Air Intake help

[EagleTalonTim]

I have just recently bought an Air Intake from ebay. It was the cheapest one that I could find...probably not the best thing i could have done, but I wanted it just to say I have one. The first time i installed it, i removed the mass airflow sensor and it ran awesome! The next morning when it was cold, i had to keep my foot a little on the throttle to keep it running until it warmed up. When i took it for a test drive, I noticed the difference right away. It had more power and torque with a noticable difference. After reading in the forum on here, it says to not disconnect the mass airflow sensor, so i put it back together with the UGLY air can and MAF all in one....now the car still feels like it is running stock. Any ideas on what i can do that does not cost alot to get rid of the Aircan/MAF assembly?

 

[pooker]

Honey comb removal.

 

[EagleTalonTim]

are you meaning the metal mesh that is at the very tip of the MAF? I have already removed the paper silencer or whatever that thing was and have cut the Aircan open to allow more airflow to get to the airfilter. I just need more options.

 

[talontuner1997]

go to www.ca.dsm.org then click bulletin board, then at the top you will see vfaq pages click that then click dsm modification site then click intake and look for 1g air can mod and it will tell you how to mod the honey comb

 

[EagleTalonTim]

ok, i have found something i may be able to try, but i am kind of worried about burning up my ecu while attempting this.

http://www.vfaq.com/mods/2GMAF-1G.html

Has anyone tried this before...and if so, what are the results?

 

[Auto RS T]

Here is the link to lower honeycomb removal. This will cause the car to run leaner by allowing unmetered air to the motor.

http://vfaq.com/mods/filter-print.html

You don't have to run the air can. On my n/t I just ran the cold air to the open element filter and clamped it to the Mas.

I wouldn't install the 2g Mas without more mods. Just running the 2g Mas alone may be too lean. It flows much more than a 1g Mas. I would look more into the effects of running a 2g Mas in a n/t before I continued on.

 

[EagleTalonTim]

What are the possiblities that may happen if i run my car without the MAF hooked up like i did in the beginning. It ran fine without it, even a little faster....it was just harder to start when it was cold.

 

[freshlane]

higher idle and car will surge periodically. NOT! a good thing to do. Your ecu calibrates with the metered air entering your intake

 

[EagleTalonTim]

is there any way to bypass the MAF? I have seen on some cars, you can put a resistor at a certain ohm that will make the computer think that it is getting a perfect amount of air. I am just stuck on the idea that the MAF on my 1g is restricting alot of airflow in the first place due to the diameter of the allowed air flow chambers.

 

[xveganxcowboyx]

is there any way to bypass the MAF? I have seen on some cars, you can put a resistor at a certain ohm that will make the computer think that it is getting a perfect amount of air. I am just stuck on the idea that the MAF on my 1g is restricting alot of airflow in the first place due to the diameter of the allowed air flow chambers.

That depends, do you like a car that continues to run properly?

The MAF is an integral part of your car. You could spend a ton of money bypassing/replacing it properly to see a couple extra ponies or you could just leave it alone. Running without it or cheating the system in anyway is a great way to f*ck sh*t up.

If you want power, go turbo.

 

[EagleTalonTim]

if i disconnect the MAF and suffer the harder starting problem, would it ever hurt my motor? I was able to adjust the idle screw to keep a decent idle and prevent surging. It can idle smoothly at 1000 +- 100 with the MAF disconnected. I can feel a MAJOR increase in torque with full throttle to about 6400 rpm and less to no back pressure sounds from the exauhst while deccelerating.

 

[xveganxcowboyx]

Most likely you'll run rich and waste a ton of gas. Probably dirty everything up and plug your cat. That's assuming everything runs fine in safe/default mode. I don't know all the details of what your ecu will do without it.

The potential to damage your engine is definitely there. Your engine injects a certain amount of fuel for the air coming in. Your MAF tells the car how much air is coming in. What do you expect will happen if it has no idea how much air is entering?

Frankly, i'm surprised it runs well at all with the MAF unhooked. Either way, stop dicking around with things you shouldn't and PUT YOUR MAF BACK ON! I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but what you're doing is really stupid.

 

[EagleTalonTim]

ok, I have put it back on just for safety precautions while i found out the effects of what it may do.

I am just looking for ways to add noticable HP and/or torque without getting a turbo.

 

[mkgearhead]

You'll get a noticeable improvement with an intake cam from a turbo motor (assuming you have a 4G63 motor). A header and exhaust system will also wake it up. I did that on my '93 GS and it ran great.

 

[EagleTalonTim]

opps....repost twice.

 

[EagleTalonTim]

I already have a header and upgraded exahust from the downpipe to the muffler. No Cat. either. Not a big worry where i live. the only problem i have is getting ahold of a cam from a turbo car. anyone know where i can get one that is not that expensive and if i do purchase one, do i have to change anything else on the motor?

 

[freshlane]

I noticed a huge difference when i did my swap. I had a stock 4g63 NT motor. Then I swapped it for a JDM 4g63 K motor and noticed a big difference. The K motor has turbo cams and gives is a slightly more aggresive idle and about a 30hp bump in hp. I also installed some nice Denso Irid plugs. There isn't much else we can really do for our cars. After I realized that I opted for the much debated nitrous. I started with a dry kit but noticed me car tended to go lean very slightly. Then i converted it to a wet kit and it runs great. I am making a custom fuel rail to feed the kit directly. I cannot wait till the weather gets nice and I get to run it on the track. Intake/Header/Exhaust, unfortunately those are our only options