give you crappy mileage.
Andrew

 

[boostedinaz]

Originally posted by EdwardNorth
So let me get this straight -- in your mind, if you own a performance vehicle, you are REQUIRED to drive it hard wherever you go?

I *DO* have a good time driving it, thanks. If somebody "worries all the time" as you put it, they will be alot less likely to let something happen to their car than someone who beats on it all day every day. True that you can't undo what previous owners did, but being that the car had 11,400 miles on it when I bought it 2 months ago, and looks, feels, and even smells like a brand new car, I think it's a good candidate for lasting the next 10 years.

WTF, just because I don't drive like you doesn't mean I should sell my car. I baby my '94 RX-7 even more than the Talon! I guess I should sell that one too, eh skippy?

Give me a break.

I never said that you had to beat it all the time, read the post again and it says that I beat my car here and there. Just by the fact that you posted this shows that you worry about the car and its condition. I know alot of people that do and say things like what was posted. "race this Mustang." "I cant i dont want to it just hurts the car" Then the miles thing comes into to play. Lets go to California for the weekend. It either turns out to be that my car has to low miles and I dont want to add them up, or it has to many and you dont want to add more. If you just take care of it and do regular maintenance then it will last for along time. My buddy has a $hit load of passes on his 97 Z28 with 80,000 on the clock and it doesnt even smoke. Again, just drive it and dont worry. I know that i would never own an RX7 becasue of the way I drive and I wouldnt want to worry about it.

If you ask a question then be ready for answers you may not like. I love when people get bent out of shape when people tell them what they dont want to here.

Michael


P.S. You and your dog may like peanut butter but dont use it to make ghey pet names for me, skippy.

 

[EdwardNorth]

Originally posted by boostedinaz
If you ask a question then be ready for answers you may not like. I love when people get bent out of shape when people tell them what they dont want to here.

Michael


P.S. You and your dog may like peanut butter but dont use it to make ghey pet names for me, skippy.

No, you started off your reply by telling me to "put my purse down". Then you told me I should sell my car! I didn't have a problem with anything else you or any other person in this thread said. Like I said in towards the top of the thread, I DO put my Talon through it's paces every now and then. But I started this thread to talk about SPECIFIC TECHNIQUES to make the car last and to fend off crankwalk. I did NOT start this thread asking to be insulted or even critiqued by people like you for the way I drive most of the time.

If you start off with insults, I will always respond in the same manner. So if you don't like your pet name, then grow up and contribute to the thread, and keep the smart-ass comments to yourself.

 

[boostedinaz]

Originally posted by EdwardNorth
I did NOT start this thread asking to be insulted or even critiqued by people like you for the way I drive most of the time.

The first post asked what we thought of the way your drive. That asked for us to critique you so quit crying. Next everyone know that good maintnance will do alot more for a car than driving a certain way. You knew the answer to your question when you asked it in the first place. Yes driving liek that will help the logevitiy of the motor so will not driving it at all or changing the oil every 200 miles, but it all comes down to personal prefrence. I have never liked it when people guy a car and never use it for the what it should be used for. I see people that have huge lifted trucks that have never seen a dirt road, superfast cars that have never been on a track, and show cars that live in garages not car shows. I dont see the point in having a car, like a sports car, and worrying about if it breaks. If you drive like a jackass then you car will fall apart regardless. If you take care of it then it will take care of you. This all comes down to common sense.

This is what I said in the first post, and what many people said before me, just drive it and take care of it. Its that easy. just because I told you to put down your purse you get all huffy. Well, sorry you cant take a joke, skippy.

Michael

 

[96whitetalon]

hey edwardnorth, if you dont mind me asking what did you pay for your talon. I cant belive it only has 11,XXX miles on it

 

[EdwardNorth]

Originally posted by boostedinaz
The first post asked what we thought of the way your drive. That asked for us to critique you so quit crying.

No, my post did NOT ask what you thought of the way I drive. My post asked for thoughts on SPECIFIC TECHNIQUES. That's IT. PERIOD. Read my post again, junior.

Next everyone know that good maintnance will do alot more for a car than driving a certain way. You knew the answer to your question when you asked it in the first place. Yes driving liek that will help the logevitiy of the motor so will not driving it at all or changing the oil every 200 miles, but it all comes down to personal prefrence.

You need to read my first post again and PAY ATTENTION. I did not ask about maintenance. I asked about specific techniques. Don't make me quote my own damn post.

I have never liked it when people guy a car and never use it for the what it should be used for. I see people that have huge lifted trucks that have never seen a dirt road, superfast cars that have never been on a track, and show cars that live in garages not car shows. I dont see the point in having a car, like a sports car, and worrying about if it breaks.

I really don't care what you do and do not like. Those are your issues, not mine. Besides, I've already said twice in this thread that I use the Talon, on occasion, in the manner it was designed for. Do you have an attention deficit problem of some sort?

If you drive like a jackass then you car will fall apart regardless. If you take care of it then it will take care of you. This all comes down to common sense.

Gee, ya think?

This is what I said in the first post, and what many people said before me, just drive it and take care of it. Its that easy. just because I told you to put down your purse you get all huffy. Well, sorry you cant take a joke, skippy.

No you DIDN'T say that in your first post. Here it is --

Put your purse down and drive the car.

If you are worried about it braking down then return it to stock and seel it to your grandma. Shit is going to happen no matter what, so just have a good time driving it. If you worry all the time then have a performance oriented car is not for you. I beat my car here and there and it still fires up in the morning and gets to were I need to go, not to mention you cant undo what ever the other owners have done to it.

Michael

Where do you say that in your first post? I don't see it. You start off the very first post you've ever made to me with insults and stupid remarks, and you expect me to think you're joking? Do you know me personally or something, where you can come off as an a-hole and expect me to think you're joking? A joke is not telling someone you've never talked to before to "put down the purse, return the car to stock, and sell it to your grandma" in your first 2 sentences.

 

[Eliminat0r]

Originally posted by EdwardNorth
No, you started off your reply by telling me to "put my purse down". Then you told me I should sell my car! I didn't have a problem with anything else you or any other person in this thread said. Like I said in towards the top of the thread, I DO put my Talon through it's paces every now and then. But I started this thread to talk about SPECIFIC TECHNIQUES to make the car last and to fend off crankwalk. I did NOT start this thread asking to be insulted or even critiqued by people like you for the way I drive most of the time.

If you start off with insults, I will always respond in the same manner. So if you don't like your pet name, then grow up and contribute to the thread, and keep the smart-ass comments to yourself.

look at it this was buddy you cant prevent cw cause noone knows precisely what causes it, but theres one thing some people do know 97's cw more than any other. so you better watch out, so next time youre driving along and take a left turn and your clutch goes in, stop and think for a second you might have CW! :laugh:

 

[boostedinaz]

In my first post i said to just drive it and have a good time. You can read again. As far as my attention that has nothign to do witht he fact that I am not the only one who told you to quit driving like a pansy. Like you said I dont know you and you gaot mad well thatis not my problem it is yours. we can go back and forth all day long but I dont have the time nor do I give to shits about it. All I wanted to do was point out that you already knew the answer to your question but for some reason watd other to chime in and make you feel better. Also like me and other, keyword others, said was to not worry about and just drive. I am sure it bother others when people dont drive there vehicle like it was intended. You said you do 3% of the time so good for you and you should have know that it wasnt pointed directly at you since you seem to be quit astute. I will leave you and your non beaten car to your day. You proved me wrong so I am sure it will be a great one.

Michael