Best/Most Versatile 1G Coilover setup?

[coolnick]

Really? What I read about them was predominantly good. I'm really surprised about this. Just when you thought you've done enough research on something...

There were some shady dealings on some of the 240 forums with an american D2 distributor that was selling them under a different name. The problem with the 240 forums is that they are flooded with youngsters, so you have to do a ton of reading to filter through all the nonsense. Here is one thread filled with tons of crap, and a few comments about the D2s:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=69630&highlight=coilover*

One of the main complaints is with cold weather driving. Read the thread, you'll get what I'm talking about...

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

There were some shady dealings on some of the 240 forums with an american D2 distributor that was selling them under a different name. The problem with the 240 forums is that they are flooded with youngsters, so you have to do a ton of reading to filter through all the nonsense. Here is one thread filled with tons of crap, and a few comments about the D2s:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=69630&highlight=coilover*

One of the main complaints is with cold weather driving. Read the thread, you'll get what I'm talking about...

as i said it was due to the wrong oil being used in the coilover, well a batch that wasn't meant for the States was sold here by mistake. As i mentioned they recalled them and they are replacing those.

Anyway, there was a problem with a company called Trix Motorsports that took a bunch of people's money from Group Buys then filed for bankruptcy. I know a guy who ran one of the GB's and got screwed for like 15 sets. Anyway that's all done with and that's why D2 has come direct to the states. I garuntee NO ONE has to worry about anything like that.

Aside from that these coilovers offer some of the best handling and flexibility on the market and i am confident that these will fit 99% of the dsmtuners.com members needs. Be it stiff race setups or soft luxury feeling, we can set them up however you like them

 

[aleccolin]

Hey Martin, what springs (rates) do the 1G D2 kits come with from the factory, by default? 7f/5r?? Just wondering, thanks.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

just got off the phone with D2 to double check and they did confirm it is 9/7 on the 1g. Remember custom spring rates are available. Hell i have a FWD guy getting a 9/13 for drag racing so as you can see we can accomidate just about anything you want.

 

[G-UNIT]

FYI ^^

these coilovers are made in taiwan.

that might influence your buying decision.

these are the same thing : http://ksportusa.com/index.html

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

FYI ^^

these coilovers are made in taiwan.

that might influence your buying decision.

these are the same thing : http://ksportusa.com/index.html

KSport is a division that was made to sell in the US and once Trix Motorsports ripped off dozens of people they are no longer selling under that name.

The fact that they are made in Taiwan should have nothing to do with it. The company is based out of Taiwan/Malaysia so it's not like they are outsourcing. All the testing, design and construction is done there. Their facility is amazing and actually has multiple shock Dynos and they own a race track on the grounds where the parts are all tested.

 

[G-UNIT]

WHEn's the last time you heard of a good aftermarket part that was manufactured in taiwan ?

until they are proven in some type of professional motorsport i wouldn't touch them.

how can they do r&d on a dsm which was never sold in taiwan ?

 

[RU2SLOW?]

The fact that they are made in Taiwan should have nothing to do with it. The company is based out of Taiwan/Malaysia so it's not like they are outsourcing. All the testing, design and construction is done there. Their facility is amazing and actually has multiple shock Dynos and they own a race track on the grounds where the parts are all tested.

Name of the country aside, I would say this is pretty damn impressive info. From what Martin has shared here and what he's told me about them, these coilovers don't seem like they came from a jumbled, hap-hazard operation by any means. Although I don't have any personal experience with the part on my car, from the experience I do have with researching these coilovers I look at them as an option for DSMers that can provide a ridiculous amount of adjustabilty, strong handling, and a wide lowering range for a very resonable cost. This is especially important for 1G FWDers like myself whose only options vary from Ground Control ($375) to the JICs ($1900) with nothing in between.

 

[G-UNIT]

http://www.hopupracing.com/jicmaflinmo15.html

 

[RU2SLOW?]

http://www.hopupracing.com/jicmaflinmo15.html

The kit referred to in that link is the "off the shelf" JIC kit, which there has been some debate over. A good number of people, as discussed earlier in this thread, have heard some bad stuff about, and had bad experience with, the off the shelf JIC coilover setup- issues with rusting and proper valving I believe. The JIC coilovers I was referring to as listed for $1900 are the RRE tuned JIC coilover setup which has received predominantly rave reviews, except for the high cost- there is a great deal of info about the race expreience of this kit earlier in this thread. The RRE kit is very race-proven and is what most DSMers who have actually had experience with them would consider as the only JIC option available for our cars.

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/jicinfo.htm

 

[aleccolin]

until they are proven in some type of professional motorsport i wouldn't touch them.

how can they do r&d on a dsm which was never sold in taiwan ?

What kind of racing do you want? Rally? Road? Rallycross?

http://www.d2racing.com.tw/racing-team.htm

And really, not much R&D is needed on a dsm, the suspensions are about as rudimentary as they come. Some plans and a spec sheet is plenty when dealing with geometry that's common to 90% of cars on the road today.

I'll let you know how they work out.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

WHEn's the last time you heard of a good aftermarket part that was manufactured in taiwan ?

until they are proven in some type of professional motorsport i wouldn't touch them.

how can they do r&d on a dsm which was never sold in taiwan ?

D2 coilovers are widely used in the drifting and road racing scene all over the world. Do some research on the company and you will see they are HUGE in Asia and Europe for "Asian Import" racing.

Funny, Greddy, HKS, Apex, Tein, JIC and them make parts for the DSM but they weren't sold in Japan so i wonder how in the world they could have done any kind of R&D.

you would be amazed as too how many parts are made in Taiwan, most of which are just outsourced for cheap labor, D2 just happens to be based out of Taiwan. They have hands on control over quality.

I will say this, the first couple cars we installed these coilovers on, not just DSM's, felt amazing. In the GST i did i couldn't beleive how well it handled, they felt like a 240 on Tein HE's, very agressive. They hugged the road like i have NEVER seen a DSM do. Because of that i am a big advocate of these coilovers.

and for the record i think JIC makes a great product but from what customers have told me they don't last too long on the street before they start deminishing in quality.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

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doesn't that look like a high school track? man why didn't i ever think about racing on one.

and i want a shop like this one

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[G-UNIT]

What kind of racing do you want? Rally? Road? Rallycross?

http://www.d2racing.com.tw/racing-team.htm

And really, not much R&D is needed on a dsm, the suspensions are about as rudimentary as they come. Some plans and a spec sheet is plenty when dealing with geometry that's common to 90% of cars on the road today.

I'll let you know how they work out.

THAT's interesting, i did not know they were involved with any type of proffesional racing.
who here really follows any form of racing in taiwan ?
it's mostly japan & the u.s. scenes we follow. i think if vendors in the u.s. would include the proven racing info in their sales pitch as seen above, it would be an easier sale.

 

[G-UNIT]

Funny, Greddy, HKS, Apex, Tein, JIC and them make parts for the DSM but they weren't sold in Japan so i wonder how in the world they could have done any kind of R&D.



dsm's weren't sold in japan but a few were imported to japan for r&d.

also companies like hks do r&d here for usdm cars.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

the importer has actually tested these here in the states on the east coast in the cold we have been having with no issues at all.

 

[K-Sport]

KSport is a division that was made to sell in the US and once Trix Motorsports ripped off dozens of people they are no longer selling under that name.

The fact that they are made in Taiwan should have nothing to do with it. The company is based out of Taiwan/Malaysia so it's not like they are outsourcing. All the testing, design and construction is done there. Their facility is amazing and actually has multiple shock Dynos and they own a race track on the grounds where the parts are all tested.

Please refrain from stating untrue facts regarding Ksport. The fact that Trix Motorsports did go bankrupt is unfortunate for their customers but has nothing to do with the ksport company, we are working very closely with their previous customers right now to resolve open orders. Thank You.

And actually D2 was being sold in the U.S. before K-Sport was being sold in the U.S. so a Ksport dealer that went out of business did not bring them here.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

Please refrain from stating untrue facts regarding Ksport. The fact that Trix Motorsports did go bankrupt is unfortunate for their customers but has nothing to do with the ksport company, we are working very closely with their previous customers right now to resolve open orders. Thank You.

And actually D2 was being sold in the U.S. before K-Sport was being sold in the U.S. so a Ksport dealer that went out of business did not bring them here.

I was under the impresstion that Trix Motorsports was K-Sport and vis versa. That's what i was told when talking to some of the people the got burned by Trix Motorsports in that whole Group Buy viasco.

And when i first talk to a guy named Nick at K-Sport months ago he did tell me that they were the ones bringing them here and that they indeed were D2. Then all of a sudden the phone number was gone from the site and dozens of people were left with 10's of thousands of dollars worth undelivered products. I know one guy here personally that ran one of the group buys that would love to talk to you about filling his order.

If i got wrong information i do apologize.

 

[K-Sport]

He was bringing them in but was not officially ksport at the time, and closed before that happened. Not a problem, no apology is needed, thats all done with and im sure your friend knows the bankruptcy details with the old company, if not he can contact us and we will provide all info we gathered, thanks.

 

[coolnick]

I think you guys have successfully turned away any potential customers with your bickering...

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

I think you guys have successfully turned away any potential customers with your bickering...

no one is bickering. Something just got cleared up. i don't see how that hurts any product of any kind at all?

 

[K-Sport]

Didnt think i was bickering, sorry if i was.

 

[Drivend]

Does anyone have any reviews on the Hotbits Race/Street coilovers? I have a set sitting in my garage, but due to newly found crankwalk issues(1/8") I haven't had a chance to install/test them yet. By the way, they look great, whatever that's worth.

 

[coolnick]

Does anyone have any reviews on the Hotbits Race/Street coilovers? I have a set sitting in my garage, but due to newly found crankwalk issues(1/8") I haven't had a chance to install/test them yet. By the way, they look great, whatever that's worth.

Take some pics and let us see them!!!

 

[1992AWDDSM]

So what would the concensus be for my setup?

I have a 1991 Talon TSi AWD. At the moment I have the mods listed under my profile. I am running 19psi on the FP 3052 and making 400whp. I do not plan on participating regularly in any SCCA or autocross events, but I do plan on drag racing somewhat this year.

I do not want a harsh road ride, but I do want the ability to either soften or stiffen the ride. I want to have a somewhat semi-soft ride for everyday driving and then the ability to make adjustments to control weight transfer at the dragstrip. I *might* take part in a road course event or two this summer because our local racing forum has setup a friendly DSM vs. RWD Nissan competition in 1/4 mile times and road course racing. So I do want the ability to have a car that can handle a really nice course. Other than strut bars, I have done nothing to the suspension.

I also don't need the ability to lower the car 3-4". A good 1" to 1.25" of drop is more than sufficient for me. I don't plan on showing/slamming the car.

So what do I get, guys? The D2? The Tanabe Sustec S-SII? Is the Tein Flex system really worth the money for what I want?