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It could be that Garrett once offered that wheel in a GT40 but has since stopped, but I don't know.
I am currently wondering myself about the DSM 76. If it really has that flow increase potential with no loss in spool that could be very interesting. I'm going to use my 3052 for now but it's nice to know there is more available if i want it. If I was buying right now I would probably go for the DSM 76 on a 2.4.
Let me be clear - on that 3/4 mile straight, I would have liked more power, not a bigger turbo. Remember, I was only running 20 lbs of boost. I could have just turned up the boost with higher octane fuel, but what I think would have helped more was aero (and more confidence in hitting the brakes at 150+ mph going into turn 1).Hey Evan.
The info I am looking for in particular is what turbo you run, how is the lag, what psi are you running, and in California in particular, what tracks do you run on and if you could go back and redo your setup, what turbo would you pick.
Ludachris said in particular he had only one track with a 3/4 mile straight away he wish he had a bigger turbo for, but otherwise was happy with his FP3150.
Are there tracks around here you would recommend a certain turbo? Are there more turns where a FP3150 spool would be handy, or are there more straightaways where a DSM76 would be better.
or what is your preferrence, as I initially stated.
Thanks for the input
Great points - the more power you opt for, the more braking and tires you'll need. Stock calipers will not be a great choice when running a 3150 or 3052 at the track regularly. You'll be forcing yourself into a big brake kit real quick... which is a whole 'nother discussion.
Which track were you running on to make your comparisons? What was spool like in the turns?
I was the first person to get the FP3150. Robert made it available because a lot of people asked for it, but the overall demand for the turbo gets drowned out mainly because DSMers are enamored with top end power, even road racers like me. I was set on a 3052 even knowing that it might spool 400-500k slower than a 3150. Why? Because I had the typical DSMer mentality of wanting bigger numbers. There's no way I'd want to sacrifice that much spool now. The only reason I'd even consider a 3052 is because I saw Greg Collier tune his 2.4L to put down 400whp at 16-18psi with one, but of course, he was using AEM and had it tuned by one of the best. I still question whether he could have had more usable power with a 3150 though.
mitsu-luver, read the above quote. A GT35R for most setups is far more turbo than is required. Look at what the OP was asking, he wants to run 20-22 psi with the fastest possible spool. At those boost levels the GT3582's compressor wheel hasn't even started to flow well, and at the same time you're paying for the extra size of the turbine and compressor wheels (which you aren't even using) with more lag. For him, he should be worried about a little lag, especially since he isn't worried about max power. A GT3076R will make more than he would probably need given his goals, so a GT35R is too big. Hell, from what Luda said before, it sounds like a 3076R might be a little on the big side. Finally, AFAIK, the AMS Evo that you're referring to is a time attack car, meaning it is going for one fast lap, so I would assume that the extra heat that a larger turbo and more power puts out is much less important.
The Evo isn't a DSM. And even if it's a very similar motor, the AMS Evo is still a purpose-built race car. To suggest that DSMers who want to road race should go out and get a 35R because the AMS race car uses one for Time Attack events is a little naive. Only 1 out of maybe 1000 DSMers who are asking for road racing turbo advice will end up building a car anywhere close to the AMS Evo that would be able to take advantage of the 35R. I haven't seen any yet.i wouldn't go with a fp3052 its too small for laguna seca
personally with a 2.4 i would go with a garrett 3582 (since u have a 2.4)
ams runs a 35r with a 2.3 and they do great in road racing events!
but at the same time they also use that turbo to reach the 600's
and i dnt know if u want that much power?
if u got the money go with a garrett based hks 3037s
and dont be scared of a little lag, u got something to look forward to.
u want something that will keep going with you rpms.
Funny you should say that - my ceramic coated FP manifold was the culprit for my Tial 44mm damage. I melted the plunger inside and turned a black anodized cover to a golden brown. The guy at Tial was pretty impressed.
You'll need a little more than just coatings and downpipe wrap if you're going to be doing road racing. I'll be using some gold reflective tape this season to see if that helps on the wastegate, power steering pump, and water pipe, as well as more hood venting.
Exactly. Unless you're going to run higher boost, the bigger turbo won't do much for you except for give you more lag.
Funny you should say that - my ceramic coated FP manifold was the culprit for my Tial 44mm damage. I melted the plunger inside and turned a black anodized cover to a golden brown. The guy at Tial was pretty impressed.
Turbo cars generate a ton more heat under the hood than N/A cars. The more power you're running, the more it becomes an issue.
wow?......
oh and a 3582 and a 3076 cost the same
oh and also with a bigger turbo u can make the same power at a lower boost setting therefore less heat
oh and he has a 2.4
plenty of people us bigger turbos for less power
beacause with a gt30 it MAXES at 500hp
stop worring about lag so much!
Yes, my manifold was coated by FP. It's not that I'm worried about the zip ties melting due to heat, I'm giving my actual experience with tracking my car for the past 4 years, the last 2 with a FP3150. I'm hoping to get a JM coilpack mount this year to get rid of those zip ties thoughHmm... That's odd. I got my FP Race manifold coated directly from FP. -But it was coated silver, not black in color like the one in your profile pics. Are you sure yours got coated? I thought they only did the coating in silver
In addition to coating everything else , I also run heatshields: A JMF for the FP Race manifold and a modified OEM lower heatshield (although IMO, the mounting solution for the JMF heatshield leaves something to be desired).
The 2000* ThermoTec wrap stuff works great BTW, no need to go robbing the Lunar Lander of it's BLING.
-I think Ludachris is just worried that the Zip Ties holding his coil pack in place will melt
Seriously though, I am also looking into the hood venting thing (I just hate the idea of putting a hole in the hood).
Do you track your car? How many seasons have you put on a larger turbo at the track (road courses)? How many of those people you're referring to that use larger turbos road race?wow?......
oh and a 3582 and a 3076 cost the same
oh and also with a bigger turbo u can make the same power at a lower boost setting therefore less heat
oh and he has a 2.4
plenty of people us bigger turbos for less power
beacause with a gt30 it MAXES at 500hp
stop worring about lag so much!
wow?......
oh and a 3582 and a 3076 cost the same
oh and also with a bigger turbo u can make the same power at a lower boost setting therefore less heat
oh and he has a 2.4
plenty of people us bigger turbos for less power
beacause with a gt30 it MAXES at 500hp
stop worring about lag so much!
