AWD to RWD thread, official [Merged 10-7]

[Defiant]

Originally posted by 1g4g63gs2gst
would it at all be possible to make a awd or a rwd talon or eclipse. i know this would be pointless in cost or convinece ways, but it would be a fun project. a rwd eclipse would be the shiznet.

You should do it, it couldn't be simpler. Just unbolt a couple of links and there you are.

Weren't you supposed to post last Wednesday?

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[Street Dreams]

This may have been answered before, but I couldn't find anything, what would it take to make my 93 2.0 NT a RWD car? I really want rear wheel for drifting, and because fwd basically sucks, and it's an original idea, or if not original, certainly unique. I've heard the mighty max tranny's will work, but how would I rig it? There's also making it a mid engine car, but that would be a b*tch and a half, plus I don't really have that time, money, or a spare car to drive, can anyone please help me? I'll take any help I can get, that way I can be prepared for when I can do it. Thanks guys.

 

[cait sith]

Keep dreaming, wannabe drifter.

It would cost more to fabricate your crappy N/T into RWD then it would be to MR.

 

[Colossus]

You dont have the engine bay room to turn the engine sideways to send the drivetrain back like a RWD. Also, you'd have to redo a lot of undernough components blah blah blah....in the end, it just wouldnt work or wouldnt be worth it. If you really want a RWD, sell ur car and buy a miata to drift with or something..

 

[Morphius]

You can, with a lot of work, change your car to RWD. You'd be farther ahead buying a conquest or starion. They are RWD and more readily set up to accomplish what you want.

But if you are stuck on a 1st gen...... It will take you a minimum of $1200 to start.

Option1. Using the trailing arm mounts and panhard bar mounts you make your own trailing arm and panhard bar that would attach to a solid axle. Toyota pickup or Might-max axle would work well. Next, you'll have to modify the front suspension crossmember, creating a "V" in it to allow the transmission and tranny to route above and through it. You'll have to make trans and engine mounts. Relocate the steering rack.

Option2: Start with an AWD car. As I did. The rear axle is already mounted. Be sure you have a 4 bolt rear. Do as I stated above with relation to the engine, tranny, and steering. A custom driveshsft will need to be made. Depending on the engine and transmision you are installing, will determine to what extent the floor will need to be modified. I installed a V8 with an automatic trans. In my particular case, I had to cut a "bell" from a fullsize car floor pan and weld it in place so the tranny would fit. (the hump that runs from the front to the rear on the floor pan is a trans tunnel. Notice how the DSM's have next to no bell shape near the dash panel.)

In either case, you'll need to work our the details with the fuel lines, electirical harness, etc. There is alot of work and detail that goes with a converison of this type.

My brother is working on a RWD conversion with a 91 GSX mating a 4G63 to Turbo350 GM tranny. In this case, an adapter is needed to mate the motor to the trans. Currenlty, I am developing that.

Keep us posted on your progress. Best of of luck.

 

[Street Dreams]

Thanks Morph, as for the rest of you, my crappy nt is having a lot of work done to it, and what is being done to it, don't try to tell me to go turbo, cuz trust me, I won't need it, there's some serious cash going into the engine. And why not customize my car however I want it? It's been done before, not with a 1G, but it's been done to a 2G. I think Brent Rau did it, not sure. But if y

 

[Morphius]

Solid Axle conversion......

 

[Morphius]

Originally posted by Colossus
You dont have the engine bay room to turn the engine sideways to send the drivetrain back like a RWD. Also, you'd have to redo a lot of undernough components blah blah blah....in the end, it just wouldnt work or wouldnt be worth it. If you really want a RWD, sell ur car and buy a miata to drift with or something..

Daaammmm..... last time I checked the 455 fit in there......

 

[Morphius]

More RWD handiwork, although not my own....

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by Street Dreams
Thanks Morph, as for the rest of you, my crappy nt is having a lot of work done to it, and what is being done to it, don't try to tell me to go turbo, cuz trust me, I won't need it, there's some serious cash going into the engine. And why not customize my car however I want it? It's been done before, not with a 1G, but it's been done to a 2G. I think Brent Rau did it, not sure.

You're investing heavily into a naturally aspirated 4G63? Uhhhh.... Good luck...

Considering the fact that the DSM platform is built for FWD, you're not going to have a very good RWD drift car. RWD DSM's have historically been used only for drag racing, and are not going to be ideal drift cars.

Brent Rau's car has a tubeframe rear end. There is no comparison to a N/T which has a torsion beam rear suspension setup, etc etc.

I can drift my AWD very efficiently for the weight of my car, and I didn't even have to go RWD.

You are looking at the wrong car if you want to drift. If you have all the ricer dreams you want, go right ahead. You don't strike me as very knowledgeable about these cars at all.

 

[Morphius]

Originally posted by cait sith
You're investing heavily into a naturally aspirated 4G63? Uhhhh.... Good luck...

Considering the fact that the DSM platform is built for FWD, you're not going to have a very good RWD drift car. RWD DSM's have historically been used only for drag racing, and are not going to be ideal drift cars.

Brent Rau's car has a tubeframe rear end. There is no comparison to a N/T which has a torsion beam rear suspension setup, etc etc.

I can drift my AWD very efficiently for the weight of my car, and I didn't even have to go RWD.

You are looking at the wrong car if you want to drift. If you have all the ricer dreams you want, go right ahead. You don't strike me as very knowledgeable about these cars at all.

Cait sith, take it easy on the kid!! He has the vison, let him run with it. I'd agree, a RWD car will drift better. If one can change a DSM to RWD, who says it can't be a good drift car? It's like saying, it'd be impossible to run 8's in a FWD car period. They can. If set up correctly. Dynamics of the chassis needs to be tuned.

BTW, no DSM has torsion beam rear suspension. Maybe a beam axle rear suspension (1G FWD), or trailing link (1G AWD), or SLA (short-long arm (2G AWD-FWD).

 

[leet]

If you want to drift go get a 240 or 180. A DSM is not the ideal drift platform.

 

[Morphius]

Here's a shot of my old crossmember. I've since made one slightly deeper. You can see how it's "V-cut" to allow the engine/tranny to run above it. This particular one is for sale for $250.

 

[Defiant]

You're scaring me, Morph. Please stop.

 

[gs-tclipse]

uh why dont u get a vr4 switchable tranny couldnt u switch them to rear wheel or did it switch it to fwd someon who know say somthing

 

[Spln_Hrd]

i just sold a gvr4 switchable trans, i got it from nippon motors with a 6 bolt(i did a 6 bolt into a 2g for a rich kid)

i don't know if i beleive it is swithcable either way, i never had it in a car, but it had little things writtin on the trans that told u how to switch it

 

[ericismyname]

dang, he only asked for ideas how to do it, not what you personally think of it. Im sure he probably knows its not the best car for drifting and basically all other options are better. But you dont have to sit and flame.

 

[leet]

It goes between AWD and FWD.

 

[gs-tclipse]

thanks leet nm then

 

[GRNDSM]

>plus I don't really have that time, money, or a spare car to drive, can anyone please help me?

That, right there, ends this project for you. North/south RWD conversion “can” be done, but it requires:

-Time
-Money
-Spare car to dive

+ much more...

This is NOT a project for a beginner or a person on a budget!!!

Personally, I despise drifting as a “sport”. As others have said, DSMs are not very good platforms for it anyway. But... if for some strange reason, I had to drift a DSM, I would convert it to RWD by placing a “properly designed” center differential on an AWD car.

Given a 4 bolt rear axle, DSM with around 250hp (but not much more), could make a pretty good drifting car.

Here is an idea... how much would all of you wanabe drifters would pay for such center diff?

Leon
RR

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by GRNDSM


Personally, I despise drifting as a “sport”.

I'll be so bold as to suggest you typo-ed and meant to say "drifting". In which case, I wholly agree.



Mod Edit: what ever are you talking about?

author edit: hehehehe, nice cover

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by GRNDSM
>plus I don't really have that time, money, or a spare car to drive, can anyone please help me?

That, right there, ends this project for you. North/south RWD conversion “can” be done, but it requires:

-Time
-Money
-Spare car to dive

+ much more...

This is NOT a project for a beginner or a person on a budget!!!

Personally, I despise drifting as a “sport”. As others have said, DSMs are not very good platforms for it anyway. But... if for some strange reason, I had to drift a DSM, I would convert it to RWD by placing a “properly designed” center differential on an AWD car.

Given a 4 bolt rear axle, DSM with around 250hp (but not much more), could make a pretty good drifting car.

Here is an idea... how much would all of you wanabe drifters would pay for such center diff?

Leon
RR

Get a welded center diff (or a Spool), a front LSD, and enough power and you can do mad tizzyte 4 wheel drive burnouts all day long.



I don't despise drifting in so far as I despise the posers who think they can take their old FWD econobarge into a SUPER COOL JDM DRIFT CAR!111one.

Maybe you should enter the TR7 when you get it done...

 

[GRNDSM]

>Get a welded center diff (or a Spool), a front LSD, and enough power and you
>can do mad tizzyte 4 wheel drive burnouts all day long.

You need a LOT of power and a bullet proof drivetrain to do this in 4X4 mode! A DSM with enough power to do it will not last more than a couple of tricks.... I am talking about a custom center diff, which will only send the power to the rear wheels. And it would take around 60-90 min to swap it in and out.

>I don't despise drifting in so far as I despise the posers who think they can take
>their old FWD econobarge into a SUPER COOL JDM DRIFT CAR!111one.

In certain situations drifting can be the fastest way around a corner, but that is not typical on dry pavement. Drifting for the sake of drifting is like doing donuts or burnouts.

>Maybe you should enter the TR7 when you get it done...

Right... I hope it will never come to that .

Leon
RR

 

[cait sith]

*shrug* I've seen videos of a 2G pulling that kind of shinnanigans (Also helped he had a Green/massive IC/etc) with a welded center diff, without breakage issues, but I had no idea what kind of tranny work other than the diff though. Granted, he was just doing parking lot-bozo stuff.

The diff idea seems like a neat one. I'd try it out for giggles, although you don't need strictly RWD to drift. Maybe to do BURNOUTS, but not to drift dry pavement. I like it for the car control/personal entertainment.

Anyways, getting a little off topic. I, personally, would be interested in a diff like that, sure. Always looking for something new to screw around with.

 

[Jaysgsx14]

I think you should sell your N/A car and get a gsx. You probably could get a decent amount of money if in good shape and the right buyer. Look in the paper older tsi's AWD and gsx's are pretty cheap. I don't know about you but I live in Connecticut and drifting is a sport for me and when it comes to snow AWD is a must, while in the rain I can still nail it into 4th side ways. GSX GSX GSX GSX!!!!
P.S anyone close to Connecticut ? trying to find more fans of the DSM's