20g?

[redturboed95]

im looking to build up a monster and im wondering if a 20g is they way i should go. i want to break into the 12's( with slicks of corse i have a gst) and still have a beast as far as highways go.Any input would be nice.and i already know about the supporting mods and would i s-afc be ok for running such a turbo?

 

[autronicDSM]

20G will get you 12's.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

you might as well get a 50-Trim SBR has PTE 50-Trims for $839 internal wastegated. The cheapest internal wastegated 20G i have seen is $1100

 

[herostar]

I'll second the 50-trim, it has been a popular turbo lately, but that's because it's a proven performer. It spools like a 20g (maybe sooner) and flows more air. Tons of people are in the 12's with them, many many are in the 11's. The 50-trim loves pump gas too. It's the turbo I'd recommend if you're looking bigger than a 16g/t28 but don't want a full drag car.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

about a week ago i asked myself the same question if i should get a 20g a local DSM tuner who works at a dope ass shop told me that these are actually over rated turbos if you want a beast like the guys before me said 50 trims are pretty popular but if you get a 60 trim there is more power and you should be running race gas some of the time i believe

 

[Syndicate13]

The 20g is one of the most under-rated turbos out there. Everyone is so damn Garett happy nowadays that noone starts where they should. Look around at how many people are in the low 13's and under 110 traps with 50 trims. That's pathetic. You say a 50 trim is proven, 20g's went 10's in 97, not enough proof that it will get you where you want to be? If more people took the time to research and learn and grow with the car, DSM's wouldn't have the reputation they do. I swear if I hear one more DSM noob tell me how they're going to get a "T3/T4" and all this other shit before they even do a timing belt I'll scream. Hell a 16g will be more than enough for 90% of the people that own DSMs. But everyone wants a damn race car................

 

[GPTourer]

I plan to go with a 20G if and when I outgrow my EvoIII. I'm just not sold on the hype over the 50trim that everyone raves so much about these days. Tried and true Mitsu power for me. From my research, I would think an external gate is the best way to go with a 20G. For me, it will be a Bushur Racing 20G or a full TD06H from Slowboy or FP.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

oh god don't give me that $hit i may be 18 but that doesn't mean i don't know a thing or two about cars and DSM's i have owned 2 1g TSi AWD's i have had some wank a$$ $hit happen to my car and giving me this mumbo jumbo about i can't say a thing until i changed a timing belt :laugh: i have changed a few along with some trannies and axels, and some BPU's along with fuel components i even tore apart my cylinder head for fun and i am sure i am missing something but i hate it when ppl give me that newbie crap. he said he wanted a beast that is the turbo set up i was recommended towards and thats that i am not bashing the 20g my buddy ran 1 for a while in his 96 GSX and that thing had somewhere around 500 hp untuned and it pulled like a bat out of hell when he was breaking it in with 14 psi so please man give me a break i am learning here as we all are jusyt a simple fact and suggestion will do just fine for me

 

[Black95TSIawd]

what the hell did u just say?

 

[Diceman19]

yea, i would have to say i am quite confused by that post as well....

 

[coltboostin]

The 50 trim is a good turbo. The 20 g is more expensive, and doe s real well only on race gas because you need to run it out of its efficience range to get good numbers out of it.
I have run both turbo's and the BR 20g spools quicker and hits harder than the 50 trim, but the 50 trim is a top end and pump gas beffer.

As far as redturbod95, a 12 second car is not a monster by any means. Your goals can easily be achieved with a 16g.

 

[bastarddsm]

oh god don't give me that $hit i may be 18 but that doesn't mean i don't know a thing or two about cars and DSM's i have owned 2 1g TSi AWD's i have had some wank a$$ $hit happen to my car and giving me this mumbo jumbo about i can't say a thing until i changed a timing belt :laugh: i have changed a few along with some trannies and axels, and some BPU's along with fuel components i even tore apart my cylinder head for fun and i am sure i am missing something but i hate it when ppl give me that newbie crap. he said he wanted a beast that is the turbo set up i was recommended towards and thats that i am not bashing the 20g my buddy ran 1 for a while in his 96 GSX and that thing had somewhere around 500 hp untuned and it pulled like a bat out of hell when he was breaking it in with 14 psi so please man give me a break i am learning here as we all are jusyt a simple fact and suggestion will do just fine for me

Thats just it you don't know shit. I am 19 and have been around cars scince I was born. I could name every part in a sbc or sbf before i was in preschool. When i was 6 i was helpin a team set the valves on a 7 second all iron 392 hemi front engine fuel dragster. And I think I don't know shit. Any idiot can change axle's or a head, or even punch numbers into an afc. If you knew anything you'd have your car runnin low 12's on a 14b with pump gas. Untill then shut up read listen and learn.

 

[Syndicate13]

First of all I wasn't even talking about you there buddy. Taking things a little too personal these days? Age is not even relevant in this argument, I'm only 19. All I'm saying is a lot of people are quick to jump on a bandwagon. In this case it happens to be Garrett turbos. Everyone has to have a 50 trim because that's what everyone else is running. Nevermind the fact that a garrett center section and turbine wheel was never meant to go in a mitsu housing. I have not seen numbers out of a "mutt" or "hybrid" that would make me want to go with one over a 20g. Full garrett setups run very well, and have been around for a very long while., if I were interested in going garrett it would be that way. I mean think about it, I'm sure engineers at garrett spent at least a couple hours mating that turbine wheel and housing to make sure it worked well.

Nowadays, with a lot of new DSM owners, they all seem to want the biggest, baddest, fastest car around and don't work to it. There is a kid here with a GST that was running a T4 garrett with a 1.32 AR turbine housing with no fuel mods, at all. He didn't know any other specs on the turbo except that it was a "T4, bigger and faster than a T3/T4". Right. He now wonders why his car smokes and sputters and won't run at anything over 10 psi. Then there is the other case of a kid with a 1G. He just posted it for sale because it blew a headgasket. After someone offered to buy it and said they'd have it back together and running 25 psi in 2 weeks he replied with "not much more than I was running". Hmmmm, funny since this car is stock except a BOV and MBC. Unfortunately this is becoming the norm nowadays. Whatever happened to people starting small and learning along the way before they jump into something they're not ready for? Would you dive headfirst into the deepend if you didn't know how to swim?

 

[herostar]

Everyone needs to calm down here. I posted about the 50 trim because it is a little better on pump gas, and is a whole lot cheaper. The 20g is a good turbo. I was gunna run one on my old setup before I put the stroker in. Either one will get you where you need to be though. As stated above about the 14b and 16g in the 12's. It can be done, but it will be more work, and take better driving and tuning.

 

[GORBS88]

[As far as redturbod95, a 12 second car is not a monster by any means. Your goals can easily be achieved with a 16g.[/QUOTE]

Now finally someone knows what they are talkin about.....alll you guys seem to think that you need a big a$$ turbo to go fast...why????? whats the point...you want a 50 trim so you can run 12's......wow....why not runa 14b and run 12's....not hard at all.....guys are runnin 11's with 14b.....why not use it???? i run 13.1 on my 14b and still havent tuned it yet.....i have seen lots of guys runnin big 16gs and still in the 14's....dont under estimate the 14b!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[guitarXgeek]

Now finally someone knows what they are talkin about.....alll you guys seem to think that you need a big a$$ turbo to go fast...why????? whats the point...you want a 50 trim so you can run 12's......wow....why not runa 14b and run 12's....not hard at all.....guys are runnin 11's with 14b.....why not use it???? i run 13.1 on my 14b and still havent tuned it yet.....i have seen lots of guys runnin big 16gs and still in the 14's....dont under estimate the 14b!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nobody is denying the potential of the the 14b's and 16g's to run 12's or faster. Simply put, the larger 20g's and 50-trims just do it SO much easier, and a lot of times on pump gas nontheless. 16g+race gas+really good tuning = mid-low 12's no problem. 20g+pump gas+fair tuning = mid-low 12's no problem. Which would you choose? Not to mention the fact that the 20g's and such give you much more room to grow and run faster than the 16g's.

 

[GORBS88]

Nobody is denying the potential of the the 14b's and 16g's to run 12's or faster. Simply put, the larger 20g's and 50-trims just do it SO much easier, and a lot of times on pump gas nontheless. 16g+race gas+really good tuning = mid-low 12's no problem. 20g+pump gas+fair tuning = mid-low 12's no problem. Which would you choose? Not to mention the fact that the 20g's and such give you much more room to grow and run faster than the 16g's.

To me it just seems guys dont know how to make a car fast without a big turbo.....if i dont need to dish out 800-1200 dollars for a need turbo then why would I ???? i am not cuttin bigger then stock turbos at all just tryin to figure out why guys do it with everything else stock and wonder why they arent any faster then they were before...... its all in doinyour homework....if i can run 12's on my turbo...i am $1000 richer then the next guy....

Ohh yah and it is 14b+racegas + really good tuning = mid-low 12's not a 16g.....

 

[Syndicate13]

Ever wonder why there's some guys who can barely break the 12's with a 50 trim yet there are others running 11's on a small 16g with a near full weight car? Knowledge. Learn more, go faster. Throw a bunch of expensive parts at a car and watch it run mediocre times. Throw a combination that works well together and watch the car run faster than everyone thinks it's supposed to.

 

[-red97rum-]

Ever wonder why there's some guys who can barely break the 12's with a 50 trim yet there are others running 11's on a small 16g with a near full weight car? Knowledge. Learn more, go faster. Throw a bunch of expensive parts at a car and watch it run mediocre times. Throw a combination that works well together and watch the car run faster than everyone thinks it's supposed to.

Couldn't agree with you more. But there's a lot of different factors when talking about E.T.'s in the 1320 that I'm not even going to get into. I myself am looking at a 50trim. I'm going to be running a fully built engine though, and can't justify running a 16g on that setup. I want a lot of top end power that a 16g won't be able to provide, end of story. Of course I have plans of running 12's on bad day. I originally had my heart set on a 20g, but I can't justify it by comparing the prices of the two.<==DSMer logic on that one :laugh: But I seriously believe that 80% of dsmtuners shouldn't be running anything bigger than a 16g. It's all about research! For example, I visit DSMtuners/talk/nabr almost everyday. I've been a member here for a little over two years... I've only posted 75 times. What am I doing the rest of the time?? Reading and learning, the most important part of modding these little monsters we refer to as DSM's!

-Dustin

 

[naspat99]

my buddy has a td06h on his gsx running 20lbs the thing hauls ass i have a big 16g and he literally toys with me on the highway...ive personally driven his car many times the turbo pulls hard past redline and its unbelievable in the 100mph plus range. spool hits full boost just shy of 4000 with ported manifold and o2 housing... if your looking for a great street car with alot of power go with the 20 weve beaten corvette z06's porsche carrera4s bmw m3 and many others

 

[GPTourer]

Whatever turbo you choose, make the correct steps in order so that you and your car are ready. And above all else good TUNING is KEY. A lot of times people just toss a big turbo on a car without supporting mods just so they can say "I got a 50trim, or a T3/T4 hybrid, or a Super Reddish Blue T-9000 Killer" so they can impress people. At the least they are still slow or at worst they damage their engine. When people ask me what I have on the street, I just say a 16g. Some look all disapointed "cause SRT-4s come with those stock." But then, when I walk C5's on the highway its a different story. I appreciate the new technology, the competition and the choices - but I haven't seen enough evidence to support the claim that the 50 trim is "the pump gas king" or best bang for buck when everytime someone brags about the power output they got, its on race gas on astronomic boost levels. I was all sold on a Green and it was the only hybrid I would consider, but I'd rather go full Mitsubishi or full Garrett - both are pricey for a reason. Then I won't have to worry about some turbo that's been cobbled together on somebody's bench rather then coming out to the specifications the original manufacturer intended.

 

[herostar]

TUNING TUNING TUNING

This is what you need to focus on. One cannot stress enough how much a difference a good tune makes. People run 11's on 16g's and t28's because they choose parts that work together and tune very well. You can do that too. A properly set up 20g will net you 11's no problem, as long as you get the right supporting mods and take time to tune it right. Good luck!

 

[sweet97]

First I understood BOOSTIN21's post. he said to leave him alone cause he knows what he's doing and does not want heat for everything he says.
I would like 1 or 2 of you guys running your 14b's or 16g's into the mid 12's to list your mods. I don't see it being done on a full weight street driven car on pump gas. I hear TUNING< TUNING. Well how about some tuing 101 for the rest of us who are learning. Personally I have a 50 trim because DSMspyder99 gave me a pretty good deal on a new one he had. So manytimes I see guys saying that 14b's and 16g's will put you into the mid 12's, well list the mods. Then all that's left is tuning and we can address that next. So let's hear about the set-ups....If you are running race gas say so and give the mods.
In the end I will have the 50 trim, 710cc injectors, hopefully a street prepped, ported and polished head, most likely with stock cams. I run the GM MAF-Translator in my upper IC pipe. A Dejon street FMIC is being installed now. I will be runnin a Dejon intake pipe set up somehow to access outsde air. Alcohol injection is being considered with a lot of research being given to it first. I have a Buschur SS mandrel bent 2.5" exhaust, no cat.
I tune with a wideband A/F meter, the translator and the "Scanmaster 3" from fullthrottlespeed.
What am I missing?
So somene running in the 12's with a 14b or 16g please list your mods. Soon!
Buschur does get $1350. for his 20G. You can get a ball bearing GT-12 for that much. I've owned a 20G before so I know they are very capable turbo's.
As for building a monster the AGP RS52 would be a good choice. 52lbs/min and it' a 60 trim turbine wheel that still spools by 400 RPM's.
Looking foreward to the mod list of the guys who really know their DSM's. Please include some tips for the rest of us who do not know as much as you do because I can tell you I could not get my 14b into the 12's, not a chance for me so I need tips. Thanks! mark

 

[GORBS88]

First I understood BOOSTIN21's post. he said to leave him alone cause he knows what he's doing and does not want heat for everything he says.
I would like 1 or 2 of you guys running your 14b's or 16g's into the mid 12's to list your mods. I don't see it being done on a full weight street driven car on pump gas. I hear TUNING< TUNING. Well how about some tuing 101 for the rest of us who are learning. Personally I have a 50 trim because DSMspyder99 gave me a pretty good deal on a new one he had. So manytimes I see guys saying that 14b's and 16g's will put you into the mid 12's, well list the mods. Then all that's left is tuning and we can address that next. So let's hear about the set-ups....If you are running race gas say so and give the mods.
In the end I will have the 50 trim, 710cc injectors, hopefully a street prepped, ported and polished head, most likely with stock cams. I run the GM MAF-Translator in my upper IC pipe. A Dejon street FMIC is being installed now. I will be runnin a Dejon intake pipe set up somehow to access outsde air. Alcohol injection is being considered with a lot of research being given to it first. I have a Buschur SS mandrel bent 2.5" exhaust, no cat.
I tune with a wideband A/F meter, the translator and the "Scanmaster 3" from fullthrottlespeed.
What am I missing?
So somene running in the 12's with a 14b or 16g please list your mods. Soon!
Buschur does get $1350. for his 20G. You can get a ball bearing GT-12 for that much. I've owned a 20G before so I know they are very capable turbo's.
As for building a monster the AGP RS52 would be a good choice. 52lbs/min and it' a 60 trim turbine wheel that still spools by 400 RPM's.
Looking foreward to the mod list of the guys who really know their DSM's. Please include some tips for the rest of us who do not know as much as you do because I can tell you I could not get my 14b into the 12's, not a chance for me so I need tips. Thanks! mark

Ok here is my mod list....

3 inch exhaust
2gen manny
ported o2
rewired 190
k and n
180 stat
mbc@17

Now list of things that still stock that are holding me back still

Stock injectors
Stock rubber intake
STock intercooler piping
Stock side mount
Stock 14b
Stock tb elbow

Now my last run was 13.1 on PUMP gas....And if i did all the things on the second list except for the turbo i would be in the 12's....Now why couldnt you do that....????? Easy

Keep tryin...

 

[cfisher]

i call b/s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no way your ran a 13.1 with those mods. :thumbdown