50 trim vs 60-1 !

[talonpower]

I've done alot of homework on these two turbos and realize that the general consensus is that the 50trim is the pump gas king, wheras the 60-1 is less efficient on pump, and is more of a strip turbo ....

Does anyone actually run a 60-1 on pump gas??? It seems as though one or two guys will give two thumbs up to it on pump gas, whearas others will simply say "go with the 50trim" presumably never having tried both .....

I have the opertunity of getting a new 60-1 for a comparable price and will be doing 95% of my driving on pump .... what do you think? is it worth it?

PS I have a HRC S20G-H model ... so im used to lag .....

also, I have 660 injectors ... with the 60-1 should i go bigger?

thanks in advance,

Wes

 

[nanokpsi]

Is there something wrong with the s20g? The reason is that there will be very little difference between these turbos @ 20 psi or so. The only difference really will be at the strip at high pis (25+). If you find the PTE thread it is explained a little better. HTH

 

[FASTSPOOLINGST]

what are you goals?

If you are just a daily street driver, I would get a 50 trim.
Mine kicks ass. I love it. Pulls like a mo' fo'!

A 50 trim w/ 660's will allow to you run around 18-20 psi daily on pump gas. I have 680's and am going to be going to a DSMBC with my ext. tial wg spring at 15psi for my daily driving, I will have the other set at 20psi for racing. If you ever want to go higher then that, you can always dump some race gas in and turn it up even more, but that should be plenty enough with either turbo to spank a majority of cars on the street.

I'm sure u know about your other fuel upgrades so i won't bother.

Get a palm and logger, it's a priceless tool when tuning.

Plus a 50 trim will lay down quite a bit of whp if you have all the other mods. Enough pwr to snap some axles and bust the tranny's

 

[ecr1055]

go with a pte 50 trim for your street pump gas setup. Maybe you can go with bigger like the 57 trim if it's ball bearing. There are huge differences between standard and ball bearing. They are more expensive though.

 

[Wheels-a-turnin]

I have a 60-1

 

[talonpower]

ok ... so will any of the 50 trim turbo's bolt up to my ported and powdercoated 2g manifold?? should I go with an internal or external gate?

what is the CFM for the 50 trim and or the 60-1 ... I believe HRC has the S20G - H rated at 680 cfm's ..........


I guess my bottom line is that I want to do it once, and do it right ... if the 60-1 will put up comparable numbers on the street @ 20 psi to the 50 trim, I'll go with it because of its versitility ..... however, having said this many (perhaps speculators) suggest that the 60-1 isnt as efficient at this level of boost ....

I'm open to your thoughts guys and once again, thank you for your time

 

[FASTSPOOLINGST]

for a 2g manifold, just be sure you get a Mitsu hotside on the turbo when u order it. Don't get a full garret, or hell no it won't bolt up.
PTE's got em, FP, extremepsi, are a couple, but there are a lot of vendors on this site that have what you need. It's a lot of money, so search around and call the order in to be sure you are getting what you want.

Ahh....F@#! It. Get a FP 3052!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[talonpower]

would the FP 3052 be a direct bolt on?

 

[FASTSPOOLINGST]

I was just kidding about the 3052, that is a fn'g monster. Get the 50 trim. If you still are in need of other mods, like your clutch and flywheel, I would do that stuff first and maybe get a big 16 or a evo 16 first, then after you upgrade everything else, then get your bigger turbo, cuz trust me, once u upgrade that turbo and crank up the boost, your clutch, if it's still stock will turn to dust, you will be slipping through every gear and hitting your rev limiter when you are wanting to go forward and you will get beat by that dodge neon you raced at a stop light.

 

[talonpower]

hmmm .. maybe you didnt read my mods list ....

I have already put down 377.7whp and 348 lbs/ft on the Super20g .... but its pretty much maxed out ....... I have all the supporting mods .... and im looking to go bigger

 

[FASTSPOOLINGST]

no, sorry didn't read your mods. Just get what u can get for the best price bro. You seem to have an assload of mods, w/ those cams and intake man, you are pretty much set up for race, I would go big, ever check out the FP Green? Look into that, it may be what you are looking for....oh, btw, i know a guy who is having his rebuilt and he will be selling it after he gets it back from FP, if you are interested let me know, i'll give you his email addy. I would go big with all your mods if I had them. When i get some cams and intake, i'm going to sell my 50 and go bigger, probably the 3052. Check the classifieds, dudes are always selling turbo's in there. I just sold my spare 50 tirm on ebay a week ago, cheap too and brand new.

 

[talonpower]

ya an FP Green or a FP3052 would be awesome ..... let me know on your buddies rebuild .... Im just looking to do the right upgrade the first time and not regret going smaller ... and i have a wicked deal on a 60-1 so i figured it would be a good choice ... man that 3052 looks wicked tho

hmm .. decisions, decisions

 

[IAMCLP1]

I am going to go with the SBR g60-1 but that is because I am fwd and I need th lag for traction issues. Plus like you also said I have heard it is one hell of a 1/4 mile turbo

Being fwd I think that is going to be my best bet.

Corey

 

[BrnOutKing]

Here are my real world HP numbers from My friends Daily Driver DSM's:

1G AWD - PTE standard 56trim - 1G rods/2G pistons
406whp on 92 oct - 22psi
508whp on C16 - 30psi

1G AWD - T3/T4 60trim - eagle/wiseco
416whp on 92 oct - 23psi
526whp on C16 - 35psi

2G AWD - HRC S20G - My car
321whp on 92 oct
363whp on C16 (very little time spent tuning)

1G AWD - PTE 50trim - eagle/Wiseco
no HP numbers how ever I have track MPH for esstimating
-pump 23psi - 116mph ( I trapped 115mphwith 363whp)
-C-16 27psi - 123mph


On a Side note:
I'm going T3 PTE 3561 with S-cover for my daily driver. Should be back on the road in June. There are 3 other guys locally that are going to be running varients of this turbo. 2 of which work at IMO the best shop in our area. ones the owner and the other is the lead tech. They both say they are looking for around 450whp on pump. (but both are using 2.4's)

 

[nanokpsi]

Originally posted by IAMCLP1
I am going to go with the SBR g60-1 but that is because I am fwd and I need th lag for traction issues. Plus like you also said I have heard it is one hell of a 1/4 mile turbo

Being fwd I think that is going to be my best bet.

Corey

Lag isn't much help. It just hesitates more before it spins through the rev limiter. I speak the truth from experience. It's fun to pas Hondas and such peeling out from a 2nd gear roll though.

 

[talonpower]

so I guess ur stuck in the 3XX whp range like I am ...... those are some impressive numbers on the 57 trim and the 60-1 on c16 aswell as pump gas .... my goal is to have 400whp on pump gas, and maybe 450whp or more on the strip .... I don't think it will be that difficult to do, I've built the car up to the point that I think I can support one of these monster turbos, I just have to make a wise decision on which turbo to go with .....

any more thoughts guys??? on a side note, would a Tial 38mm gate do the trick or should I go with a 40mm??

thanks again,

Wes

 

[luv2xclr8]

i'd go with the 60-1. i just took off my 50trim and put on a sc61 on a stock 7bolt. i put down 393whp on the 50trim @23psi with a boost leak and exhaust leak. since i had a exhaust leak on the 50 trim it would get full boost at 5500rpm . with the sc61 i get full boost at 4900 so actually it spools faster . i was too lazy to fix the leak on the 50trim, and i decided that if i took it off i was gonna change the turbo and fmic. i don't think the 50trim and the 20g will have that much of a diff. i know that at my sc61@17psi pulls harder then my 50trim did @20psi.

 

[nanokpsi]

Originally posted by luv2xclr8
i'd go with the 60-1. i just took off my 50trim and put on a sc61 on a stock 7bolt. i put down 393whp on the 50trim @23psi with a boost leak and exhaust leak. since i had a exhaust leak on the 50 trim it would get full boost at 5500rpm . with the sc61 i get full boost at 4900 so actually it spools faster . i was too lazy to fix the leak on the 50trim, and i decided that if i took it off i was gonna change the turbo and fmic. i don't think the 50trim and the 20g will have that much of a diff. i know that at my sc61@17psi pulls harder then my 50trim did @20psi.

Statments like that last part are just retarded. Given the right hot side the 50 trim will be much faster (if it were not for the exhasut leaks) then the 56 trim with 3 less psi (20 to 17). On a better flowing set up than yours they have been shown to flow the same amount of air even at 25 psi (along with a tdo6 20g) At lower psi teh bigger turbo would flow less air and ultimately make less power.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

I have used both. My 50 trim w/ 76 trim hotside spools at 3500-3600, my 60-1 spooled at 4200-4400. Is it worth it? I personally don't think so. The 60-1 will NOT make less power then the 50 trim at any boost level, but its not a big enough difference on pump to deal with the decrease in response. Might be a 20-40 HP difference. On Race gas of course there is a potential difference of 60-80 HP. Thats a real difference.

On my personal car i chose to step down to the 50 trim. I run 11.7x now and daily drive the car, but the main benefit is that I can now road race the car, given the desires, while the 60-1 woulkd have made any kind of racing with turns...not fun...on the 60-1.

For what its worth, on pump gas I ran [email protected] on my 50 trim, but I never ran the 60-1 on pump.

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

luv2xclr8, i remember seeing you down extreme when you were they didnt believe you put down 393 on the 19s and printed out your dyno sheet. you did put down nice numbers on the 50 trim, you made my buddy with the fwd 2g talon jelous as hell.

think you will hit that 10 your looking for in the new turbo?