20G vs. Green

[GSX4LIFE]

OK. Heres tehe dilio! #1, the Green starts at $1375. With all the bells and wistles, $1650. You want an 8cm housing? Thats another $50. And I dont know if they give you an oil line or not. My L2R was $1640, polished, ported, internally gated, and came with the oil install kit, shipped to my door. And #2 the "NICE" picture of the Green. Thats not a standard Green housing. The standard Green uses a TDO6 Mitsu compressor housing. That picture is of an FP cast housing. I believe that is the same one used on the FP30.(Notice the raised edge with FP logo?)
That looks more like a TO4E housing. I have seen polished Greens. tehy are nice, but they dont look like that. Now with all that said(about $1650 total for the dubbed out Green.), how can FP possibly offer the FP30 for less than $1700? That sounds a bit far fetched to me. I think the price will be closer to $2000, just to get into one. If you want to add anything, who knows what it will cost. And I am not a on an AGP campaign, well OK, yes I am. But dont get me wrong. I think the turbos that FP make are awesome. I would have gone with a Green, had I not seen a little post elsewhere about AGP. I checked out the site, and here I am a month later with the L2R on my car. I support them, because I have one, and I know the quality that went into it. And the performance is incredible. Nobody has to believe me, but I am not lying. Ill be at the picnic mentioned in the Hangout. And Ill take anyone for a drive. I think some eyes will be opened. I am approaching 20psi on it, and I think Im going back in time.

 

[UndergroundR32]

!!!!!!!!!! More and more I am leaning towards getting one.

 

[Killwicky]

Originally posted by GSX4LIFE
OK. Heres tehe dilio! #1, the Green starts at $1375. With all the bells and wistles, $1650. You want an 8cm housing? Thats another $50. And I dont know if they give you an oil line or not. My L2R was $1640, polished, ported, internally gated, and came with the oil install kit, shipped to my door. And #2 the "NICE" picture of the Green. Thats not a standard Green housing. The standard Green uses a TDO6 Mitsu compressor housing. That picture is of an FP cast housing. I believe that is the same one used on the FP30.(Notice the raised edge with FP logo?)

I really don't know where you can just come out and say something with that certainty, like it is a fact and be so very wrong. Keep making statments like that and you'll start losing what credabilty you may have had.

#1
The Green starts at $1375 and that includes porting, internal is $1525 including porting. Why are you throwing the 8cm housing in there for comparitive basis? Your L2R isn't a 8cm so why did you even bring it up and throw it in on the Green? Fact of the matter is, it's not listed there as an "upgrade" it is merley there in case it fits your paticular cars setup.

#2
And here is the part where you are very worng. That is very much a STANDARD TDO6 compressor housing. That picture is NOT a custom cast compressor housing. We have no plans to ever cast our own compressor housings. That is nothing like the compressor housing on the FP3055 or FP3065. The logo was made from a STAMP I use to identify our turbos parts from others and allows the customer piece of mind knowing they indeed have a genuine FP product. Tried, true, and proven. http://www.dsmtimes.org/

I am not raggin on you, and I appreciate you having considered purchasing an FP turbo, but given that fact that you clearly have no idea of what we are doing and/or what goes into our turbos I would greatly appreciate if you stop making your "factual"comparisons of our products on this public forum. It's hard for me to be a "good"guy when I have to come on here to firmly correct mistruths and second hand propaganda but I hope you understand I can't sit here and allow it to happen. I would gladley support you in your quest for advertising for AGP, but you have to use FACTS for comparison.
Here is an example:
My XXX turbo spooled faster and made more power than FP's Green turbo. Here is a dyno and/or here is a log graph. Thinking it SHOULD work better simply on having a ball bearing center cartridge is speculation. Show us some slips, show us some dynos, show me anything but your it shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Again, I not picking on you but you are clearly have an adgenda. This is a post that I honestly would rather not have to make but I feel it is only fair if your are going to make statments like that on a board where there may me impressionable, new to DSM, customers.

 

[samuraitekno]

damn nice post killwicky...

 

[GSX4LIFE]

Oh I understand where you are coming from, and I dont take it at all as picking on me. And if you say that is indeed a tdo6 housing than I am truly sorry. Ill take your word for it. I didnt mean anything as a factual statement. Sorry it came off that way. It just threw me off with that raised plate on the housing. Again, I appologize. But as far as the prices go, that was right from the site, no more than 20 minutes ago. So if the prices are lower, the site should provide the correct info. Please dont think of me as one of those people that say "this is how it is, and thats that" Im not like that at all. Everything I say is an oppinion only. I dont state that it is an oppion everytime, because I assume everyones statements are opinions. So I dont feel I should have to say it every time. Like I said, I think FPs products are great. But I compared the info that both FP & AGP gave me and made an educated decision from there. And I know , for me, that I made the right decision. Oh and BTW, if the internally gated Green is $1525 add the 75 for polishing(which I had done on my L2R) and your at $1600. Now do you get any kind of oil install kit, or stainless oil feed line with that? With everything I paid $1640, including shipping with insurance. Im just curious. And I bet so are others. Hope this clears things up.

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by GSX4LIFE
And #2 the "NICE" picture of the Green. Thats not a standard Green housing. The standard Green uses a TDO6 Mitsu compressor housing. That picture is of an FP cast housing. I believe that is the same one used on the FP30.(Notice the raised edge with FP logo?)
That looks more like a TO4E housing. I have seen polished Greens. tehy are nice, but they dont look like that.

What is your problem? That's a Mitsu compressor housing. Just because you don't know of it doesn't mean it's a custom cast piece. In addition, that is the standard housing used on all Greens, if you saw a Green without that housing the owner is not telling the truth about what he has. Lastly, the logo... um, ever hear of metal etching/stamping? You've seen polished Greens and they don't look like that? Give me a break.

As far as the price of any turbos that aren't released yet, why speculate like that? Do you have any clue what you are talking about? What is the basis for your information?

Your ignrorant, misleading posts are beginning to really piss me off.

 

[UndergroundR32]

You need to relax. So what if he was wrong, you don't have to act like it's something personal, tell him he doesn't know what he's talkin about and chill out. If you were a girl I'd say stop posting until you're off the rag.

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by UndergroundR32
You need to relax. So what if he was wrong, you don't have to act like it's something personal, tell him he doesn't know what he's talkin about and chill out. If you were a girl I'd say stop posting until you're off the rag.

Why don't you keep on the topic of the thread or don't post? Are you his attourney or do you have something against me? Which is it? I can't see any other reason for your post.

When I see someone misleading people and on the verge of libel (of a shop, which is against the rules of this site), repetedly nonetheless, I'm going to do something about it. Sorry if you don't like it but it's none of your business. In addition, nobody asked you to pass judgement on the way I clear up poor information (it's my job, look at my title).

 

[UndergroundR32]

Originally posted by BatmanGSX


(it's my job, look at my title)

:laugh:

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by UndergroundR32


:laugh:

Your one to talk, Mr. "Wheelie bars and spoilers do the same thing". Nobody fu@king asked you.

 

[2-0turbo]

Originally posted by UndergroundR32
You need to relax. So what if he was wrong, you don't have to act like it's something personal, tell him he doesn't know what he's talkin about and chill out. If you were a girl I'd say stop posting until you're off the rag.

 

[GSX_RCR]

...testosterone rising....egos flaring.....skin turning...green...muscles growing.....I.Q drops.......ARRRRGHHH!

 

[UndergroundR32]

One word, Midol.

 

[DSMu4ia]

Originally posted by BatmanGSX


Your one to talk, Mr. "Wheelie bars and spoilers do the same thing". Nobody fu@king asked you.

Buahhhhahh. I wish I would have seen that post.

 

[UndergroundR32]

Oh don't let your tardiness ruin the phun, flame away.

 

[jdmawd]

This Forced Performance turbo VS the world thread is getting old can people have a discussion without the forced performance cheerleaders spamming this forum with how there turbos are the greatest thing since sliced bread. they work, and so do many MANY other turbos. big WHOOP

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by jdmawd
This Forced Performance turbo VS the world thread is getting old can people have a discussion without the forced performance cheerleaders spamming this forum with how there turbos are the greatest thing since sliced bread. they work, and so do many MANY other turbos. big WHOOP

Maybe if there weren’t so many fast FP customers there would be fewer responses. In a thread about the FP green is it out of line for people with experience with that product to respond?

I’m sorry that you are constantly reminded about your uniformed purchasing decision. Don’t be grouchy just learn from your mistakes next time.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by rdrkt

Maybe if there weren’t so many fast FP customers there would be fewer responses. In a thread about the FP green is it out of line for people with experience with that product to respond?

yup and a LOT or them are DUMPIG their green and reds and bolting up l2r's and l3r's

I’m sorry that you are constantly reminded about your uniformed purchasing decision. Don’t be grouchy just learn from your mistakes next time.

IM not sorry, actually IM ecstatic I did not buy anything from them. My turbo selection was based on customer service and product explanation. as I have told you before. If my ETE32 does not perform like I expect it to, which I know it will. I will get something else, I have had no problems with my turbo, or turbo support. I have made a very good choice.

 

[samuraitekno]

i dont know anyone who would pay $1600+ for a green and then "dump" it for another $1600+ turbo... if you people have that much money just to switch turbos whenever you feel like it why dont you send some my way....

 

[EvolvingGST]

Originally posted by samuraitekno
The ones i saw didnt look too much different... and besides i thought the green was based on a 20g.... but anyways.. for you guys posting pics... i dont really care what one is shinier. its about performance not looks.. and the green i saw was just as pretty as your Lr2 ... but good info so far.. im not planning on getting one until after christmas.. so we will see when the time comes.

but it give u a nice feeling that somewhere in ur car there was something that makes ur car go fast and looks good... and now is under a heat shield somewhere so you really can't see it and has probably turned a brownish color... but it was nice to know that once it was *bling bling* as the nice kiddies like to say now a days... but the great thing is its something else that shine that makes ur car fast... given u will prob see it like next to never that feeling is good... unlike chrome rims...

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by jdmawd
yup and a LOT or them are DUMPIG their green and reds and bolting up l2r's and l3r's

Every time a new turbo comes out there will be a bunch of people ditching their setup for the next big thing. I really cant explain that phenomenon. Dumping a Green or a Red for L2R would be a waste. Besides if a red can make 500+ hp to the wheels I have no idea why anyone would get rid of it until they were at that power level.

Originally posted by jdmawd
If my ETE32 does not perform like I expect it to, which I know it will. I will get something else,

Dude it’s the grammar police your under arrest. So what you mean to say is that you already know that your ETE32 will not perform like you expect it to. Take thirty seconds before you post and re read what you type.

 

[jdmawd]

Dude its the turbo groupie police, you are under arrest. Take 30 seconds before you type, and get a life. What I said was if the ete32 does not work out, or perform like I expect it to. I will get something different. I know 2 people who have dumped there reds for L3R's, and 1 that dumped his green for a L2R. hmmm... that maybe all the turbos they have ever sold :laugh: i might just get a Br-57 with his incredible porting skills

Every time a new turbo comes out there will be a bunch of people ditching their setup for the next big thing. I really cant explain that phenomenon.

WOW i guess we should all be running big 16s' and 20g turbos right *PLEASE*

 

[Ludachris]

More turbo flames...

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

This is my 2cents to everyone looking to make a turbo purchase. Instead of asking a thread about one vs another, Ask a question about one specific turbo. Since everyone has there own opinions and bias do your own research:

Figure out your 1/4 and HP goals.
Narrow you turbo selection to ones that can acheive these goals.
Compare wheels,Spoolup,and top-end power of these turbo's.
Compare supporting mods needed to run each of your potential turbos.
Compare Prices of your potential turbos.

Then choose the turbo that will do want YOU want it to not what anyone else wants.

 

[Ludachris]

And if you guys really want to help these people make a decision - don't flame others. You just ruin the thread and bring down the quality of the forums. Take it elsewhere.