big brake swap parts

[avaien]

I have a 99 gst. I am looking to upgrade to the 2g awd brakes. If I can find a 95 set with the banjo bolt, calipers, mounting braket, shims, pads, and rotors, is this all I need? I have ss lines on the car already, will these work? I have 17" le37t's with a 42 offset. Will the brakes fit behind these wheels?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Everything will bolt on and yes your ss lines will work. If your wheel spokes clears your current brakes then it will clear the 2 piston calipers/rotors.

 

[avaien]

Great thats exactly what I wanted to hear. thanks
Would I need the gsx brake booster? What would be the effects without it?

 

[Gary 420A RS]

http://www.dsmtuners.net/forums/showthread.php?t=215692

 

[90turbotsi]

I think you mean the proportioning valve, I made a post (its just a few down) about the same thing. I know as far as a 1G car goes the AWD and FWDs are different however I still cant confirm it on the 2G cars. I know it will work fine with out but wanted to see if there are differences while I have the system all apart and needing to be bled... I will let you know if I come up with anything but I think im going to call into the dealer to see if the part numbers are different for a AWD and FWD.

 

[DiamondStarM]

You dont need any other proportioning valve or brake booster to do the swap on a 2G. I just finished this job on my car. Just put on the awd rotor with the new caliper/bracket, it all bolts right up, just remember to order pads for an awd from now on. If you use 3kgt calipers you would need different lines too. I had to bleed the brakes with the car turned on so the brake booster would push all the air out of the lines since removing the caliper will let the lines drain.

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Where are you guys finding these 2g awd calipers? Junkyards? How much do they run on average?

 

[90turbotsi]

New/rebuilt, OEM at mitsubishi for $120 (each) this is the only place I have found who includes the caliper bracket. However $120 is with my discount so im sure its more then that... all the local parts stores are $50-75 but do not have the bracket and unless you can get it used they are $50 each.
Keep an eye out for used ones on ebay and here on tuners but my feeling is most all of these units will have 100k + and depending on the price part of me would rather go new... your call tho

I know that the system will work fine with the FWD or AWD proportioning valve...I just want to know if they are the same or different...if so id rather have the proper unit in there to match the brakes.

 

[DiamondStarM]

Where are you guys finding these 2g awd calipers? Junkyards? How much do they run on average?

I run 3kgt calipers, same thing and would be a direct bolt on for your 1G lines I believe.

 

[daren_p]

The 2g awd calipers have a banjo bolt so they will fit with your current ss lines. You can also used the pre 95 awd calipers which are basically the same except they use a screw in fitting instead of the bango bolt, with those you would obviously have to get different ss lines.

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

I run 3kgt calipers, same thing and would be a direct bolt on for your 1G lines I believe.

So what your saying is that the 2g awd lines would not be direct bolt on? I'm looking to upgrade because I brake hard and hate getting fade, just trying to get my parts list together before I do this.

So you have third gen gt brakes? Arent those the v6 non turbo slugs?

 

[daren_p]

So what your saying is that the 2g awd lines would not be direct bolt on? I'm looking to upgrade because I brake hard and hate getting fade, just trying to get my parts list together before I do this.

So you have third gen gt brakes? Arent those the v6 non turbo slugs?

I think what he is saying is he runs the 3000gt calipers, not the 3rd gen gt eclipse (I believe that is what you were thinking) 2g awd calipers use a banjo bolt to attach to the caliper while the 1g have a screw in fitting. The 3000gt calipers which he is running also use the screw in fitting which would be a direct bolt on for the 1g's. I believe its the non turbo 3000gt calipers that are the dual piston and the turbo's are 4 piston, which wont fit without making custom caliper mounting brackets.

 

[DiamondStarM]

that is exactly what I was saying, thanks for the translation daren. I run dual piston non turbo 3000GT rotors/brackets/bads/shimms ect with 2g GSX drilled slotted rotors. I couldnt find 2g calipers so I had to covert to 1G screw in type lines, so if you used a 3000 gt setup you would not need new lines, but if you found some from a 2G you would need to get 2g banjo style lines. Either way the caliper is the same and you can use the same rotors.

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Hey guys thanks for the clarification on the posts.
Now I know exactly what I need. Preciate it.

Oh, almost forgot, what year 3000gt?

 

[Raph]

so,i got the dual piston calipers off a diamante..so it looks like i need the 1g style screw in lines too? are the brake lines on a 1g awd longer or is there anything special i need to pay attention to?


the diamate 24v had the same brakes like the 3kgt 24v

 

[Turbo Shogun]

Yup, the Diamante calipers will work for 1Gs, and they're cheaper, too. I lied my ass off and told the junkyard guy they were off an '89 Mitsubishi Mirage. Got 'em for $30.

 

[Raph]

which means that they will work on a 2g too right? so all i need are 1g SS lines?? \


can some one confirm this?

 

[daren_p]

I can't confirm about the 1g lines bolting to a 2g properly, hopefully someone else will chime in as Id like to know as well. But at the caliper end look at where the line screws in. If the area is flush with the backside of the caliper this is the bango bolt style fitting (like 2g). If the threaded part comes out about 45 deg from the back of the caliper this is the screw in style fitting (like 1g)

 

[Talon ESI-T]

If you want to run the Diamante calipers with the screw in style fitting on a 2g you will need to order 2g lines with a screw in fitting from RRE. RRE has 2g lines in both forms, screw in fitting and banjo fitting.

1G lines and 2G lines are very different.

If you only want fronts then i have a set of stainless lines that are screw in fitting and 1" longer than RRE. I ordered them special from ANPlumbing in case i needed them with my big brake kit. The only downside to the ANPLUMBING lines is they dont have the mount portion where the lines go through the brakets on the spindle. they fit stock otherwise. I paid 41.00 shipped. if you look into custom lines you need 10mm X 1.0 threading.


Terry

 

[DiamondStarM]

My calipers/brackets came from a 1993 Dodge Stealth ES. I got the front and rear calipers brackets, pads, shims and lnes from that car. I mixed part of the rear line of the Stealth with a part of either my stock line or the front line from the stealth, I cant exactly remember which. I mixed lines so it would eliminate that small 180 degree hard line bend in the Stealth front line because I could figure out a good way to mount that up. Ill take a picture tonight if time permits. But if you find a donor car it will have everything you need, just look at everything and mix and match untill you get a long enough piece of all rubber line.


These are all the links I used to gather information from.
http://www.vfaq.com/mods/BigBrakesInfo.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115455

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55306

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55320

 

[Talon ESI-T]

here is mine


1991 Stealth N/T Dual piston fronts
RRE stainless brake lines with screw in style fitting
AEM big brake kit.
GSX master cylinder

No need to mix any lines, just bolt up and bleed

got all 4 Stealth calipers for 100.00 on ebay.

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=28771&mode=full

 

[FullthrottleGST]

im in need of a rear caliper and a guy here on tuner has a set of 3000gt single piston calipers. but i thought stated above, non turbos are dual piston? if i read correctly, i need rotors/brackets/bads/shimms and stuff in order to make it work on a 1g?

(going on my 1g awd)

 

[DiamondStarM]

im in need of a rear caliper and a guy here on tuner has a set of 3000gt single piston calipers. but i thought stated above, non turbos are dual piston? if i read correctly, i need rotors/brackets/bads/shimms and stuff in order to make it work on a 1g?

(going on my 1g awd)

Its funny you came to the thread Ive been discussing the 3000GT front brakes in since Im the one selling those rear calipers youre talking about. Ive been doing a little searching myself and came up with this link for you.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84317&highlight=3000gt+rear+calipers

The rear calipers on a 3000gt vr4 are dual piston and the front are 4 piston
The rear calipers on a nt 3000gt are single piston and the fronts are dual piston

 

[FullthrottleGST]

Its funny you came to the thread Ive been discussing the 3000GT front brakes in since Im the one selling those rear calipers youre talking about. Ive been doing a little searching myself and came up with this link for you.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84317&highlight=3000gt+rear+calipers

The rear calipers on a 3000gt vr4 are dual piston and the front are 4 piston
The rear calipers on a nt 3000gt are single piston and the fronts are dual piston

im still not clear haha.....would it still bolt on without any modifications?

 

[DiamondStarM]

From all the research I did when I was doing the brake swap for my fronts to 3000gt calipers (which were direct bolt on) I would say yes. To my understanding, 300GT non turbos have the same brake setup as AWD DSM's. The only thing is I have not done the rear swap personally, so I was just hoping someone else can verify that may be 100% sure. I just dint want you to buy something from me and not be satisfied with it.