Big turbo or small turbo?

[DSM IN MN]

It has come down to this decision. I need ideas because I honestly do not know.

I have a friend with a E.3 16g; it's real, I checked the numbers. He wants $250 for it. I know 16g's are great turbos. MAYBE people use them.

I also know of places I can get an HX35 for close to the same price. Hell, I have another friend with a Borg Warner he was interested in selling for $300.

Now as for the 16g, it does not take MUCH to run it. It is close to factory but it will do work. However, when I DO want to upgrade to a HX35 or Borg Warner of some sort, then I have to spend the extra money for that turbo, and either a hot-side or a manifold.

If it is really needed, I can post the list of parts I plan on using.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Well what are your goals for the car, and supporting mods for either turbo. Holsets, need proper feed, and drainage.

 

[miguelmcv]

Get a big turbo..
Re sell it, and buy the evo..
You will have a good setup and money in your pucket, to do some upgrades for future upgrade turbo..

 

[ILL122]

EVO III turbo is great for 300-375 hp on Stockish setup and is very streetable. The HX35 as mentioned above requires hotside or manifold and feed and return provisions. You wont be able to take great advantage of the holset without good fuel mods and a set of cams would really help open things up too. My HX35 opened up at about 3800 with t3. I think with the dsm housing spools quicker but you might loose some on top end. The 16g will spool up a little quicker but the HX35 will be there for you on the topend. The holset will cost you more in the end but could be worth it if your looking for mor than the 350hp range.

 

[92AWDHX40]

I had the evo loved it, got a 18g now, next will be a holset possilby hx 40 on when i get the tsi.

When i get the tsi.

 

[DSM IN MN]

Well what are your goals for the car, and supporting mods for either turbo. Holsets, need proper feed, and drainage.

Something I can drive around then take to the strip. Have some fun on the streets with it. Horsepower goal is at the minumum 400-450. The max would have to be 700. Even that is a long-shot.

Well right now I have (not installed), Walbro 255HPlph, Aeromotive Compact FPR, HKS 272/264 cams.. Then just little things like a TiAL 38mm, Egay intercooler (I do not plan on keeping).

The plans would include a 2.3L stroker, BC 280 cams or 272 cams (Delta regrinds of Kelfords maybe. Or hell, maybe real Kelfords). 2xxxcc injectors, DW 300lhp pump...you get the idea.

Something I can drive around then take to the strip. Have some fun on the streets with it. Horsepower goal is at the minumum 400-450. The max would have to be 700. Even that is a long-shot.

Well right now I have (not installed), Walbro 255HPlph, Aeromotive Compact FPR, HKS 272/264 cams.. Then just little things like a TiAL 38mm, Egay intercooler (I do not plan on keeping).

The plans would include a 2.3L stroker, BC 280 cams or 272 cams (Delta regrinds of Kelfords maybe. Or hell, maybe real Kelfords). 2xxxcc injectors, DW 300lhp pump...you get the idea.

Get a big turbo..
Re sell it, and buy the evo..
You will have a good setup and money in your pucket, to do some upgrades for future upgrade turbo..

So get a HX35 for like $300, then sell it, buy the E.3, then upgrade to a HX later on...? I am not quite understanding why I would want to do that.

Something I can drive around then take to the strip. Have some fun on the streets with it. Horsepower goal is at the minumum 400-450. The max would have to be 700. Even that is a long-shot.

Well right now I have (not installed), Walbro 255HPlph, Aeromotive Compact FPR, HKS 272/264 cams.. Then just little things like a TiAL 38mm, Egay intercooler (I do not plan on keeping).

The plans would include a 2.3L stroker, BC 280 cams or 272 cams (Delta regrinds of Kelfords maybe. Or hell, maybe real Kelfords). 2xxxcc injectors, DW 300lhp pump...you get the idea.





So get a HX35 for like $300, then sell it, buy the E.3, then upgrade to a HX later on...? I am not quite understanding why I would want to do that.

EVO III turbo is great for 300-375 hp on Stockish setup and is very streetable. The HX35 as mentioned above requires hotside or manifold and feed and return provisions. You wont be able to take great advantage of the holset without good fuel mods and a set of cams would really help open things up too. My HX35 opened up at about 3800 with t3. I think with the dsm housing spools quicker. The 16g will spool up a little quicker but the HX35 will be there for you on the topend. The holset will cost you more in the end but could be worth it if your looking for mor than the 350hp range.

I understand the need for the hot-side change or a manifold; that is why I mentioned it in the OP. I was planning on finding a cheap twin-scroll manifold. Or just turn to maybe a local welder and have them make me one.

I understand the injector size needs to be larger (I plan on going for 2xxx's, on E85 and all). The cams I have might be too small. But for the deal I got on them, all I would have to do is buy another 272 from HKS.

Something I can drive around then take to the strip. Have some fun on the streets with it. Horsepower goal is at the minumum 400-450. The max would have to be 700. Even that is a long-shot.

Well right now I have (not installed), Walbro 255HPlph, Aeromotive Compact FPR, HKS 272/264 cams.. Then just little things like a TiAL 38mm, Egay intercooler (I do not plan on keeping).

The plans would include a 2.3L stroker, BC 280 cams or 272 cams (Delta regrinds of Kelfords maybe. Or hell, maybe real Kelfords). 2xxxcc injectors, DW 300lhp pump...you get the idea.





So get a HX35 for like $300, then sell it, buy the E.3, then upgrade to a HX later on...? I am not quite understanding why I would want to do that.





I understand the need for the hot-side change or a manifold; that is why I mentioned it in the OP. I was planning on finding a cheap twin-scroll manifold. Or just turn to maybe a local welder and have them make me one.

I understand the injector size needs to be larger (I plan on going for 2xxx's, on E85 and all). The cams I have might be too small. But for the deal I got on them, all I would have to do is buy another 272 from HKS.

I had the evo loved it, got a 18g now, next will be a holset possilby hx 40 on when i get the tsi.

When i get the tsi.

I think the 16g would be nice, because it is a different turbo; it's bigger, it's better than stock. But since I am already building a 2.3L stroker, why would I want to stick with a small little turbo?

 

[ILL122]

It comes down to how much money you want to spend up front. 16g=$250.00 HX35=$750-$1000 at the end of the day. Usually when people are asking opinions they dont reply back to everything mentioned with a counter arugment.

 

[DSM IN MN]

It comes down to how much money you want to spend up front. 16g=$250.00 HX35=$750-$1000 at the end of the day. Usually when people are asking opinions they dont reply back to everything mentioned with a counter arugment.

I do not know where you get the HX35 ='ing anything close to $750. I have been told you can get one off of a Cummins forum for $100-$150 easily. So, in all honesty I could get one even cheaper than $250.

Maybe the last part you posted was not meant for this thread. I only reply with information I know. So if someone does not have it right, I will correct. That and I add to it because one cannot simply know everything I have/have planned for the engine.

 

[ILL122]

I do not know where you get the HX35 ='ing anything close to $750. I have been told you can get one off of a Cummins forum for $100-$150 easily. So, in all honesty I could get one even cheaper than $250.

Maybe the last part you posted was not meant for this thread. I only reply with information I know. So if someone does not have it right, I will correct. That and I add to it because one cannot simply know everything I have/have planned for the engine.

$150 hx35 if your lucky
$125 feed and return(larger than stock)
$200 to $1000 T3 mani
$125 Slim fan that pulls at least 1400 cfm
$250 for one 272 cam(larger recommended for stroker but Im sure you knew that).

 

[Ev0Stev0]

I think the 16g would be nice, because it is a different turbo; it's bigger, it's better than stock. But since I am already building a 2.3L stroker, why would I want to stick with a small little turbo?

you just answered your own question IMO. /thread.

 

[Boomdeeze]

What size Borg warner is it?

 

[e85_4g63]

Forced Performance 68hta sounds like something you should consider also...

 

[Lavery]

The 16g on a stroker could be better if your looking at doing Auto X.

 

[rhamlinii]

Evo 16g's are a good start to fine good power, as anyone can runs 11s on race gas and boost alone. Nothing compares to a big turbo at full tilt in my opinion. Those who love small turbo's just don't want a fast car for whatever reason. I.E cost, reliabilty, and or maintence just to name a few can kick you in the ass. You have to pay to play. Be realistic in your goals, buget, and time to work everything out. There is no right or wrong answer. I love torgue, but when I drive my car and from 55mph to 140 mph I can't breath and can barely keep the car strait. It's the best feeling in the world, and nothing feels better. My car with a welded diff, is pretty scary to drive. The car does sway alot from left to right under full power. My car from a roll, is faster the my cousin's 800 rwhp Supra.

 

[DSM IN MN]

$150 hx35 if your lucky
$125 feed and return(larger than stock)
$200 to $1000 T3 mani
$125 Slim fan that pulls at least 1400 cfm
$250 for one 272 cam(larger recommended for stroker but Im sure you knew that).

Alright; so you were considering all the things needed to run an HX35. So list everything needed for a 16g install. Sure you can throw it on, but I want it done right.

BC 280's was the plan. If I find the money I would get Kelford 272's. I mean, their only rated at 288*.

Alright; so you were considering all the things needed to run an HX35. So list everything needed for a 16g install. Sure you can throw it on, but I want it done right.

BC 280's was the plan. If I find the money I would get Kelford 272's. I mean, their only rated at 288*.

What size Borg warner is it?

I have no clue. It would be whatever comes off of a 2500 Silverado Duramax.

Alright; so you were considering all the things needed to run an HX35. So list everything needed for a 16g install. Sure you can throw it on, but I want it done right.

BC 280's was the plan. If I find the money I would get Kelford 272's. I mean, their only rated at 288*.





I have no clue. It would be whatever comes off of a 2500 Silverado Duramax.

The 16g on a stroker could be better if your looking at doing Auto X.

I'm not looking to do Auto X. I find it boring to even watch.

 

[ILL122]

I guess if your still undecided get the best of both worlds and do a compound setup. the 2.3 wouldnt know what hit it. And yeah, total cost is what I was talking about from the beginning.

 

[1gdsmftw]

If your looking for 400 - 450 hp minimum the choice should be obvious! Hx-35 is the best candidate. Big numbers require a big pocket!

 

[GearHeadCrazy]

I agree with 1gdsmftw. For 400ish hp I'd go with the HX35!

 

[1gdsmftw]

See the biggest problem with the dsm community these days is we are cheap . We try to build a fast car with no money....Gives us a bad name tbh....

 

[DSM IN MN]

I'm not trying to be cheap by any means. Save a little money however? Yes.

I have a 1g...shell with all the parts needed minus a turbo and a few other things. I could sell everything in/on it for $500 at a minimum. At the same time I have a job and can pull in $1,440 for the next nine months. My pay has dropped considerably since school started, but during the summer I can make about $1,800 over only three months.

Plus between birthdays, working on people's cars, selling things...I am sure I can get a good setup put together.

 

[Mrdocprofessor]

First street use with a hx35 you don't need to upgrade your cans smaller cams will help with spool bigger cams help with topend so you can take that out of the equation I say this because I would go with the holset it won't cost much more to mount and is a better. Turbo IMO

 

[cozmo]

You might be a be able to find a free or very cheap 14b as an option also. Sounds like that might be the best bet at the moment if you're short on cash.

 

[DSM IN MN]

I am not sooo short on cash that I cannot afford anything. It is just as of now I have to save up before I make any purcahses. If you want to do something, and you know it will cost X ammount, you have to have X ammount. So I buy things part by part. Once something is crossed off the list, it is one less thing I have to worry about.



Also, where can I get a Bullseye HX hotside? I know I have seen them before but I cannot remember where..

 

[PotatoFlakeSTi]

See the biggest problem with the dsm community these days is we are cheap . We try to build a fast car with no money....Gives us a bad name tbh....

No man ever got rich by spending all of his money.

 

[crash89]

$150 hx35 if your lucky
$125 feed and return(larger than stock)
$200 to $1000 T3 mani
$125 Slim fan that pulls at least 1400 cfm
$250 for one 272 cam(larger recommended for stroker but Im sure you knew that).

He could go with an Hx35/40 with a BEP housing, that would get rid of the t3 manifold.. He did say he could pick up a Holset for around 250-300$

A good buddy of mine (kp116) made over 550 ish whp on an Hx40 pro with the .55a/r BEP housing.. At the time he was on BC 272 cams. Very quick spool up.

Plus going with a DSM flanged hotside it would save you some cash. If you went the holset with BEP route you COULD use a stock ex manifold (ported preferably) or just go with an FP manifold for 275$..

Heres a place for a BEP hotside.. EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts

FP mani > http://www.extremepsi.com/store/home.php?cat=1462

If I were you I would go with an hx35 with a the BEP housing.. Quick spool like you're wanting and potential for high hp numbers.