3/S vs DSM

[cl1ckclack]

3kgt, you should seriously stop now... if you continue, the OP may never show his face on tuners again.

 

[BlackMount]

3kgt, you should seriously stop now... if you continue, the OP may never show his face on tuners again.

Actually he hit the nail on the head. Now that price is dropping the community is growing...many of the owners who had their cars stock for 10-15 years and that r on the forums r going hmmm... i need bigger turbos. Oh how convienent bolt on ready 19Ts, no modification needed. 2000$? Psh cheap.

Vendors r coming out with new parts okn daily basis, and tjings r becoming more affordable, how nice.

 

[3kgt2nv]

not to start crap but since you own an sl you really shouldnt be saying how "cheap" it is to mod a vr4.

if $2000 is so cheap why arent you driving a vr4 instead of a SLow

yeah the turbos are only 2000 but you have to figure most of the owners that have their cars stock are going to need all the other basics prior to putting a upgraded set of turbos and are most likely going to have someone else do the work.

And even thought the prices are coming down its not like people with $$$ are buying them. they are ending up in the hands of younger and younger drivers who are less inclined to mod them correctly much less do the required maintenance.

its like the 17 year old dsm owners that get a pos dsm and stick a big ass turbo on a stock motor and wonder why they break something.

I got so tired of seeing people kill 3/s cars with improper modding when the basic maintenance and groundwork for the mods were done. for example putting a $4000 td05 kit on the car but no wideband and stock injectors. then a week later they post how the kit is a piece of crap and caused their car to die.

 

[1990AWD]

That's exactly how I feel. I have a '94 3KGT VR-4 for a daily driver cause it's comfy, sexy, and a great highway car and keep the DSM for the project/weekend/track car.

 

[omega260]

I still want to know why you posted all this information. Its not like there are threads on here saying how much of a pos the car is.

 

[BlackMount]

not to start crap but since you own an sl you really shouldnt be saying how "cheap" it is to mod a vr4.

if $2000 is so cheap why arent you driving a vr4 instead of a SLow

yeah the turbos are only 2000 but you have to figure most of the owners that have their cars stock are going to need all the other basics prior to putting a upgraded set of turbos and are most likely going to have someone else do the work.

And even thought the prices are coming down its not like people with $$$ are buying them. they are ending up in the hands of younger and younger drivers who are less inclined to mod them correctly much less do the required maintenance.

its like the 17 year old dsm owners that get a pos dsm and stick a big ass turbo on a stock motor and wonder why they break something.

I got so tired of seeing people kill 3/s cars with improper modding when the basic maintenance and groundwork for the mods were done. for example putting a $4000 td05 kit on the car but no wideband and stock injectors. then a week later they post how the kit is a piece of crap and caused their car to die.

I actually know alot of people who bolt on 19Ts and leave everything else stock including boost. It doesnt make a whole lot more power but its something...and i dont knoe anyone that have put on a tdo5 kit and never changed wideband or injectors or have done anything similar.

And my SL is no vr4 but its faster then most BPU DSMs and put down a respectible amount of hp for having no piggy backs or power adders. I am also upgrading to a VR4. Its pretty, i will freshing up the motor, new main and rod bearings, new Head gaskets, Valve Stem Seals, and Timing belt, also plan to rebuild the rear turbo, it has light in and out. Plan to run it mostly stock with FMIC. Itll be my daily for awhile.

^^ i staryed thinking about this and i think i never see that because i rarely go on 3si, i go on 3sgto 99% of the time.

 

[laserspeeddemon]

Like people who put on a 20g with no supporting mods....does not compute.

 

[BlackMount]

Single 20G on sohc 3/s = epic

 

[laserspeeddemon]

I was talking about people (whom I've known) who just slap on 2g on their DSM and wonders why they are still running the same time.

 

[Boostit]

Interesting read so far.. still, no hostility towards DSM's. I made the change because I've been doing DSM's since 1999. I don't expect to be the fastest thing on wheels, but I will have some fun with the car. I enjoy having a car that people ask "Wtf kind of car is that?" I'm constantly complimented on the vehicle and it is a little more of a fresh car. Easier to be different.. speed isn't everything but I plan on building the car to knock on low 11's and then I'm going straight Highway build. Lots of Vettes, Supras, GTRs and etc out here that would be fun to roll with.

As for your VR4.. If you're staying mostly stock.. why put an FMIC on. It wont improve your cooling or flow if you are mostly stock, it will actually decrease unless you do alot more than just bolt on an FMIC. Our side mounts are actually pretty good until about 450ish.

 

[cl1ckclack]

I actually know alot of people who bolt on 19Ts and leave everything else stock including boost. It doesnt make a whole lot more power but its something...and i dont knoe anyone that have put on a tdo5 kit and never changed wideband or injectors or have done anything similar.

And my SL is no vr4 but its faster then most BPU DSMs and put down a respectible amount of hp for having no piggy backs or power adders. I am also upgrading to a VR4. Its pretty, i will freshing up the motor, new main and rod bearings, new Head gaskets, Valve Stem Seals, and Timing belt, also plan to rebuild the rear turbo, it has light in and out. Plan to run it mostly stock with FMIC. Itll be my daily for awhile.

^^ i staryed thinking about this and i think i never see that because i rarely go on 3si, i go on 3sgto 99% of the time.

no its not.

 

[BlackMount]

no its not.

Lol yes it is. Ive put several in their place, friends on here who can back this up. I actually ran my friends 16G talon last night he was on stock boost.

Ran another that had a 16G also stock boost, chip (key diver i think), and exhaust and we were pretty even.

A 2G with fmic, exhaust dunno what boost.

And a few stock ones.

It is definetly faster then my 14B laser was on 15 psi with exhaust and intake.

I dynod 187whp last dyno day. Added a few things and I am hoping for 200whp next dyno day this July.

Interesting read so far.. still, no hostility towards DSM's. I made the change because I've been doing DSM's since 1999. I don't expect to be the fastest thing on wheels, but I will have some fun with the car. I enjoy having a car that people ask "Wtf kind of car is that?" I'm constantly complimented on the vehicle and it is a little more of a fresh car. Easier to be different.. speed isn't everything but I plan on building the car to knock on low 11's and then I'm going straight Highway build. Lots of Vettes, Supras, GTRs and etc out here that would be fun to roll with.

As for your VR4.. If you're staying mostly stock.. why put an FMIC on. It wont improve your cooling or flow if you are mostly stock, it will actually decrease unless you do alot more than just bolt on an FMIC. Our side mounts are actually pretty good until about 450ish.

Because i want to. Theres no reason not too.

And i have no problems against DSMs, I am still deep in the community here in TN, have many DSM friends, and miss mine often, the 3000GT just has always been my dream car.

Eventually my goal is to take down these kids i keep seeing at meets in GTRs... it wont be with 9bs tho. Ive got something planned tehe.

 

[cl1ckclack]

Smh...

 

[97mitzugst]

I like anything Mitsubishi. I didn't know there was a rivalry within the brand. I can appreciate any car as long as its not another stupid Honda!

 

[BlackMount]

Thank u. Like i said befor the 3000GT is on a completely different level then DSMs, whole nother catagory of car. Non comparable.

 

[cl1ckclack]

Thank u. Like i said befor the 3000GT is on a completely different level then DSMs, whole nother catagory of car. Non comparable.

much slower, and heavier.

 

[CLeMMeR]

it wont be with 9bs tho. Ive got something planned tehe.

Dr750's ?

 

[Boostit]

I run DR650's.. gonna need something more than 750's to take on a GTR unless it's completely stock to lightly modded. They have much more aggressive gearing and can make over 600 on stock turbos.

 

[BlackMount]

much slower, and heavier.

So slow and heavy it does 12.8 in the 1/4 with out even a boost controller.

Dr750's ?

Heh, nope.

I run DR650's.. gonna need something more than 750's to take on a GTR unless it's completely stock to lightly modded. They have much more aggressive gearing and can make over 600 on stock turbos.

Dont worry i got something. most GTRs r stock here, so Im not worried what they CAN make. Pretty sad when a GTR gets a jump on u from a 40 Roll and we still catch up like its nothing.. ive seen what it takes to destroy one. Not worried.

 

[omega260]

No offense but you kind of sounds like a tool bragging about your gutted n/a v6, and talking about street racing while also bench racing.

 

[AK Maniak]

Actually he hit the nail on the head. Now that price is dropping the community is growing...many of the owners who had their cars stock for 10-15 years and that r on the forums r going hmmm... i need bigger turbos. Oh how convienent bolt on ready 19Ts, no modification needed. 2000$? Psh cheap.

Vendors r coming out with new parts okn daily basis, and tjings r becoming more affordable, how nice.

Sounds to me like the only nail he hit on the head was that DSM's>3k/s

I love the look of 3ks and would like to own one eventually but... DSM's make more power and go faster for much less.
4g63. What else needs to be said.

 

[3kgt2nv]

12.8 without a boost controller??? Get ####ing real dude. Stock the cars run between a 14.2 down to a 13.9.

How the hell do you get that without a boost controller they run a 12.8 or is that where your phantom easy 1000 pounds of weight loss come from. 12 second runs are usually with something like 15g's or their equivalent on like 16-18psi.

As far as your car being faster than a 16g dsm. I once again say bullshit as the gearing in the 3s is much longer so the dsm would rip past you and keep pulling. At 187whp on your car even a stock dsm would kill you off the line and you would have to reel them in.

I would seriously stop posting in this thread with such garbage info especially since i know plenty about both cars.

And to kill a gtr you better plan on a dr1200 or 1300 kit. The gtr awd system is so advanced compared to the 3s your going to lose off the line no matter what and your only hope is to take them in the last half of the track. Which will be hard since the awd system will shift to almost totally rwd at that point for less drive train loss.

Plus where do you live that there are "all these kids with gtr's" wish when i was a kid i could buy a 90k car.

Plese stop posting crap just to get a response. And post a time slip of this dsm killing fwd 3s. My guess is you have never taken it to a track so have no idea of what it can do. Or the dsm's you raced are exactly what i was talking about where someone just slaps a turbo on their car and thinks that makes it fast.

Sorry if any spelling mistakes. This thread is so full of crap i had to sit on tbe toilet to type this on my phone

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

Plese stop posting crap just to get a response. And post a time slip of this dsm killing fwd 3s. My guess is you have never taken it to a track so have no idea of what it can do. Or the dsm's you raced are exactly what i was talking about where someone just slaps a turbo on their car and thinks that makes it fast.

Exactly! This street racing/bench racing, 16g friends cars on stock boost, and pipe dreams of beating GTR crap is getting a bit out of hand. I mean, why even upgrade to a 16g, if you are only going to run stock boost? Doesn't make much sense... WTF

Do yourself a favor... Quit street racing and take it to the track, get a timeslip, and then you can know how your car stacks up to others. It really is that simple.

Good luck with the car and hopefully it doesn't give you any problems.

 

[BlackMount]

We have no 1/4 tracks locally... which is fine i dont really carefor them 1/4 anyways, and id love some road course action but the speedway closed down (except to nascar or kia) and no one has 170 million $$ to buy it. So its either Street or when there is AutoX go to it. I dont have a truck and a trailer, so im not about to drive it 2-4 hours race it nom stop for 6 hours then drive it home.

And do some searching, u will see the 1/4 times i claim true.. i actually found a stock n/a fwd time of 14.3 last night when i was looking for something else.

Most of the fast awd 1/4 times (stock are mid 13s and a few high 12s) car and driver magazines amd related dont count because they dont push the car.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Lol yes it is. Ive put several in their place, friends on here who can back this up. I actually ran my friends 16G talon last night he was on stock boost.

Ran another that had a 16G also stock boost, chip (key diver i think), and exhaust and we were pretty even.

A 2G with fmic, exhaust dunno what boost.

And a few stock ones.

It is definetly faster then my 14B laser was on 15 psi with exhaust and intake.

I dynod 187whp last dyno day. Added a few things and I am hoping for 200whp next dyno day this July.



Because i want to. Theres no reason not too.

And i have no problems against DSMs, I am still deep in the community here in TN, have many DSM friends, and miss mine often, the 3000GT just has always been my dream car.

Eventually my goal is to take down these kids i keep seeing at meets in GTRs... it wont be with 9bs tho. Ive got something planned tehe.

your insane if you think your "187whp" 4000lb(without you in it) car would beat a stock dsm which weighs about 1000lbs less and if fwd 2g turbo has pretty much the same whp. if awd then still close to the same whp but only 6-800lbs less. same hp and 6-1000lbs less and you say your faster? get real. Even gutted you don't have a chance. 12.8 1/4 on 187 whp? stock Hyundai Genesis with 275hp (about 250 whp) professionally driven does 14.2 1/4. if you think your car at 187whp is faster than that then your stupid and ignorant.

p.s. I've never heard of this war and ive been following dsm community for three years now. I like 3000Gt and stealth but dsm>both.