bad situation with my DSM.. Lost..

[GsxEcutioner]

Don't listen to some of these idiots, just fix the damn thing and chalk it up as a lesson learned. You made a mistake, the car was damaged, fix it and move on. Don't mess with the boost controller EVER unless you know exactly what your doing. If your using the car for school, just drive it, enjoy and take care of it, save your money, focus on your grades, spend some extra cash on the car when you can, and get a good job so you can do whatever you want with it later on. If everyone sold their cars when they made a stupid mistake 90% of the dummies on this site would be driving a honda.

and its not a bad suggestion to buy a honda if you know your going to blow things up. DD FTW. This hobby gets expensive and with newbies trying to "show off" to other people, they are going to break things, get frustrated, and the car is just going to suffer.

 

[amballer82822]

...Wish I knew how to delete this thread

 

[GsxEcutioner]

Im in my learning phase haha I wanna learn how to work on my dsm all myself for all you talking junk everyone makes a mistake and learns from that you probably took your car and got it fixed and didnt do sh*t yourself... But thanks everyone who's trying to help. Im gonna get all this fixed and put in a T28 with bigger injectors.. and keep learning and modd from there and thanks again, id never sell my dsm just cause you chumps think you mr. know it all about DSMS.. The car was made one of the most popular cars from people experimenting modding and learning from mistakes, exactly what im doing.

Watch who you speak to like this. There are many Older and Wiser people on this forum than you. There are many people on this board that have been here for the last Decade that can tell you what you are doing wrong, and how to fix it, so don't be a douche and start mouthing off. Honestly DSM's make people mechanics all the time, in which I learned off pulling my trans three times, Rebuilding a whole motor, and swapping every part out on this thing, on my own, so I wouldn't talk about people who havent done anything themselves.

 

[amballer82822]

Watch who you speak to like this. There are many Older and Wiser people on this forum than you. There are many people on this board that have been here for the last Decade that can tell you what you are doing wrong, and how to fix it, so don't be a douche and start mouthing off. Honestly DSM's make people mechanics all the time, in which I learned off pulling my trans three times, Rebuilding a whole motor, and swapping every part out on this thing, on my own, so I wouldn't talk about people who havent done anything themselves.

This was meant to the people making funn of me dude. I appreciated the people who helped me. If your gonna make fun of me I don't care if your a dsm godess I'm not gonna just agree with you I love my DSM to trade it period. It's almost for the better I did this so I can learn from it so I don't care what you have to say if it's disrespectful so people can keep talking

 

[Tfitch90]

In my own opinion, a lot of people in here coming at him all wrong. His problem was about him boosting and having white smoke. It seems to me that a lot of people are always on here worried about whats not even apart of the problem. So what if he is a "ricer". F that my dude if your a ricer be the best ricer out and keep learning.

 

[Anubis_4_99]

Watch who you speak to like this. There are many Older and Wiser people on this forum than you. There are many people on this board that have been here for the last Decade that can tell you what you are doing wrong, and how to fix it, so don't be a douche and start mouthing off. Honestly DSM's make people mechanics all the time, in which I learned off pulling my trans three times, Rebuilding a whole motor, and swapping every part out on this thing, on my own, so I wouldn't talk about people who havent done anything themselves.

exactly.

to the op:

have i dealt with every feasible problem a car can present? no.

but i at almost 30, have almost definitely infinitely more automotive knowledge then you do. I'm not insulting you, because i too started at the beginning, and remember what it was like. and I'm also not stupid enough to think that i am by far the most knowledgeable person on here, because i am not. you may even know a few things i don't. so don't go running your mouth about people you've never met and have no idea what they are about.

I've rebuilt motors, transmissions, rear ends, painted, redone wiring, welding, and had my hands in on some tuning also. so unless I'm 100% stumped, my cars never see a shop, except for something like an alignment.

you have a poor attitude, period. i do apologize for giving you crap, but i hate seeing neon lights, people talking about racing in the streets, and showing off with there stock car. with that mentality your gonna get grouped in with ricers pretty quick.

i would love to see you keep the car, fix it, and take care of it, like it deserves to be. but odds are that at 18 your still in the "i wanna go fast for no money and put cool looking things all over my car that cost hundreds of dollars to impress people i don't know" phase. i know i was at 18.

anyway, good luck on fixing the car, if you have to replace the turbo anyway, if i were you i would take the chance to do a decent upgrade. and if you don't have anything to control bigger injectors, which you have no need for with no supporting mods, i would take that and put it towards a walbro and build from there.

 

[amballer82822]

In my own opinion, a lot of people in here coming at him all wrong. His problem was about him boosting and having white smoke. It seems to me that a lot of people are always on here worried about whats not even apart of the problem. So what if he is a "ricer". F that my dude if your a ricer be the best ricer out and keep learning.

Thanks a lot man really appreciate it

DSM4LIFE!!!

 

[AUTOMODSGST]

dude that is one of the main reasons I do not like to post here it feels like everybody was born knowing everything about DSM s, do not get me wrong I have learned a lot from this forum, but is kind of intimidating to ask a question oh well is just my opinion just fix the car and keep reading that way you avoid this problems and try to keep the car as clean as you can..

 

[atruepretense]

exactly.

to the op:

have i dealt with every feasible problem a car can present? no.

but i at almost 30, have almost definitely infinitely more automotive knowledge then you do. I'm not insulting you, because i too started at the beginning, and remember what it was like. and I'm also not stupid enough to think that i am by far the most knowledgeable person on here, because i am not. you may even know a few things i don't. so don't go running your mouth about people you've never met and have no idea what they are about.

I've rebuilt motors, transmissions, rear ends, painted, redone wiring, welding, and had my hands in on some tuning also. so unless I'm 100% stumped, my cars never see a shop, except for something like an alignment.

you have a poor attitude, period. i do apologize for giving you crap, but i hate seeing neon lights, people talking about racing in the streets, and showing off with there stock car. with that mentality your gonna get grouped in with ricers pretty quick.

i would love to see you keep the car, fix it, and take care of it, like it deserves to be. but odds are that at 18 your still in the "i wanna go fast for no money and put cool looking things all over my car that cost hundreds of dollars to impress people i don't know" phase. i know i was at 18.

anyway, good luck on fixing the car, if you have to replace the turbo anyway, if i were you i would take the chance to do a decent upgrade. and if you don't have anything to control bigger injectors, which you have no need for with no supporting mods, i would take that and put it towards a walbro and build from there.

I agree with you 100% percent. I'm 19, and man have I learned my lesson with my DSM. I never had the ricer stuff, but I did think "my car was the shit, when it was completely stock, and you know what, I had to replace a motor. Nobody is trying to be a ****, but we get people doing the whole "i'm a ricer thing".

Also, you should definitely respect people on here, because they'll respect you. Was it right to be made fun of? Not really, but the whole neon thing when winning, and street racing is something that people on here frown upon.

I'll be honest and tell you that you would have avoided all this bullshit, if you had just asked what you intended. Not mention the winning with neons and all that bull.

Now, to the real topic. You're obviously pushing coolant somehow. It could be because your HG is ####ed, or because your turbo is throwing the coolant. Do a compression test to rule out the head. Good luck bud.

 

[D's GS-T]

and its not a bad suggestion to buy a honda if you know your going to blow things up. DD FTW. This hobby gets expensive and with newbies trying to "show off" to other people, they are going to break things, get frustrated, and the car is just going to suffer.

Dude, people aren't saying that cause he needs a DD they are saying it just to be assholes.

 

[D's GS-T]

Watch who you speak to like this. There are many Older and Wiser people on this forum than you. There are many people on this board that have been here for the last Decade that can tell you what you are doing wrong, and how to fix it, so don't be a douche and start mouthing off. Honestly DSM's make people mechanics all the time, in which I learned off pulling my trans three times, Rebuilding a whole motor, and swapping every part out on this thing, on my own, so I wouldn't talk about people who havent done anything themselves.

I hate to defend some of the newbish shit on here but when "older, wiser" members act like douche bags on here then the newbs lash out. Some of the older wiser people need to grow the fvck up and are part of the problem half the time now days.

The fact is we are driving cheap ass cars that anyone can own. They are going to be bought up by younger people who are going to do some dumb things. If you don't like it GTFO of DSMs and go buy something else, cause this is where the community is headed. If you want these newbs to get better then educate them. If your just going to say stupid ass stuff Like " what a ricer, or buy a honda" then this community gets no better. Everyone pisses and moans about the community going downhill, but some people are completely unhelpfully so if your in that category then STFU. People should just try to be more helpfully at times.

This guy seems like he has his head on straight and has kept his cool pretty well for all the shit he is taking.

 

[Doubleot]

Sounds like a headgasket is your problem sir.

I started young as well and never once did I turn up the boost to be "cool". I actually studied my car and its capibilites and started the upgrade path. Its a tough lesson to learn but I hope you put this behind you and start being a little more wise about your decsions.

Good luck.

Sent From My Sidekick 4g, Because I can.

 

[amballer82822]

Thanks guys.. T28 is being ordered very soon. Compression test turned out good I think the turbo is throwing coolant and there was actually a very small amount of oil on the lip of the turbo where it connects to the intake.. All bolts are out except the oil line connecting to the turbo.

 

[69_luv]

exactly.

to the op:

have i dealt with every feasible problem a car can present? no.

but i at almost 30, have almost definitely infinitely more automotive knowledge then you do. I'm not insulting you, because i too started at the beginning, and remember what it was like. and I'm also not stupid enough to think that i am by far the most knowledgeable person on here, because i am not. you may even know a few things i don't. so don't go running your mouth about people you've never met and have no idea what they are about.

I've rebuilt motors, transmissions, rear ends, painted, redone wiring, welding, and had my hands in on some tuning also. so unless I'm 100% stumped, my cars never see a shop, except for something like an alignment.

you have a poor attitude, period. i do apologize for giving you crap, but i hate seeing neon lights, people talking about racing in the streets, and showing off with there stock car. with that mentality your gonna get grouped in with ricers pretty quick.

i would love to see you keep the car, fix it, and take care of it, like it deserves to be. but odds are that at 18 your still in the "i wanna go fast for no money and put cool looking things all over my car that cost hundreds of dollars to impress people i don't know" phase. i know i was at 18.

anyway, good luck on fixing the car, if you have to replace the turbo anyway, if i were you i would take the chance to do a decent upgrade. and if you don't have anything to control bigger injectors, which you have no need for with no supporting mods, i would take that and put it towards a walbro and build from there.

Well said sir.

I never once claimed to be Me. Know-it-all, pretty sure I was trying to help you by giving you safe advice on replacing your turbo. Second I was trying to say it in a somewhat respectful way that you have a lot of electronics pulling amps and you don't have anything saying you upgraded. You want to act like a punk so be it, yeah I wished you wouldnt have made this thread either...

Your car domain claims your a mechanic but your thread screams moron. You race the local Evo boys, you vent your BOV, you have a neon car that turns them on when you win, and you turn your boost up with out supporting mods, and you just posted that your going to go t-28...but still no tuning devices...

I try not to knock on people that want the bling, and I tried to be respectful, but you want to come back with remarks like I pull more girls in a GS, really?
Get a Tactrix cable and flash your ECU, get EvoScan and log your runs, get a wideband, do a rewire and upgraded fuel pump, then once you feel like you can tune, find a turbo that you want and slap it on like the T-28. There is a lot more to our ladies than turning up the boost controller and putting bigger turbos as you found out. Wish you the best that your motor is still intact and all you need is another t-25 to get you on the road.

 

[jtmcinder]

...Wish I knew how to delete this thread

We finally agree on something.

With that said, a little oil on the mouth of the turbo is probably from the PCV, not the turbo, itself.

If all you did was blow the turbo, you're lucky. Many people who play boost control lift the head.

 

[destrux]

Ehh... not to get in the middle of this wonderful thread, but a turbo that's got a REALLY badly blown turbine seal will smoke white. The rear turbo on my supra had a bad turbine side oil leak, and the smoke was thick white and didn't dissipate or smell sweet like coolant smoke. My theory is the oil wasn't getting hot enough to burn and turn blue like it would if it was going through the combustion chamber. It did turn blue if I drove hard enough to heat the exhaust up alot, but I only went into positive boost once after this happened while I was diagnosing the reason for the smoke.

The reason for my turbo leak... the turbine wheel was slightly imbalanced from excessive ash buildup because one of my #5 cylinder exhaust valve stem seals was baked and cracked apart... I replaced all the valve stem seals, but the smoke remained, and then oil started leaking out of the turbine housing v-band during the test drive, which is when I shat bricks and realized the bad stem seals killed one of the turbos. The turbo never blew apart though, just smoked. It was all full of oil when I pulled it off, and with the new Holset on there the smoke is gone ($1200 later...)

 

[awddarrell]

dude that is one of the main reasons I do not like to post here it feels like everybody was born knowing everything about DSM s, do not get me wrong I have learned a lot from this forum, but is kind of intimidating to ask a question oh well is just my opinion just fix the car and keep reading that way you avoid this problems and try to keep the car as clean as you can..

+2

OP: just know I have done a lot of incredibly stupid things with my dsm's as well as asked some very stupid ?'s that I maybe should have though about before asking them. but hey you live and you learn right. if you are going to replace the stock t-25 with another one just remember to leave the boost down , and if you need one I have one that worked very well when I took it off pm me if you are interested. and GOod luck getting it fixed sorry about your luck bro.

 

[Achelea]

Why can't I rev my car in neutral to build boost? i wanted to distinguish if my tranny was making the noise or if my turbo was.

Um, I figured since no one else answered this particular question...

The reason you can't build boost in Neutral is the turbo works on load. In Neutral there is no load, so nothing to push against to produce boost.

In Neutral, the only thing your engine is pushing against is the flywheel and input shaft of the transmission. All that together is not providing any resistance, so the engine freewheels, and the exhaust gasses flow out freely as they please.

Now when you're in gear, the engine is pushing the trans, the gears, the drive train, and the tires, which are trying to move 3500 lbs of mas. Which is hard, so it provides resistance. That resistance resists the pistons moving, and ironically enough, since it's working against the pistons, the gasses come out faster when they leave the cylinder, especially at the higher RPMs.

IIRC, the wastegate is set so the spring closes the valve, forcing all the exhaust through the turbine. The factory method is set to use boost pressure to push against the spring, opening the waste gate, to allow exhaust gasses to bypass the turbo.

A manual boost controller allows us to increase the boost by creating a restriction between the boost source and the wastegate. This restriction will allow a metered amount of air pass. Similar to the way a nozzle works on a water hose. All types of pressure can be built up behind the nozzle, but it only comes out by how much you allow to bypass the valve.

So we have Exhaust gasses hitting the turbine. The turbine spins the compressor, which pushes air into the intake. Which is called boost.

So how can turning a Manual boost controller way up kill turbos? Because turbos can only move so much air. They are designed to move a certain amount of air at a certain pressure. Graphed out, they produce maps. Their peak efficiency is island shaped. Outside the island, they will either be out of boost, or over spooling.

Going above a turbo's designed boost, it spins at much higher RPMs. Terrible things can happen, like the compressor cannot move enough air and actually stall, moving NO air. Higher RPMs also produce more heat than the casing is designed to move away from the turbo, boiling oil, turning it from happy lubrication to unhappy adhesive. And when the oil doesn't cool, parts melt, and when they melt, they don't keep the oil or coolant separate or even in the engine.

Another possibility is reaching a turbine or compressor wheel's burst speed. At high enough RPMs, compressor and turbine wheels can explode. And if you happen to have a cheaply manufactured turbo, this exploding wheel can shatter the housing, and send the shards off at near sonic speeds. Can you think what a sonic projectile would do to your block? Your radiator, your hood? Or if you're looking at it, your body?

But what do I know? I'm just an Aircraft mechanic.

 

[GsxEcutioner]

Dude, people aren't saying that cause he needs a DD they are saying it just to be assholes.

I know this,I was saying buy one for a DD if he knows he is going to mess stuff up. Or replace his car in general.

Also for the ones complaining about posting here and all that, " if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen". No one is keeping you here so if you don't like it, go to Dsmtalk. Dsm's were never meant for the weak.

 

[jtmcinder]

It's not about the heat in the kitchen. It's about balancing two issues that don't work well together. On one hand, there is the "misleading information" issue; any false or stoopid claim not only needs to be corrected, but the poster often needs a slap (of some sort) to prevent him or her from doing it again. On the other hand, there is the "helping and teaching" issue; when people clearly don't understand the underlying concepts, they need to have them explained. The problem is balancing the slapping with the teaching.

The way I do it is by checking other posts by the person. If they have a tendency to spout BS without warning, then they get a slap. If they have a tendency to ask questions and listen to the answers, they get a longer, gentler explanation. I know that other Wisemen do the same. So, if you got a slap and your panties are now in a twist, go take a walk and then come back and look at some of your own previous posts. In an ideal world, you'll see that you have a tendency to talk with the wrong orifice and will fix that, rather than throw a public fit about mean people on the internet.

Going to another site is Satan's option (ruling in hell rather than serving in heaven). This is the best site for DSMs by far. Don't take that route. There lies crankwalk and blown head-gaskets (to paraphrase the old saying).

 

[Tfitch90]

Ok that's too funny ### I thought something was off about him calling his car a "Him" and then he has the picture of him standing with his car and shirt off, but hey if he swings that way "don't ask, don't tell" ...
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^^^^ This whole thing was stupid as shit and disrespectful. Not once did he say any names as of to who is a know it all. Lets be serious there is some people on this site that do think they know it all.

 

[Bud92gsx]

I did the same thing one time..I was learning how to use a boost controller and turned it up way to far..23psi later and my turbo was shot....Time for an upgrade..

Life lesson learned..Know what your doing or learn from your mistakes..Theres no way around it..
Buy your t28 and have fun, and don't mess around with the boost controller this time please..Keep it under 14psi..

 

[mainerdsm]

[/QUOTE]Haha i'd love to this dude in person.
[/QUOTE]




You'd love to what me in person? ..... Shut yooo mouth kid. Your still in highschool....... I wont deal with your crap on a forum. If you knew me in person You wouldn't say a word to me..... So stop trying to be a tough on a forum facebook is for that shit......

Im not going to beat around he bush.. He was running A LOT more boost than stock with no boost gauge. Has a 4k watt amp hooked up with a sound system which is pulling more power from alt. that could be used for his fuel pump. He has neon's and tries to justify them by saying he only uses them while street racing..... Than he say he gets more girls than that other member......

IS IT just me or is it annoying as shit that far and few between noobs do this and everyone defends them and says he is a noob...... He knew what he was saying than saying he street races with his neon's on thinking we are going to be impressed. I was a noob once BUT NEVER ONCE did i post shit about neon's and street racing and how much i get laid compared to other members . That's a respect issue. Than he continues to say he'd like to do something to me in person... You never will so SHUT UP.

Sure I've got in to heated argument's with other members when i first joined but NEVER DID I PERSONALLY attack them. I searched and started a thread when I couldn't find the answer...

So here is your answer, your turbo seals are gone dont buy a t28 it costs more than a evo3 16g from cx racing ... Your going to need more than just a bigger turbo and injectors. Get a t28 if you want but run 8psi no more or your going to have fueling issue's.

Im out kid pissed me off and annoy's the hell out of me to cocky for this damn site.

 

[ilco187]

Wow lots of love on here... with a dsm its all a game of trial and error IMO...

im betting a HG as well as if its never been replaced that extra boost finally did it for you i dont know if its been said cause some of these posts are not worth reading, pull the exhaust manifold and see if the ports are wet it could tell if its the turbo or the engine...

 

[D's GS-T]

Haha i'd love to this dude in person.
[/QUOTE]




You'd love to what me in person? ..... Shut yooo mouth kid. Your still in highschool....... I wont deal with your crap on a forum. If you knew me in person You wouldn't say a word to me..... So stop trying to be a tough on a forum facebook is for that shit......

Im not going to beat around he bush.. He was running A LOT more boost than stock with no boost gauge. Has a 4k watt amp hooked up with a sound system which is pulling more power from alt. that could be used for his fuel pump. He has neon's and tries to justify them by saying he only uses them while street racing..... Than he say he gets more girls than that other member......

IS IT just me or is it annoying as shit that far and few between noobs do this and everyone defends them and says he is a noob...... He knew what he was saying than saying he street races with his neon's on thinking we are going to be impressed. I was a noob once BUT NEVER ONCE did i post shit about neon's and street racing and how much i get laid compared to other members . That's a respect issue. Than he continues to say he'd like to do something to me in person... You never will so SHUT UP.

Sure I've got in to heated argument's with other members when i first joined but NEVER DID I PERSONALLY attack them. I searched and started a thread when I couldn't find the answer...

So here is your answer, your turbo seals are gone dont buy a t28 it costs more than a evo3 16g from cx racing ... Your going to need more than just a bigger turbo and injectors. Get a t28 if you want but run 8psi no more or your going to have fueling issue's.

Im out kid pissed me off and annoy's the hell out of me to cocky for this damn site.[/QUOTE]





It's no worse than the know it alls, or the guys that drop the "I've been into DSMs for 15 years so I can do and say whatever the hell I want" guys. You can either just deal with it like a mature adult roll your eyes and move on or not. This isn't going to stop, and either are the noobs so find another site to take a break from it if it bothers you that much.