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[grmoo]

Yeah, I have seen things like that before...they have them at http://www.electricsupercharger.com/ it is eRam....is that the same one?

The "full" setup is like $500 though....

 

[jl98]

no this full setup is 165 which includes shipping. and this one actually works. i've installed it on my friends car and it works. its 75 each and he recommends two. so do i based on what i have seen. the figures come out to 31.5 hp gain and i don't doubt that at all.

 

[jl98]

and no its not a little ####y leaf blower like that eram thing i just checked on. it supplies around 6psi. check the math and you'll see the difference.

 

[grmoo]

Well, I must say that is some nice power for a really good price....is there a link anywehere? or did I overlook it somewhere?

 

[jl98]

well the original message i got seems to be changed a little bit since its been posted but-
[email protected] is where my email came from and here's his address-

Underground Audio and Performance Inc.
812 E Cloud
Salina, KS 67401

you might also be able to find it on ebay, but i cant guarantee that.

 

[jl98]

also, adgators99 and I were talking last night and i know he bought one, i hope he got two, but anyway you guys might want to ask him if he got it from ebay or if he contacted eric at underground performance. i know that guy is extremely busy and im pretty sure he rarely responds to any emails so if adgators99 cant help i'd suggest doing the 411 thing and getting his number and calling the shop. don't forget to put in a good word about me, ha!

 

[Evolver]

coll thanx for the info, if one of you decides on buying it let us know how it goes, if it goes good, then there should be a good amount of people interested in buying it.

 

[grmoo]

Do you know what theyc all them? Like the actual product name?

 

[miamieclipse]

yea i would like to get this email and see whats going on...

 

[Thunderskull]

Before spending the cash, you might want to take a look at this. http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/better_20electric_20supercharger No electric supercharger could run 6psi without several batteries and a very high performance alternator, even then you could only do it in 10 or 15 second boosts after which it would take you like 20 min to recharge the batteries to do it again. You might as well spend the money on NOS. On top of all this you would need some kind of fuel management.

 

[Evolver]

is this something that needs to be charged? or will ti run continuously through the rpm range like a real supercharger, forgot to ask that in my other post.

 

[Thunderskull]

It'll have to be charged. Remember that a supercharger requires about 14kw of power to operate at a reasonable level of boost. The movement of the crank provides that energy. On an electric supercharger you need to get that much power from your car's stock electrical system which is physically impossible. You would have to have several large capacity batteries in order to store enough juice for that. Even then, you would only get about 10 to 15 sec boosts of power much like a NOS system. Then you would have to wait until the alternator recharges all those batteries. With a 90 amp alternator, it would take you nearly an hour to charge the system up for another run. A turbo has to push air in against resistance in order to achieve the cfm of air flow that they can achieve. The electric supercharger fans are tested at those cfm before installation. I assure you that they are not pushing that much air past the throttle body into the intake once installed. Here's a link to somebody that actually tested the e-ram application which is very similar to what was described in the post for the one for 165 previously. http://www.vintagebus.com/howto/e-ram/ In my personal opinion, anybody that buys this or the other one described here on this site deserves to get ripped off because that's exactly what it is. It is a scam. Don't you think the people making them know they're worthless? They should be taken out and beaten senseless. Go to www.boosthead.com . This is an actual electric supercharger that works. Though for what you pay and what you get, you're better off buying a NOS system. One thing for you 420a guys, they offer an actual supercharger for your engines.

 

[Evolver]

if its like that i dont really want it, i want something that is running the whole time. thanx for the info

 

[miamieclipse]

It'll have to be charged. Remember that a supercharger requires about 14kw of power to operate at a reasonable level of boost. The movement of the crank provides that energy. On an electric supercharger you need to get that much power from your car's stock electrical system which is physically impossible. You would have to have several large capacity batteries in order to store enough juice for that. Even then, you would only get about 10 to 15 sec boosts of power much like a NOS system. Then you would have to wait until the alternator recharges all those batteries. With a 90 amp alternator, it would take you nearly an hour to charge the system up for another run. A turbo has to push air in against resistance in order to achieve the cfm of air flow that they can achieve. The electric supercharger fans are tested at those cfm before installation. I assure you that they are not pushing that much air past the throttle body into the intake once installed. Here's a link to somebody that actually tested the e-ram application which is very similar to what was described in the post for the one for 165 previously. http://www.vintagebus.com/howto/e-ram/ In my personal opinion, anybody that buys this or the other one described here on this site deserves to get ripped off because that's exactly what it is. It is a scam. Don't you think the people making them know they're worthless? They should be taken out and beaten senseless. Go to www.boosthead.com . This is an actual electric supercharger that works. Though for what you pay and what you get, you're better off buying a NOS system. One thing for you 420a guys, they offer an actual supercharger for your engines.

THey make suprechargers for our engines? I didnt think they did, please let us kno who

 

[grmoo]

http://www.boosthead.com

Just select the make + model and select Supercharger....it is like $900

 

[Thunderskull]

No, that's for the adapter plates. The supercharger itself is like 4 grand. It isn't listed yet, but they are going to be available on the site.

 

[grmoo]

Oh, right....yeah, I need to learn how to read....why are those two pieces of metal nearly 1 thousand dollars?

 

[grmoo]

That one in the picture I guess is from a GM 3800...something or other

 

[grmoo]

Yes, that is what it is....that kit at that site allows you to adapt a GM-3800 supercharger to your DSM

It is a GM, what does that mean? That means that there are 300 million of those things all over the place online, in junkyards, on cars, everywhere...on ebay you can get one for like $200, or a junkyard for like $10.

 

[jl98]

well guys i think i should answer a few questions and clear up some misconceptions about this. this blower can be operated full time like a supercharger, wired to a toggle switch for off/on action, or wired to a pressure sensitive switch where you could have it kick on at a throttle position determined by you. anyone that doubts this system's ability to perform is obviously not understanding the math behind this or just being pessimistic. I just received an email from eric at underground in which he told me that the eRam system company has taken his idea and patented not only his product but his idea. Another time damn corporate America screws over the little guy. the above link at the top of this page, http://www.electricsupercharger.com/ is for the eRam ripoff company. If you check the link, there are dyno tests and other information proving the validity of this system. And that eRam system is not as powerful as eric's anyway. his gains are much better than that, the math proves it is an actual gain that cannot be disputed. it is an actual 31.5 hp gain IF your engine is in proper working order. Im sorry guys that don't believe this, but you cannot argue with the universal language of math. you just cant. Adgators99 happens to be a math teacher in fact and purchased the system after reviewing the data. I bought two for my friend, we installed them on his n/t eclipse and it made a huge difference. Look at it this way, i have no connection to eric at underground or any of his products or anything. I have absolutely nothing to gain by him selling more product. It has nothing to do with me. NEED MORE SPACE

 

[jl98]

but this is a non-turbo performance forum. And i would go out on a limb and say one of the reasons this forum exists is because not everyone has the money for turbo. Right? we wouldn't be in this forum if we didn't want to make our cars faster and we all know that dsms are gonna eventually need to be turboed if we truly want to get to the next level. well some people don't have the money right now to do that but they obviously want more performance out of their car. All i was trying to do was give everyone another option that isn't going to break the bank and actually does something. like i said before, it is the cheapest 31 ponies you'll ever see. and for the people that never plan on going turbo, they don't want to deal with maintenance or reliabilty issues associated with turbos, this is a real option. Easy installation, no extra stress on your internals, no turbo lag, just easy pain free operation. You can leave it on, leave it off, switch back and forth etc... and people are saying you'll need new fuel management blah blah- yeah right. have you seen the system? Are you aware that our ecu adjusts fuel curve accordingly in a learning pattern? you can run damn 116 octane in these cars and the ecu adjusts accordingly. so for the naysays, hey don't buy it. but for the people that understand simple mathematical formulas and can read a dyno chart, you can see that this thing works. Im just trying to be helpful and give something back to the website that gives so much and asks for nothing. So to people that are still interested, keep in touch. Im trying to see if he's able to sell them still. And to people that think big corporations stealing a good guy's idea is wrong, get on http://electricsupercharger.com/ and let them know that is BS. Thanks

 

[jl98]

ha. wanna know how crooked the eRam guys are? I emailed them a little bit ago telling them that i was aware that they had stolen the idea and patented it and told them i had proof. not ten minutes ago my phone rang and it had a california number on my caller ID. It was the president Mike Kibort himself on the phone, bitching and yelling at me saying they came up with the idea in '95 and received the patent in 2000. I asked him- hey, if thats true, why would YOU call me? Im nobody special so why does it take the president of the company to bi*** me out if im not right? I also informed him that i was aware that the patent had been applied for only 4 months ago, not approved of 4 yrs ago like he said. he asked me how i was sure of that and i countered with- how did you get my phone number? He countered with a click and a silent line. Its sunday afternoon, the business isn't even open, but they sure got my number real quick and tried to deal with it in a hurry with the top dog there. This seems real strange to me. Also, does anybody know how he did get my phone number? I mean MSN cant just give it out can they? And how did they get it so quick? does anyone know the legality of this? if so, please pm me and let me know cause im kinda confused.

 

[adgators99]

Ok, I have to also help jl98 out. The truth is I am an algebra/calc. teacher the formulas and numbers speak for themselves. I did order two of these. He does sell them on ebay yet, but in small quantities since he searches for the best parts possible and gets them custom made for him. Read the post I put up (*props go to jl98 for that). If you are not happy with that, email the guy. he is busy and takes time to respnd, but he emailed me the next morning when I sent him a late night email. I'm optomistic about this and will let you know how it goes once I recieve them and install them. If it is real you guys will know. If it is not you will also find that out (of course I will be very pi**ed. This product would be an excellent gain for you and your engine. You both will breath a little fresher if it works. allright, we'll see how it goes when I get them. I do however recommend buying two as the guy says of the results WILL NOT BE THE SAME. I purchased them and I would recommend it as a chance to everyone - cheap hp - bang for the buck then headers and cat-back

 

[Evolver]

ok then one of you who has this hooked up, does it need a ecxtra batterry, in fact do you have any instalation instructions for this, so we can see what is needed. and will it actualy run as long as you leave the switch on? or does it need to be charged and only runs for 15 sec.?

 

[Queue]

WOW! All this from "so what's the best header?" Can we change the title of this thread to better reflect the topic at hand? I'm sure a lot of people would be interested!