2800 but how do i prove that hes done all that work

[Boostlvr96]

Everybody in here seems little bit more nice then that kcsr.org site

I am trying to buy this 91 tsi w engine work like bore .030 over, forged pistons and rods.
titanium vavles springs and retainers. bigger turbo. fmic

He doesnt have the receipts for all that work sence he moved. i think its a perty good deal because hes getting rid of it because he has another baby on the way!
its 2800 but how do i prove that hes done all that work

its untuned so can i still drive it? and should i ?

somebody get back to me ###
thanks
-adam

 

[Tyeler18]

well if you pull off the head of the block you should be able to tell that its been honed out/bored otherwise its kinda hard to tell

it should be fine to drive untuned, but it depends on what hes got on it, if its running to rich or too lean untuned you could either lean out or reach detonation

check the car out, maybe take some pics and post them up here before you decide

 

[thewombis]

I would just start by pulling the valve cover. Then you can at least see if there are springs and retainers. If those are installed, chances are hes telling the truth. If you really concerned write up a contract and have both parties sign it. I can see his reason for not wanting to rip the head off to show you, just so you could walk away and not buy it. But i also see your concern to not getting what you were told.

Rather than pulling the head, you could also pull the oil pan to check the rods. Not sure which would be easier.

You may also be able to have him contact the places he got the work done and have them send a copy of the receipts. Pretty sure companies keep records for a long time.

Good luck.

 

[Tyeler18]

agreed on the valve cover, thats more what i was meaning, just came out as head

 

[xioca]

Change the Headgasket and T-belt, (excuse to rip the head off and have a peak)

 

[talon187]

As far as driving it all dpends. Heres somthings you need to know first. Stock injectors or bigger? Whats he have for a tunning device. Is there a wideband? If you drive it i would drive it very easy and not get on it since its not tuned.

 

[Boostlvr96]

see thanks guys. and girls if some of you would happen too be.

with the contract on having the internals there what should i state in it? and if they arnt in the engine he would have to reimburse me for them?
and tearing off the valve cover ### am i looking for? springs?

 

[B005T3D_1]

as far as the contract, write everything that he told you it had, out on that piece of paper, as well as something like "if it is proven that these previously listed parts were not installed, as stated verbally by(his name), then (your name) reserves the right to return the (car year,make model, vin) to (his name) in exchange for a full refund of the purchase price. get a witness to sign it as well that should cover it as far as the stuff he said was on it. also i would write up another contract, or put it on the same one, stating the exact purchase price you paid. if he shys away from signing the contract, then youve got him right there, you know hes full of it.

 

[MrBoxx]

Please use spell check, grammar, and punctuation in your posts. Thank you.

 

[95GSXCO]

You buying it for the motor or the car?

 

[josh2ndgen]

see thanks guys. and girls if some of you would happen too be.

with the contract on having the internals there what should i state in it? and if they arnt in the engine he would have to reimburse me for them?
and tearing off the valve cover ### am i looking for? springs?

Yeah there is 4 springs per valve. If it has titanium ones then they should have a clean look and almost blue in color.

 

[Wicked_Sick]

Its kind of hard to prove that he didnt put the parts in after youve had the car a while. You could have swapped them out for stock to get him to reimburse you for performance parts so you could resell them.

I agree with xioca. You pay for the new hg and timing belt and see whats in it. If its not as advertised then return your hg and tbelt. Hell probably man up if he knows youre going to look and know the stuff wasnt done.

 

[the_mork]

I would never let someone pull a head off of a car I was trying to sell or sign a contract about engine internals so just because he shies away from either wouldn't mean anything.

 

[xioca]

I actually meant buy the car with his verbal statement, then later that day do the tear down and if it's not as stated try and get money through small claims for the discrepancies.

 

[dsm-onster]

You can pull the plugs and look in with a flash light. If you D63 or D63T, then the pistons are stock. Forged pistons often have a different shape dish. So if you are sure on what the dish shape of stock dsm pistons looks like then you can check to see a difference if you look hard enough in the cylinder. Turbo, fmic, and valvetrain parts are obvious.

Personally, I wouldn't lose receipts to expensive parts put in my car, move or not. That's easily $3500 in parts and machine work.

 

[thewombis]

You can pull the plugs and look in with a flash light. If you D63 or D63T, then the pistons are stock.

Good call, also stock pistons will have a rougher surface than the smoother forged and machined surfaces. may still be a little hard to tell if there is a lot of carbon build up.

Every purchase I make for the car, whether its a set of pistons or a new alternator belt, I keep the receipt in a fireproof box.

 

[spyderturbo007]

This would work, if you could get your hands on one.

 

[B005T3D_1]

I would never let someone pull a head off of a car I was trying to sell or sign a contract about engine internals so just because he shies away from either wouldn't mean anything.

maybe not, i would never let someone pull a head off of my car i was selling either, but i would probably keep the reciepts so that if there was a question i could produce them. it seems strange that a person wouldnt keep the reciepts for warrenty purposes and cant produce them. contracts are made to protect you from getting anal raped. i have used them whenever i bought a car and the other person never had a problem signing it. including the ones that said they had work done but couldnt find the reciepts. if you dont like tha idea.... to each his/her own, but i wouldnt buy any car without one.

there are too many "what ifs" in this thread and its hard to tell what the thing acually has in it without tearing it down. also, the guy isnt going to let you tear the thing down with the risk of you not buying it. it could be a scam, but what if hes telling the truth and i miss out on a great deal, but this that and the other. bottom line if it cant be proven whats in the thing, and the guy isnt going to work it out so it cant be proven, dont buy it. there are plenty of deals on cars with people that can prove what they have in it.

 

[eeeewidner]

This would work, if you could get your hands on one.

Thats a great price for that boroscope. I paid 400 for the new snap on digital camera with a 5ft cable. They are the handiest tools in the world. With that you can tell if the bottom end is straight without pulling the pan and like stated above. Just put one of those in the cylinders and you can even look for wear at the head gasket, look at the valves and check out if the cylinder has been properly honed also.. It is truly a must for anyone that plans on building engines..... And diagnostics...

I found a head gasket leak on my car far before any signs where shown with that tool....

 

[delta448]

Here's how I'd approach this>
I'd look the car over closely, making note of the condition of the chassis, any bends or kinks in the frame, rust on the strut towers, tread on the tires, possible oil leaking from the shocks and condition of the pads/rotors. Then I'd consider the appearance of the upgraded turbo, pull the intake and check shaft play and blade integrity.

After that I'd ask myself "If the car was basically stock and only the mods I can visibly see were present, would I still be willing to pay his price?", if I could answer yes I'd buy the car. If not, leave.

Don't show up to look at the car with a toolbox in hand and the expectation that the owner is going to be okay with someone they don't know or trust removing major parts from their car just to check to see if they're honest. If you showed up and started pulling the valve cover off my car without any better reason than that, I'd pop the hood and pull the valve cover on your car ...right after permanently locating a size 12 in Uranus.

 

[jrohner]

Yeah, you should be able to tell the pistons by looking in through the spark plug hole. Also, ask him what compression the pistons are; if they are much different than stock, you can tell by doing a compression test. Either way it's a good idea to do a compression test anyways.

 

[brian9397gsx]

correct me if im wrong but aftermarket springs do look different than stocks how about taking the oil cap off and looking at the springs under the cap. also removing a plug and using a strong flash light to look down the bore at the piston as ds-monster reccomends is a good idea if the motor is fresh im guessing it hasnt been driven all that much the pistons should be relatively clean to get a good idea. as far as the rods i doubt he will let you pull the pan just look at it this way if hes got the pistons if hes got the springs and retainers theres a good chance the rods are there. if not 2800 is a good deal on a stock turbo talon if this has extras such as you claim winner winner if it does not but runs its reasonable if its straight

 

[dsm-onster]

My manley springs look very close to stock. But it is alittle thicker gage and a diferent number of coils. I have to have a stock spring beside one to tell the difference.

 

[kraka]

Has he posted any engine bay pics that you can post in this thread? It will give a pretty basic idea of the car, just because it has a built motor doesn't mean it was built right.