2G Blown Turbo - budget 16G Photos (and probably lots of questions) inside

[pu12en12g]

Me: Helping with the install
Car: 97GST Spyder - Stock
Meineke: Says blown turbo (and throwing 4 codes)
Smoke: White / when accelerating
Sound: Rattling / Like the turbo is in pieces
Boost: Yes, but it all started with a "loss of power"
Budget: Under $1000

Parts on the way:
TD05 Big 16G + Install Kit + Intercooler:

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[ApexVIII]

Not really sure ? Learning as I go to say the least... can I short route this one ?

Advantages ?

no its how the end tanks are, faster spool up.

use BBQ paint, there is like flat black and silver, it wont come off really high temps

 

[BoostedinSoFla]

I was going to keep my mouth shut regarding this thread, but it seems I can't. I don't think "upgrading" to a larger turbo is the right idea here. Just because Tiny Tim took a shit on you doesn't necessarily give you the automatic right to just slap on a larger turbo. Even if you decide to run "safe" boost levels, I still don't agree with this decision.

It has been said before that people who haven't touched their engine management system or injectors but decide to throw on a larger turbo (eventually) complain about problems after (usually due to the install). People love to do shit backwards.

My own T25 blew over a year ago, and I have a lot of Evo shit lying around. I sucked it up and got another T25. But I don't dare think of buying a 16G "just because". I don't dare think about upgrading the turbo without knowing the injectors and DSM Link must come first. That's how I've been brought up, and I know it's right.

And no, I don't think the phrase "To each his own" applies here.

pu12en12g - Please fill out your profile completely.

Anthony, I'm really trying to understand your post here. Thousands of people have ran their 16g's at "safe" boost levels without touching their stock fuel systems so because you chose to replace the T-25 hairdryer with another, then he should do the same? I also might add though that in this case I wouldn't recommend it because it seems like the knowledge isn't there.

 

[pu12en12g]

Painting those heat shields were a bad idea... they will turn brown after a couple of heat cycles. That is why people don't paint them.

Interesting thoughts... time will tell

 

[pu12en12g]

use BBQ paint, there is like flat black and silver, it wont come off really high temps

I have 500 (?) and 1200 degree black and clear coat. We'll see how it holds up.

 

[blackbetty]

I am going to side with Anthony on this one.
I think this blown t-25 should be replaced with another t-25.(one in the classifieds for $50)

Save the 16g and fmic combo until more money can be gathered to properly upgrade your car with decent fuel and engine management mods to support the turbo, and have a reliable setup, without having to run wimpy "safe" boost levels.

There is obviously more knowledge to acquire before the mod bug can bite.

 

[Gee-Es-Tee]

I was going to keep my mouth shut regarding this thread, but it seems I can't. I don't think "upgrading" to a larger turbo is the right idea here. Just because Tiny Tim took a shit on you doesn't necessarily give you the automatic right to just slap on a larger turbo. Even if you decide to run "safe" boost levels, I still don't agree with this decision.

It has been said before that people who haven't touched their engine management system or injectors but decide to throw on a larger turbo (eventually) complain about problems after (usually due to the install). People love to do shit backwards.

My own T25 blew over a year ago, and I have a lot of Evo shit lying around. I sucked it up and got another T25. But I don't dare think of buying a 16G "just because". I don't dare think about upgrading the turbo without knowing the injectors and DSM Link must come first. That's how I've been brought up, and I know it's right.

And no, I don't think the phrase "To each his own" applies here.

pu12en12g - Please fill out your profile completely.

What? His decision to go with a 16g turbo is a fine dandy idea and will work just fine with his stock injectors and management system. Unless he slaps a boost controller on there, then... well, yeah, I could see your post making sense.

 

[pu12en12g]

I think this blown t-25 should be replaced with another t-25.(one in the classifieds for $50)

If it's brand new, link me to it. Otherwise, the 16G will be installed when it arrives.

 

[ApexVIII]

i have a ported 16g on mine with FMIC, stock injectors and stock boost, it feels alot better!!!

do NOT go with a T25/.... well if you do i have my stocker for sale

 

[pu12en12g]

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^^^^

If anyone has photos of this one installed, it would be VERY helpful. Otherwise, things are going well, parts finally arrived =

 

[Twistaye]

Looking good, don't listen to anyone, as long as you have a MBC, monitor your A/F's and everything is in the clear then you don't have anything to worry about however I would limit the boost to about 10 psi. If you don't have a wideband I'd highly recommend it, very very helpful, and ontop of that a logger would save you some trouble too, always good to know what's going on with your engine. Good luck hope everything works out for you!

 

[demografik]

do NOT install an MBC. DO install a boost gauge before the engine sees 1psi of boost. you WILL have to adjust the wastegate arm or you will see boost levels that will destroy your engine. the intercooler piping you've got will require a lot of modification. there's no blow off valve flange and it's just generic straight and bent pipes. be prepared to do some routing, cutting, and welding. you'll also need to acquire a flange for whatever blow off valve you're using. you won't be able to re-use the stock plastic one.

since you're a domestic guy, i'd liken what you're doing to installing and tuning a (the cheapest and ghetto-est) nitrous setup on a stock v8. be very careful or you will break something expensive.

 

[pu12en12g]

do NOT install an MBC. DO install a boost gauge before the engine sees 1psi of boost. you WILL have to adjust the wastegate arm or you will see boost levels that will destroy your engine.

I think I have one bookmarked, but do you have a link to the best writeup you've seen for this ?

 

[pu12en12g]

Day 9:

While waiting for the parts to arrive, did some small appearance stuff, but finally the parts got here. Obviously I can eventually figure this out, but how close is this (height) to where it should be ?

(foglights are pictured for [easy ?] height reference... they have now been removed)

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[98eclipsekidd08]

take that side mount off now haha

 

[pu12en12g]

take that side mount off now haha

it's off... and stock turbo is out finally (so far so good)

 

[ApexVIII]

more pictures??

 

[pu12en12g]

Piping is 3" not sure how much of a problem that will be

 

[DSMsOwnYourV8]

do NOT install an MBC. DO install a boost gauge before the engine sees 1psi of boost. you WILL have to adjust the wastegate arm or you will see boost levels that will destroy your engine. the intercooler piping you've got will require a lot of modification. there's no blow off valve flange and it's just generic straight and bent pipes. be prepared to do some routing, cutting, and welding. you'll also need to acquire a flange for whatever blow off valve you're using. you won't be able to re-use the stock plastic one.

since you're a domestic guy, i'd liken what you're doing to installing and tuning a (the cheapest and ghetto-est) nitrous setup on a stock v8. be very careful or you will break something expensive.

There is nothing wrong with installing a MBC if he plans on turning the boost down a lil bit. In fact, the 16g pushes a lot more air than the stock t-25, so a MBC would probably be a good plan as long as he is running on the stock fuel system. I would turn the boost down to 10psi.

 

[m_0ney_pit]

you don't need an mbc to get 10 psi. Just hook the wastegate actuator (7psi spring) to the boost source and it should be right around 9-10 psi on your boost guage. If you want to push the fuel system and go for 10-14 psi then get a mbc and adjust it.

 

[DSMsOwnYourV8]

Yes you don't need one but to say DO NOT get one is retarded. If he gets one, turns up the boost on a stock fuel system, and in result blows his motor, then it's his own fault.

 

[pu12en12g]

Day 10:

Plan was to take care of some rust spots, but instead ended up taking a blind stab at the pipe routing before it rained. Not sure how far off we are here... I'm guessing we want to go back around on the right side instead, but would appreciate all ideas. Unfortunately half asleep while doing this which is why the new turbo didn't go on yet.

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[dsmmike50t]

Its looking good buddy. Go ahead and install the 16g but atleast get something to monitor knock.

 

[whiteflash]

^^^^

If anyone has photos of this one installed, it would be VERY helpful. Otherwise, things are going well, parts finally arrived =

check out my profile picture...

 

[ilikespeeding]

Day 10:

Plan was to take care of some rust spots, but instead ended up taking a blind stab at the pipe routing before it rained. Not sure how far off we are here... I'm guessing we want to go back around on the right side instead, but would appreciate all ideas. Unfortunately half asleep while doing this which is why the new turbo didn't go on yet.

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You aint getting that bumper back on like that. You need damn near a bend right off the intercooler to clear the bumper cover. My advice is to 45 degree it twice.

Also, ditch the long route pipe and dump the intercooler piping behind the radiator with that S bend after you weld the beaded parts up there and the buy a slowboy J pipe.

 

[toojung2die]

Plan was to take care of some rust spots, but instead ended up taking a blind stab at the pipe routing before it rained. Not sure how far off we are here... I'm guessing we want to go back around on the right side instead, but would appreciate all ideas. Unfortunately half asleep while doing this which is why the new turbo didn't go on yet.
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I have to say you are ambitious. You've picked out a couple of major mods to install all at once without previous experience. My preference is a more conservative upgrade path. Install, test it and if it works go for the next mod but you're already way too deep to turn back.

Your 16G in a 2G install is covered in minute detail in these forums and done countless times. Everything you need to know has been covered in detail so get used to searching the tech articles and read up.

The FMIC install is going to involve a lot of fitting and testing. The layout you have in your photo will prove to be too big to fit into the bumper. Cut and fit the pipes to lay as close to the radiator frame on both sides as you can get them. My first IC pipe layout was similar to yours and I had to reroute it because of front bumper/fascia interference. It's easier to cut off pipe than to put it back so go slow.

You took off the front bumper the hard way. The bumper mounts that are still in the frame come out by removing two bolts per side on the bottom. You will be test fitting the front bumper and fascia many times while installing the FMIC so bolt these mounts back up to the bumper instead of leaving them inside the frame.

How to: 2G Bumper Removal 98 Eclipse RS

You can easily use the 16G without worrying about fuel modifications if you keep the boost near stock. I installed my Big28 turbo and boost controller long before I had DSMLink. I got a pocketlogger to make sure I wasn't over taxing the stock fuel injectors and I was fine. Don't even think of increasing boost if you still have the stock 2G BOV. It won't hold boost over stock anyway. It will leak so much boost that even though the boost gauge may read ~14psi the turbo may be pushing over 20 psi and dumping it back into the intake. Good way to burn up a new turbo. Upgrade your fuel management later after you get all this working now.

Pay careful attention to eliminating boost leaks during this project.
http://www.vfaq.com/mods/ICtester.html