8psi-laughed upon

[HooahGST]

I was once 16...
I had a toyota tercel. WOOHOO! I was young, dumb, and full of c*m. I wanted boost like my friends with all tracs, mr2's, supras. I was working a decent job but didnt have the 5-6-7-8 grand to just dump into a newer already turbo'd car.
I spent nearly 2 years trying to "turbo" my tercel. There is a turbo engine from japan that "bolts" right in but they werent as easy to get as they are now. So we bought part after part after part from that jdm motor and slowly and $$$ put that turbo tercel together. After it was all done and tuned i ran a 14.7. It was respectable. I spent about 8 grand. WTF???? Looking back i LEARNED alot about cars. Mechanically as well as what I should have done. I should have slowly saved up the 8grand i spent on the car over 2 years, waited til i was 18, then bought something for 8g's or put a down payment on something that was fast.
So yeah, it ran a 14.7...........ONCE! after a few weeks it wasnt SUCK-SQUEEZE-BANG-BLOW.
It was....SUCK-SQUEEZE-BANG-BANG-BANG-BOOM-CLINK-CRACK.OUCH!.
What a headache. I put the car back to its naturally aspirated form and sold it for $4k. Then put 4k down on a 2000 Z28 with the a$$ kicken LS1. Slowy put money into that THE RIGHT WAY and ran 12's...consistantly..for years.
Save your self the headache..buy some wheels and tires and a system...clean it all up....keep the back seat EMPTY so you can get some friday night poon poon and SAVE YOUR MONEY.
I'm not puting in my 2cents here young buck, i'm puttin in my $8 grand.
Good luck!
Just join in the Army in 2 years and get a HUGE sign on bonus and by an EVO or something that will run more than the famous 8 psi that you are looking for!
HOOAHGst

 

[eldiabloz13]

hooahgst......i take it your in the military just by the name .Funny thing is im goen for cia or nsa so a miltary backround is nessicary.But i still have 2 years before that signen bonus can come to me. Plus i just want to work on my car and have a sense of accomplishment.Im not maken it to impress people, im not doing it because people are sayen shit......im doing it because i want to, granted they do think 8 psi is a joke. I'm going to do this and then if they say anything im going to show them.....is DEFINITLY isnt what they think.I want a challenge and i want to know everything about dsm's. What better way then do this work yourself. You will pretty much learn what every single part is just by a simple turbo install and putting new pistons and rods and some questions. Thanks for the help guys. I think pretty much every question has been answered here so when people want to ask the same question we can just give them this link. It will handle all their questions cause im asking and researching every little thing possible so i dont blow myself/car up and to help otheres that need to know how to do it. Thanks to everyone that helped you guys rock . Thanks to the wisemen for there knowlage to help and the moderators for not shutting this down or thinking it was dumb cause i know its going to help a bunch of people.ok im guna go work on my car now .

 

[ShadowWulf]

Check my profile, i have a built 2gn/t also, and man its ALOT of work and CASH to get it built and built right. Im just waiting for turbo now that everything else is about done with.

 

[rs-t eclipse]

I WANT MORE BOOST!!!!! 8 psi is laughed upon people around my area. I get rich daddy's little boys and especially girls with there suped up WRX's and damn V-tek's. I don't even have my car turbo yet so i don't care. Plus i do it for the fun of modding not showing off. But when i hear 8psi the first thought that comes to mind is.....thats not a lot.Now can i get turbo rods and pistons and put them in my 2g 420a if i get the cylinder bored out. Then run higher psi or am i dreaming to big. Please iv been sent to the N/A part of the site but since posting isn't allowed i cant so don't bother telling me.I just need to know if i can get higher psi is if bore out the cylinder and make them the right size for turbo rods and pistons. If not how can i get turbo rods and pistons for that engine.

if you but 8 psi to your 420a trust me a civic with vtec doesn't have a chance. unless he's spraying or got turbo kit then it be a good race. most hondas never go over 7psi unlessed there built or its a b18

 

[rs-t eclipse]

EDIT: 8psi is not laughable for an eclipse nt. that will give it over 250 hp most likely if you are using a fmic.

agreed

 

[DubV]

FYI, if your insurance company finds out that you bolted a turbo onto a non turbo car, they could refuse to pay any claim. You said that your parents don't know about it and therefore your insurance company probably doesn't either. Other things are easy to get away with like rods and pistons, but if an adjuster comes by to see your car after a wreck and sees an FMIC, you might be in trouble. This doesn't happen very often but it is a good piece of info to know.

 

[Clay]

In reguards to your ECU question. NO company, i know of, makes a full replacement ECU for the 420a engine. You can stick to the stock compression on your rebuild but it is recommended you use lower compression FORGED 8.8:1 pistons for the sake of tuning.
Like everyone has screamed over and over NO you can't use 4g63 pistons in the 420a. Get some JE's and bore to .20 if any boring is required.

Reasearch the old threads at www.2gnt.com
There is a dedicated forum for Turbo related disscussion on the 420a.

The key to making your project successful is researching not asking juvenile questions.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Insurance is cheaper for me than if I had a non-turbo DSM.... weird huh?

same here after I sold the gs that I turboed and turned into a 5 speed because I though my insurance would skyrocket with a turbo car turns out the GSX was alot cheaper...1.) AWD brought insurance down 2.) The 5 speed tranny brought the insurance down and the factory security system took the insurace down. I was suprised. Also like some have said do it all at once and, from personal experience customs kits suck balls. Buy the kit, one of the real ones.

 

[andytalon]

exactly......see eveyone thinks its a big joke when a 16 year old comes im and wants his gs to hold 15 psi......im not going to be running that but maybe 13. Im just saying i think custom pistons and rods will hold 15psi.Also i still need to know if i can take gst or gsx pistons and rods and put them in the block........but are they bigger then the cylinder or smaller.....in other words will they need to be bored before they will fit. thanks guys!!!

im 16 too, but im not saying im crazy or anything but Ive learned so much just from my 1,600 doller car, and Dsmtuners(Thanks you all), its awsome, I just cant wait till Somone takes it off my hands so I can go to college, I got a 5k offer. I got a 92 gsx Completely stock waitin for me!! cant wait now that I understand everythin about them I cant basicly do anything, I got soooo much planed for my 92

 

[99gst_racer]

Thread moved to 2G N/T - Turbo Conversion forum.

Guys, keep this thread on topic or your post will be deleted. Only post if you have something that will contribute to the thread.

 

[BigRand]

Okay man, here is what your gonna do if you can't sell your car but what some more power now.
1st: Read all the tech articles on this site, and mean all of them, non turbo and turbo tech articles.

2nd:go to www.hahnracecraft.com and read the whole site, top to bottom, even if you do a custom kit you will learn a lot.

3rd: go to www.2gnt.com look under mods and info, and read EVERYTHING in there. And EVERYTHING in Corbrins page as well.

Then you'll go to howellautomotive.com, moderperformance.com, hahnracecraft.com, and other 2gnt.com sites and price out exactly what its going to cost you.

You seem like a good guy who wants to build something with what you got, but it kind of sounds like you need alot more knowlege before you dive right in there, and regret what you started, plus if you do really blow your motor what are you and your parents gonna do about that.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

all of these non- belivers IE people who own a GS-t or GS-x
need to stop replying with stupid answers...

the n/t is a good plat form it just need's alot of loving

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

eldiabloz, apparently your a little confused as to what compression even is. I just simply are offended by you saying that 420A are one of the best compression motors. Every motor has compression, but if your referring to higher compression, I am more impressed by honda motors with 15:1 compresion. Please read up about what compression is.

The 420A is not nearly a shitty motor as every turbo guy makes it out to be. In fact, id rather turbo a 420A anyday over a B or K series engine. However most turbo guys have realized the one main fact. The 420A takes a lot more work, time, will have less reliability, than the same horsepowered 4g63. I had a beauitful little NT for 2 years that I planned on turboing, and trust me I Was 16 too, I know how it feels to be younger. But I shut my mouth and didnt say anything ignorant and was patient. I researched and researched and discovered flaws as in not only turboing the engine, but dealing with other variables. Most people dont even think long-term about what effect the turbo will have on proper cooling on their engine, how many times your going to destroy your axles and the simple fact that 4g63 parts are typically cheaper and there is a wealth of information.

WAit the two years till you are out of their control and then decide which route you want to take. And for that money you earn, you say what else am I gonna spend it on? Throw it into retirement funds. Throw it into ROTH IRAs....OR just put it into a few CDs to earn a couple bucks while you research and think nthings over. I used up (and notice I Didnt use wasted as I enjoyed my gs) a lot of money on my gs trying to make it more powerful without doing anything stupid, that money would hav ebeen better spent sitting in a bank account until I had gotten my gsx.

PS- No offense, but posts like yours that show you have no idea what is really going on with your engine (not knowing what compression was, thinking you could just throw on stuff, buying a t25 and stock sidemount to turbo your 420A) How did you achieve a proven member status? There should really be a little quiz to become a proven member that has 25 random questions that loop in a 10 question quiz that you can only take once a month. That way the people that are proven at least know half of what they are talking about and maybe just didnt get good reviews from their friends.

 

[99gst_racer]

I've deleted 8 posts from this thread now. This is not The Hangout! Stay on topic or this thread will be locked.

 

[dr1665]

I've deleted 8 posts from this thread now. This is not The Hangout! Stay on topic or this thread will be locked.

And what I find particularly interesting about this thread, is how the original poster has not been in the thread since September 11th. This was bumped by a no0b almost four months after the fact. Nothing wrong with demonstrating you can use the search, but worth mentioning.

 

[destruckeclipse]

all of these non- belivers IE people who own a GS-t or GS-x
need to stop replying with stupid answers...

the n/t is a good plat form it just need's alot of loving

Indeed, to turbo the 420a means alot of money, or alot of labor. I opted for the easy route, and kept the RS close by for when my gsx breaks.

I totaly agree with what d_eclipse said, when I first got my Nt, all I wanted to do was turbo it. 2 years later, tons of reading, and I came to a different path.

I would seriously restate the fact anyone looking to turbo their 2gnt, read all the threads you can here, and on 2gnt.com before even buying 1 part, that is what made my decision. I want to have a beast, and quite frankly the NT platform would take way more money and put out less in the long run.

 

[XMasta19]

you're all n00bs...if you don't have a turbo 420a, then do us all a favor and don't even talk about it


EDIT: not aimed towards you of course brian

 

[420aVOS]

ok so before i post this i want yall to know this isnt me bragging its just me trying to make a point. that said i have a 99 gs pushing around the 25 psi range and by no means was it cheaper or easier than buying a gsx or t, however not many can say they have 400+ power in there gs, now in price, 15 pounds is going to be price if its to be even close to reliable, my price tag is in the area of 15K of years of hard earned money and doing labor myself and over a year of buliding, best advice i can give is before you start know it all be able to do all the work yourself cuz a motor like that you will be doing alot of little work all the time. and above all else do it once and do it RIGHT. now 420a do not have balance shafts, 4g63 internals will in no way work not only are they bigger but they are taller and correct me if im wrong but the stroke on a 4g is longer than a 420a so the geomtry of the motor would not work even with custo rods. ok i have talked myself out. happy boosting to all

 

[XMasta19]

I love dyno sheets



oh yeah...rs + custom turbo kit = less than most 2g turbo models

 

[BigRand]

that said i have a 99 gs pushing around the 25 psi range and by no means was it cheaper or easier than buying a gsx or t, however not many can say they have 400+ power in there gs,

It just brings tears to my eyes man, love what ya did,

 

[eldiabloz13]

ok WOW, i cant beleive this post if still being discussed upon. I started this about what seems to be 6 months ago maybe. Im not to sure but there is a big difference between me when i started it and me now. First off the guy about 5 posts before me with the name that starts with a D.this first part is directed towards you. Yeh i feel i am capible of making my GS turbo now. I feel that just because you all may know im 16 you automatically get a feeling i dont know what im talking about. Well i can safely say i do now and since i got my liscense turboing a GS has been easier then maybe most have done. I got all my parts for less then 700 bucks and made my car turbo in less then 4 days which everyone said it wouldent work. So yeh about not knowing what im talking about......4 days with help from a friend that owns a GSX not a GS and only knows basics and a mechanic and his friend who is another mechanic id say this stupid 16 year old did what most havent. Now heres how. My parents said no turbo or working on my car b/c they think id crash it. Well heres how it goes.

My bro is a pro welder he made me a manifold, i cut my DP and welded the flange back on to fit the turbo manifold to fit the t-25 NOT A T3. OHH even harder ay.... not really. 02 housing i didnt have to make and baught it for 5 bucks. I then made my 2.5 exhaust. I did my rewired fuel pump under the table also then i switched the injectors to 450's i may have done the FMU also but i dont remember b/c i did these 2 a day before i said my car died. Heres where the real work began. On such a short notice i had to say i blew my cluth and it would be in the shop. Being in trouble for fighting in school i got suspended and worked on my car during the days. Started off with smic put in and pipes made first day. Put the turbo on the manifold and hooked up the exhaust. My mechanic ran the lines for everything and did the oil pan stuff also. The next day he wired the safc and missing link or w/e. The 3rd day was all the small stuff. Doings test and making sure it ran. Some stuff was still missing and the 4th day we fixed it and wen on the road. So 4 days to turbo a GS. When or if i sell my car. Ill do it all again to be honest if i cant find a GSX. So if i can find a GS with low milage like 70-90k ill do it again.

Now you can consider this post closed if needed. I did what i came to do and succeeded.Thanks to all at DSMtuiners.com. You guys truely are the best and you should all realize we have our own special talents. Now this couldent have been done with out the posts. We didnt know what to do most of the time because they never did this before but since my research i helped.also im sure im missing some things during my description but for the most part its how it was done.

 

[avw0516]

Hey, awesome thread. I've been trying to convince one of my friends with a 1999 eclipse gs to turbo it for a while, maybe this will change his mind . Anyway great work eldiabloz13 and if you have time could you post some pictures of it. Thanks
-Andrew

 

[out there]

that's really impressive, i wish my saturn hadn't been crashed by my roommate and had been given the chance to live until i'm done with school for the summer so i could turbocharge it
i'd like to see any pictures or a dyno graph if you get one

 

[BigRand]

Hey nice job for anybody working on there car, not just a 16 year old. Its really good to see ya do this right, One of my friends rolled his 1g GSX back in august, you seem to have the smarts to keep the car on the road.