AWD to RWD thread, official [Merged 10-7]

[AWDlaserRS]

I never said i wanted to do it to my car, In fact I specifically said I didn't way back in the first post. I just had an idea and I was wondering if it would work.

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by Jason84
actually the awd dsms are 60/40 more rear aernt they ?(thats what i thought but i dont know everything )

70/30? 60/40? i was told that since our AWD has a viscious center diff, that is puts out a 60/40 in the begining and then goes to a 50/50, thats why they sell kits or u can weld it so its a full time 50/50 but then again im not positive either

 

[13secGST]

umm yeh...so is it hard to turn FWD into RWD...that would be really tite. Then maybe I could get mad sideways when I boost. All you have to do is turn the engine the other way right...so it points backwards....then the power shoots out at the back wheels right? Mad tite yo...mad tite.

BTW: I am SOOOOOO serious

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by AWDlaserRS
I never said i wanted to do it to my car, In fact I specifically said I didn't way back in the first post. I just had an idea and I was wondering if it would work.

i know,i'm just messin' with ya,but you know right well theres something in the back of your head that says "wow,RWD turbo DSM! burnouts! donuts! yeah!!"

because it floats around in my head sometimes too,but then logic takes over

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by allwheelTSI


i know,i'm just messin' with ya,but you know right well theres something in the back of your head that says "wow,RWD turbo DSM! burnouts! donuts! yeah!!"

because it floats around in my head sometimes too,but then logic takes over

i know exactly what u mean, ur like hmm SMOKE SHOW, HEHEHEHE but then ur like yeah right, cause i know i WOULDNT trade me AWD for ANYTHING

 

[Shortshift]

FWD Smoke show

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by My99LaserAWD


70/30? 60/40? i was told that since our AWD has a viscious center diff, that is puts out a 60/40 in the begining and then goes to a 50/50, thats why they sell kits or u can weld it so its a full time 50/50 but then again im not positive either

No, allwheelTSI is right, DSMs are straight 50/50 until something tries to slip. Then it gets serious. Subaru, Audi, VW, Lamborghini, almost all the rest of them do some wacky splitting, but DSMs are done right.

 

[psychlow]

but DSMs are done right.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[OddyseusDSM]

thanks Defiant, i was getting scared when i was getting into this thread. the only split i really like other than a DSM split is the STi split which is like 35/65.

 

[bigjangin]

i always thought the spit was 60 rear 40 front all the time.

 

[AWDlaserRS]

Originally posted by allwheelTSI


i know,i'm just messin' with ya,but you know right well theres something in the back of your head that says "wow,RWD turbo DSM! burnouts! donuts! yeah!!"

because it floats around in my head sometimes too,but then logic takes over

yeah pretty much. ............I mean no.......burnouts never crossed my mind You gotta admit though having a RWD DSM would be pretty fun for awhile. Itd be sweet if you could swich between RWD and AWD but that will never happen. Oh well AWD is fun as hell in the snow

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by OddyseusDSM
thanks Defiant, i was getting scared when i was getting into this thread. the only split i really like other than a DSM split is the STi split which is like 35/65.

35/65? in what setting the sti has a manual center diff wit i think its 3 different setting, kinda like the jdm evo wit the electronic diff wit the 3 buttons for tarmac gravel and snow, onl the us ones dont have it, but the sti one is manual, and im pretty sure are cars are 50/50, but NOT all the time im pretty sure under INITIAL load it starts out as i htink its a 60/40 but only for like a second or two and then even out to a 50/50

 

[Defiant]

It's _only_ and _always_ 50/50 on T/E/Ls. The only thing that will alter it is bad traction. There are no gearsets to split torque distribution, you have the same final drive front and rear, and the couplings are viscous clutchpacks which are controlled only by the goo inside them.

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by Defiant
It's _only_ and _always_ 50/50 on T/E/Ls. The only thing that will alter it is bad traction. There are no gearsets to split torque distribution, you have the same final drive front and rear, and the couplings are viscous clutchpacks which are controlled only by the goo inside them.

two words.. thick headed.

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by allwheelTSI


two words.. thick headed.

two words....... DSMTuners WISEMAN

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by My99LaserAWD



two words....... DSMTuners WISEMAN

i think you misunderstood my statement? me and Defiant are in agreeance,my comment was directed at the people who keep going on about "oh i thought it was blah blah blah,or,well this is this and yadda yadda that"
even though both myself and Defiant told them it was a 50/50.

 

[My99LaserAWD]

ohh ok guess i did misunderstand then, sorry

 

[Initial DSM]

I bought a tranny that has a welded diff, so how does that exactly work? Is it worth it? I'm not too fond of it during turns btw

Btw, wasnt there a video clip floating around the net of a 1g doing a rwd burnout? I used to have that clip. I dont imagine he went through the trouble of rotating the engine. I wonder how he did it.

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by allwheelTSI


two words.. thick headed.

Yeah, some of them learn a little slow. But I wonder- is the DSM scheme the _only_ true 50/50 split out there? I think the big bruiser stuff (Jeeps, old military trucks) have an uneven split, the Subarus, Audis, Porsches, Lambos all do.... I don't know about the old Jensen FF for sure, but I think it was uneven as well.... Crap, more web-surfing in my future.

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by Defiant
Yeah, some of them learn a little slow. But I wonder- is the DSM scheme the _only_ true 50/50 split out there? I think the big bruiser stuff (Jeeps, old military trucks) have an uneven split, the Subarus, Audis, Porsches, Lambos all do.... I don't know about the old Jensen FF for sure, but I think it was uneven as well.... Crap, more web-surfing in my future.

 

[Nomad666]

why not mount the engine in the back. Wouldn't that work???

 

[Defiant]

There's a few twin-engines floating around out there. Think of that on your way to sleep, and see what kind of dreams it gives you.

Hopefully, not just tuning nightmares....

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by Defiant
There's a few twin-engines floating around out there. Think of that on your way to sleep, and see what kind of dreams it gives you.

Hopefully, not just tuning nightmares....

yeah,tuning that thing would be crazy,running a standalone setup,i wonder if it would be possible to run both engines off one unit,as an 8 cylinder. or possibly get one tuned and use the same maps on both engines with seperate ECU's.
and then comes getting it to shift both trannies.. yikes..
suzuki did it.. i'm gonna research that and see what they did for engine management.

 

[1g4g63gs2gst]

would it at all be possible to make a awd or a rwd talon or eclipse. i know this would be pointless in cost or convinece ways, but it would be a fun project. a rwd eclipse would be the shiznet.

 

[workin_on_it]

if you wan't awd, get an awd.
rwd has been done and there are benefits compared to fwd in most types of racing......rwd is easier to get a little oversteer, which is great for road or autocross type racing, and better launches can be had with rwd compared to front because of weight transfer.....