All motor hybrid questions.

[Spyder Sean]

Ok bought a 96 gs spyder had a 2.4l sohc head. Just bought a 2.0 Dohc. Was going to turbo but decided too many problems as this will be my DD in the summer only! Would like to push At least 300 WHP. Need ideas for the head parts for now building one thing at a time. I have looked in to kiggly behive springs and 280 cams is this a g9od.start or not? If you could list parts below that would help me get this.goal and links please do thanks.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

What's with the not-so-black-guy shouting "#####" 6529375928759 times.
Is that a honda thing, too?

I'd better let my gf know - she took the civic today. If she's not out there calling people nigs left and right she's letting down the community.

 

[WES_393]

uummm- Yes, thats a good point that was brought up (and drown out) earlier. The stock 4g64 pistons have been known to reliably handle 300hp. Of course results may differ depending on the tune and setup, but the stock pistons are usually okay for most street builds involving a 16g or less. If there's any doubt that you'll want more power in the near future, now would definitely be the time to build the block.

 

[miliman13]

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY ""Spyder Sean"" - "" Hey watch this video it's all motor Honda. Tell me this looks cheap. Not trying to be rude just showing you something for the future.""

Response- W.T.F ! Is that garbage video about? 1/6th of the video was about the engine, the rest of the time was The most """ quintessential"""" Example of the trash, that makes up the Honda game. What are you proving? Besides the obvious that no amount of money invested in a honda ,whether it's : K, B, D, or any series for that matter, will even be capable of competing with a stock dsm?

Look man this is not the honda game this is an entirely higher class : both on the engineering aspect, and the quality of people who make up the DSM world.

Like you, I too matured from the childlike stage of honda, into a more mature and respectful stage.
I promise you no one dsm'r will ever sound like that fool you have ranting on that video. The crazy thing is he is ecstatic over something i've done in a bone stock block.

Boosting is fair !, as impressive as that honda engine is. It will pop! like a balloon under real boost, So what does that tell you about the " All motor Theory" ? if it's the motor thats truly making the power.

 

[uummm]

While we have this thread going trying to help this guy out, is there anyone that can post up a link on what you have to do to put a 63 head on a 64 block? I have been searching for info myself, but I can't really find anything more than there is some oil drains you have to block off. Something with pics of what you need to do would be nice. It's not something that's necessarily needed, but for him (and myself) it would be good to see what we are going to get into and be able to plan ahead.

 

[Firsts tuner]

While we have this thread going trying to help this guy out, is there anyone that can post up a link on what you have to do to put a 63 head on a 64 block? I have been searching for info myself, but I can't really find anything more than there is some oil drains you have to block off. Something with pics of what you need to do would be nice. It's not something that's necessarily needed, but for him (and myself) it would be good to see what we are going to get into and be able to plan ahead.

DOHC Head Swap Parts List That help?

 

[Spyder Sean]

Lol ya your right that guy is annoying but idc about him just the car. And there is a kid up here with a boosted Honda who sounds like the guy off the video really Annoying. He is pushing 580 boosted in his integra I would like to shit on him . Or punch him in the face which ever comes first. But the pistons that I have are 86.5mm stock. I was told to get forged ones but I don't know cause the whole boost thing is new to me like I said my friends put all my other cars togather and now its just me. But I wanna build the head first and around 600 or more whp would be Awsome. Soo ideas for the 63 Head would be Awsome.

 

[uummm]

^^ For that power level, you are going to want to at least have forged pistons if not forged rods too.

DOHC Head Swap Parts List That help?

Yes, that is a good start. Thanks.

 

[Spyder Sean]

So 86.5mm forged pistons. And are h beam rods good?

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here is my head it has a valve job that's it.

Reading is essential.






And 280 cams and Kiggly Beehive's are way overkill. The stock 4g64 bottom end can't even reliably handle over 350hp or 7-7.5K RPM, so the most I would suggest is some mild 272's (DKS, BC, etc) and maybe slightly upgraded springs (BC or Manley).






But cant I get a new crank so itll handle more with new rods and Pistons. And so i jear a lot of people talking about 700 fwhp what if I want something like this. Starting with the head what could I do.

Here's an easier way to put this I need some ideas for a full rotating assembly to push 600 700 fwhp if possible. That would be a great start.

 

[boost97gst]

what's with the not-so-black-guy shouting "#####" 6529375928759 times.
Is that a honda thing, too?

I'd better let my gf know - she took the civic today. If she's not out there calling people nigs left and right she's letting down the community.

! Lol

 

[Spyder Sean]

Engine Rotating Assembly, Competition, 7-Bolt Forged Crank, Forged Pistons, H-Beam, Mitsubishi, Kit
Would this be something to run. I see a lot of people are running eagle h beam rods in the bottom end for well over 700 hp. Remind you my goals are between 600 to 700

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

My how this discussion has changed.

 

[Spyder Sean]

Yes yes it has . Now just trying t figure out my bottom end. So I can run 600-700 whp

 

[GofaST4life]

Yes yes it has . Now just trying t figure out my bottom end. So I can run 600-700 whp

So let me get this straight.

You started this thread, being completely new to our platform, wanting to build a 300whp NA Spyder which would take A LOT of time/money/patience...and now, a week later your going to build it for 600-700whp?

Let me guess...your going to stay FWD too?

I don't think you have slightest clue as to what those goals are going to be getting you into. Most people that have that kind of power are certainly AWD, spend months on planning the build, let a lone buying parts, and have been in the DSM world much longer than you.

Good luck.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

So let me get this straight.

You started this thread, being completely new to our platform, wanting to build a 300whp NA Spyder which would take A LOT of time/money/patience...and now, a week later your going to build it for 600-700whp?

Let me guess...your going to stay FWD too?

I don't think you have slightest clue as to what those goals are going to be getting you into. Most people that have that kind of power are certainly AWD, spend months on planning the build, let a lone buying parts, and have been in the DSM world much longer than you.

Good luck.

FWD here.. and try years of planning, with much trial and error along the way building up to this point.

 

[GofaST4life]

FWD here.. and try years of planning, with much trial and error along the way building up to this point.

I stand corrected.
Majority would be AWD I would think, and im sure you would agree.



But either way, the OP thinks he is just going to grab the parts he needs and throw it all together and have 600+whp at the end.

 

[GPTourer]

FWD hate aside, it is odd how you went from hating the idea of a turbo, hating on DSMs for not being as good as Hondas because you couldn't just slap together a 350whp N/A after just a couple of weeks owning one and now are all in on skipping straight to a stage eleventyteen turbo with 700whp.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Because I get the feeling, that whatever he wants.. he wants it NAO!!!!

 

[GofaST4life]

FWD hate aside, it is odd how you went from hating the idea of a turbo, hating on DSMs for not being as good as Hondas because you couldn't just slap together a 350whp N/A after just a couple of weeks owning one and now are all in on skipping straight to a stage eleventyteen turbo with 700whp.

Exactly.


FYI, im NOT hating on FWD, all my previous DSMs where GSTs.

But 600+ hp on a FWD Spyder? This kid has zero idea.

 

[Spyder Sean]

Funny how you guys assume all this. I haven't bought in parts yet still researching. And second for now yes it is a FWD but later down the road I do plan on swapping in the AWD. It didn't take me two weeks to build the Honda. Actually about two years. I would think you fellows dsmers would think hey coming from a Honda to a dsm pretty sweet let's help him out from our trial and error. But it seems you guys just don't want to help me out. Which is fine. I know most of you have done this or are pretty close to doing this. You would think that me putting a turbo on my car not trying to do the all motor would show you guys Hey I was an idiot to think I could do just a thing, and you guys proved your point. All I want is to know is how to build a motor for something like this. If you can help that would be fine. If not I will gladly delete this posting and learn by trial and error. And just tell people who recommend this site for help that I had already tried and got nothing but criticism and a slap in the face. You would think you guys would be appreciative to somebody like me and take advantage to help a noob like me out and tell me how to do this. Just tell me if im wasting my car or not.

FWD hate aside, it is odd how you went from hating the idea of a turbo, hating on DSMs for not being as good as Hondas because you couldn't just slap together a 350whp N/A after just a couple of weeks owning one and now are all in on skipping straight to a stage eleventyteen turbo with 700whp.

I owned a 97 gs eclipse with the 2.0 dohc for almost 2 years before this as a daily driver so hating on dsms no... Just had no intentions of ever building one

Exactly.


FYI, im NOT hating on FWD, all my previous DSMs where GSTs.

But 600+ hp on a FWD Spyder? This kid has zero idea.

Correct if you read my post and thread I admit I have no clue of what I'm doing. Reading is good

 

[GPTourer]

I've seen you post in this and other threads and you've gotten more then just criticism and a slap in the face. But whatever.

The site has all the info you need, you just need to search and read it. Every week someone new comes in starting a thread like this "How can I make 6, 7, 8, 9, 1000+ hp?" And they just bought the car, have no clue. Start by turboing the car, then make 300whp, then 400, and so on. There's no easy 1-2-3 steps to 700hp. OR wait, maybe there is...

1. Call top level DSM shop of your choosing...
2. Drop car off with them.
3. Leave credit card laying on seat.

 

[Spyder Sean]

You know don't take offense to this but I could easily drop 50k in my car and have sombody else do this. And for the 1 pr 2 other postings I've written in they ignore my question. Tell me please tell me when you bought your car you Knew everything about it. And again I have been researching on what to use I could build my bottom in. And my top in. Heck I listed some parts up there in the precious threads and asked if they were any good cause I've never ran them obviously in a dsm. And no body answered. So instead of buying something and it not working I'm trying to get feed back here. Soo why are you guys saying this stuff. First I wasn't going turbo oh let's argue with him. Now I'm going turbo... And arguing about my goals... What the hell is wrong like talk about critisize. I think if your not going to help JUST STOP POSTING please more things I gotta read through to get the answers I'm looking fr.

 

[dsmgst1996]

Ok to start your stock crank will hold 600 hp your pistons and rods are the weak point. So to get you started here is a list
J.E pistons
Egale rods
Knife edge crank
Balance shafts removal kit
Cosmic head gaaket
Arp head studs
Arp main studs
Bearings of your choice
Cams 272/272
Head needs ported and polished
Use the springs you plan to use
Upgrade your valves to your choice
hx40 holset turbo
Tail wastegate
Tubular manifold
Dsmlink or 99 ecu with open port 2.0
Wideband o2
2 walbro 255 with rewire
Adjustable fuel presure regulator
New fuel lines
2000 cc injectors u pick the brand
Water/meth injection kit
Fmic hard pipe kit
3inch turbo back exhaust with cat delete
Any popular brand of any iten is popular because they work keep that in mind Im sure Im forgetting some things but with this a proper tune and a steady supply of e85 you should be breaching the 500-550 hp mark and you will start smashing thru trannies clutches and axles but Thats another thread

 

[GPTourer]

Yeah, that looks good. I say instead of the Holset go full Garrett and get like a 6262.

 

[Cdc1221]

Spyder Sean, do your research first before posting. Not trying to be argumentive, but you will gain more respect and get morehelp when you do this. I've been a member here for over a year, and just ordered everything to start my first ever forged engine build. I chose eagle h beam rods because they've been proven to over 800 HP, and can take a beating from a daily driven car. I chose wisecos for the same reason. These decisions came from researching the components and looking at others builds, based off what goals I have for my own car.

 

[Spanky_DSM]

. And if you guys wunna look really stupid go to YouTube and type in otl raceing guys are pushing 320 who with over 12k in the car. Now can I get help or what. Haters goin to Hate[/QUOTE]

Just because they did doesnt mean you did... Post up your build and in all honesty it is foolish to waste that much for just a weak 320hp.