20g?

[GORBS88]

i call b/s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no way your ran a 13.1 with those mods. :thumbdown

Ohh yah thats right..you got me there.....then why are guys runnin 11's with that turbo......its all in the launch and the drivin buddy...most people cant drive anyway,...i got into 3 different friends cars and shaved off 3 tenths from there own times.....there own cars that they drive every day.....man...learn to drive you guys....

 

[GORBS88]

i call b/s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no way your ran a 13.1 with those mods. :thumbdown

I mean just cause you cant run that time... :laugh: doesnt mean that i cant,...

 

[herostar]

I tune with a wideband A/F meter, the translator and the "Scanmaster 3" from fullthrottlespeed.
What am I missing?
I need tips. Thanks! mark

Mark,
You need something for a finer tune. The translator is more or less a global tuning device. You need something like an SAFC to tune in finer increments at more specific RPM points.



In regards to the 13.1 on the 14b... A friend here is running a 16g in his full weight 2g tsi awd with just a k&n, UIP, fuel pump, injectors, and safc (STOCK EXHAUST!) and ran a 13.2 at a 5200 ft elevation. This was at about 20psi poorly tuned.

 

[trusty]

....he probaly sucks...

a close friend of mine...w/ 92 awd tsi...
3" cat-back and straight pipe, intake mod w/ k&n,wires and plugs, 15lbs of boost...
ran a 14.1

i could see a 13.1 with those mods

 

[-red97rum-]

I only ran my car once at the track before I lost the motor. But I ran a 14.3 @ 92... I missed 4th gear badly. The 60 ft. on that run was a 1.73 I was doing 87 mph in the 8th. Totally my fault I hit right in between 2nd and 4th The point I'm trying to make is that I *could* have run a mid-high 13 if I hadn't screwed up :laugh: Never got a chance to run it again but I'll tell one thing, that was the last time I missed 4th. Anyway, that was with the following mods:


-$150 2.5" local muffler shop catback/magnaflow muffler
-Stock 02 housing, downpipe, cat, and slightly cracked 1g exhaust manifold
-Home made mandrel bent 2.5" UIP & TB elbow
-A tired ass 14b
-HKS intake
-Greddy Type-s <==no better than a stock 1g at 17 pounds of boost
-Rewired stock fuel pump
-Spare tire and tools removed and about a 1/4 tank of gas
-CFDF clutch <== came with the car :thumbdown
-MBC @ 17psi on shitty California 91 pump.

-Dustin

 

[coltboostin]

I run 12.0@120 with a small 16g, and babying it out of the hole.

PTT FMIC
3 inch exaust
660cc, 2g MAF
AFC
Stocker everythign else.

I will go 11's with the small 16g if I fell like launching it.

Its all about tuning.

 

[herostar]

^^^^^^ that's on that tiny colt though isn't it?^^^^^^^

 

[4g63awdtalon]

look at the time and trap speed....my friend has a galant which is heavier...and he has big16g, small fmic, full 2.5 inch piping...and act 2100 with walbro 190 running 12.2 at 116 no afc, no upgraded injectors, but a chipped eprom ecu..

 

[redturboed95]

the only reason i wanted a 20g or a 50 trim is i wanted something that would spool up somewhat slow ...since i only have a gst not a gsx and dn't want to swich to slicks everytime i want to have fun.and i figured that when the turbo did hit i would have enough power to make up for the crapy launch.also i hadn't heard anything about the top end power of a 14b or 16g i would like to have something that can hold its own on the higway as well because i spend a lot of time up there.

i know you can get great times with a 16g its just from what i have seen( and please correct me if im wrong) people getting the low ET'S are almost alwase awd.

 

[GORBS88]

look at the time and trap speed....my friend has a galant which is heavier...and he has big16g, small fmic, full 2.5 inch piping...and act 2100 with walbro 190 running 12.2 at 116 no afc, no upgraded injectors, but a chipped eprom ecu..

Gee my point exactly a fast car with a med turbo....ohh so where is (cfisher) now??? :thumbdown you got proved wrong :laugh: and now you leave....all these guys are killin my times and you said my time was BS :thumbdown .....HAHA... cfisher must not know much about cars,

 

[cfisher]

i have many friends with 1g and they all run high 12's but they have also upgraded there turbo, injectors, intercooler, ect.. you have about $300 in mods there. you've got 3" exhaust and a ported o2 and a MBC up to 17psi. i still say you are full of shit. where's your 13.1 timeslip? also, i know plenty about my car and yours. i would dust your 13.1 ass so stop with your BS. all the replies that you just had were all modified cars. 16g, 660cc inj, ect.. you have nothing.

 

[4g63awdtalon]

i know of a couple of dsm's that will beat you...so do you want to race them too???? this guy is just simply looking for a answer and you come in here calling bs. whys that? look at arctictsi i believe his is in what the 11's now on a 14b...you need to respect fellow dsmer's because he is impressed with his 13.1. i read this board alot, and have noticed you have had alot of tuning problems...have you hit a 13.1 yet, no, maybe you should have went with a 14b too, not a frank 2.

 

[GORBS88]

i know of a couple of dsm's that will beat you...so do you want to race them too???? this guy is just simply looking for a answer and you come in here calling bs. whys that? look at arctictsi i believe his is in what the 11's now on a 14b...you need to respect fellow dsmer's because he is impressed with his 13.1. i read this board alot, and have noticed you have had alot of tuning problems...have you hit a 13.1 yet, no, maybe you should have went with a 14b too, not a frank 2.

See, now thats what i am talkin about....HAHA, well mabe (cfisher) should come to me and i can help his big a$$ turbo net him some 12 sec times....You make fun of me and now the truth comes out....Cant tune your ride.....HA....Well thanx (4g63awdtalon) for shedding some light on this.... the kid wants to know what guys are runnin and i say, i'm impressed with my 13.1 and now he is a hater....ohh well some guys just dont get it....hehe

 

[GORBS88]

This is a direct quote from (cfisher) the one that says he wants to RACE and smoke me..

i still cannot figure out what i've done wrong. i've got a frank 2, 680cc inj, walbro 255 fp, 3" turbo back, safc, logger, 38mm tial wg, ect.. i'm pushing 17psi and went to the track the other day. my best run was a 14.1 @ 98mph. logger states i'm getting 19 deg timing at 7K and .98 on my o2's. my friend has a 20G with the same setup and is running a 12.4 @ 110. only diff is he has DSMLINK (studderbox). he says he forced timing with link and is getting 26 deg timing at 7K. i cannot even get off the line anymore from the lag even if i hit the rev limiter at launch. i've tried to brake boost, two step, i'm lost. any suggestions since you guys are hauling major ass.


HAHAHA, and you have the nerve to tell me you can smoke me.....you are a full second behind......man you like to talk out your a$$.....I cant believe you try to cut me down sayin big turbos are the $h!t and you know these cars in and out.....HAHA thats funny, i ran your time when i was stock....that must suck!!!! :laugh: Dont make fun of me when you cant drive of tune your car...i have an extra 14b out back you can have...mabe you will hit the 13's.....tee hee

 

[-red97rum-]

This is a direct quote from (cfisher) the one that says he wants to RACE and smoke me..

i still cannot figure out what i've done wrong. i've got a frank 2, 680cc inj, walbro 255 fp, 3" turbo back, safc, logger, 38mm tial wg, ect.. i'm pushing 17psi and went to the track the other day. my best run was a 14.1 @ 98mph. logger states i'm getting 19 deg timing at 7K and .98 on my o2's. my friend has a 20G with the same setup and is running a 12.4 @ 110. only diff is he has DSMLINK (studderbox). he says he forced timing with link and is getting 26 deg timing at 7K. i cannot even get off the line anymore from the lag even if i hit the rev limiter at launch. i've tried to brake boost, two step, i'm lost. any suggestions since you guys are hauling major ass.


HAHAHA, and you have the nerve to tell me you can smoke me.....you are a full second behind......man you like to talk out your a$$.....I cant believe you try to cut me down sayin big turbos are the $h!t and you know these cars in and out.....HAHA thats funny, i ran your time when i was stock....that must suck!!!! :laugh: Dont make fun of me when you cant drive of tune your car...i have an extra 14b out back you can have...mabe you will hit the 13's.....tee hee

-Off topic- I'll take the 14b off your hands for you I need a turbo to break in the new motor before I throw a 50trim/20g on it (still undecided).

-Dustin

 

[BigBADGSX]

ya know guys... maybe everyone and their mother doesnt want to build $500 dollar dsms that you have to drive the living shit out of to go 12's. Which i dont see one problem in doing that cause i myself love to get the most out of what i have, which i havent yet .

Back on the subject.

the 20g is an awsome turbo it helped the first dsm into the 10's, and the br20g which a friend of mine has is one hell of a turbo. Just make sure you can support/tune and your goals will happen.

 

[Tort9320g]

Anyone who says the 20g is a waste and just get a 50 trim, let me ask you this: how many low 11 sec. 50 trims do you see on the dsm times page? how many 20g's? I've gone 11.05 @ 123 on my 20g, faster than anyone I know with a 50 trim. Not to mention the fact that I've got less supporting mods than most people. Internal gate, stock 7 bolt, 264/272s, 550s, stock trans. It's all about tuning and driving. I've resisted the urge to go bigger plenty of times, and instead chosen the path of learning my car. As a result, I've been rewarded with times that I'd have thought weren't possible with this setup 2 years ago. The bottom line: stick with what you've got until it's maximized. You'll be alot more satisfied in the long run.

 

[92GSXBaltimore]

20g is so looked over these days. they are tried and proven. newer technology is out there, but you dont hear about new (unmodded) 20g's taking dumps after like 1500 miles. price is gonna be better on a 50, but its all about whats you cup of tea.

p.s. a 20g is a 20g, you dont have to worry about the manufaturing process or what new company is trying there hand at turbo assembly.

 

[Turbogsxmitsu]

I have a nice 20g from hahn racecraft. It was off my gst. It has a custom O2 housing and a 10cm exhaust housing, I am asking $600.00 Let me know if you are interested. My email is [email protected]

 

[sweet97]

I've run a 20g and currently a 50 trim. I'm tying to get the 50 trim to pull like the 20G, not there yet! mark

 

[BodyRage85]

Actually im just posting to thank all the guys on here who give good advice and try to help not hate. i'm actually in the process of building a 1g awd and i was wondering (for the guys who are here to help not hate) if i have a jdm cyclone motor (non jdm intake manifold Keith from turbotrix told me its actually better) 255 lph fuel pump, intake with 2g mas and k&n, mbc, 3inch r&r racing turboback exhaust with 3 inch high flow cat, act 2100 clutch, 660cc injectors, dsmmotorsport fmic with greddy type-s, ngk plugs(1 degree colder) and wires, ultra stiff shifter bushings, and a safc...what turbo would give me the most power while still have great efficency...also if anything u guys think i would need please add that too. Thank you and remeber please help not hate thats why these forums were created to help each other make the best out of our cars not hate and diss. and yes i plan on changing the timing belt and water pump when i get the motor ( YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO CAUSIOUS!!!)

 

[deusxmachina]

i call b/s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no way your ran a 13.1 with those mods. :thumbdown

Jeff Carpenter ran 13.2 (13.3?) with a gutted cat and 15psi. Tom Stangl did 12.9@104 with basically a K&N, catback, fuel pump, and more boost.

These times are nearly ten years old. Where's the Talon Digest archives when we need them?

To the OP: a 20g spools at 3500rpms or less and has a kick-ass midrange. A 50-trim spools closer to 3800 and has a bit better top-end. Can't go wrong with either. Certainly don't need either just for 12's, though.

 

[G_S_X]

What if you change your boost level, You can't just say a turbo spools at XXXX Rpm...

 

[deusxmachina]

It's a ballpark thing. But if you want to get picky about it, "a 50-trim spools about 400-500rpms slower than a 20g."