20g or 50 trim

[DCJ98GST]

You talked me into it . I will order the PTE 50 trim with .63 ar from extremepsi. I found they have a good price. What do I need to install it to the 2g? Am I gonna need the 90 degree passenger side elbow welded on to fit to intercooler pipes? Also what oil and other lines do I need to install it?

THe PTE exhaust housing only comes with one A/R option even though they say .48 or .63. The PTE housing comes out to A/R = .55. Do a search I think that is right though.

 

[Syndicate13]

THe PTE exhaust housing only comes with one A/R option even though they say .48 or .63. The PTE housing comes out to A/R = .55. Do a search I think that is right though.

I'm not sure where people get this info. They wouldn't give the option if there wasn't one. This is PTE's website, scroll down a little to see the Mistu line and you can see that even PTE gives an option. http://www.precisionte.com/sportcompact.php

 

[otofmyway6]

...seemingly the most popular and quickest cars on this board are the 'old technology' (1g) cars

 

[GSTspyder98]

Please do! I'm looking at getting that exact same setup in about a month...

sorry it took so long to reply to the thread, i just moved into a new house all day yesterday so i didn't have much time to get to a computer, i'm at work now so i don't have the camera and software here, i have to wait till sunday for comcast to install cable and internet, then i can download the pics and attach them to this thread, but i made sure i took pics of before, during and after installation, with pics of the turbo (compressor and turbine) ported evo III manifold and ported evo III o2 housing and then how it looks nestled in my engine bay, oh, and of course dyno results...just waiting for 20psi, then

 

[The_Baldman]

Check out the hahn super 20g. 10cm housing makes crazy top-end power and still spools quick enough for the street. I have the super 16g and can hang with standard 20g cars. And another thing, zero boost creep!

 

[GSTspyder98]

i had the hahn super 16g on my car before the PTE 50 trim, and its like night and day, i have just as much power at 14psi as the super 16g did at 20psi, and the 50 trim spools faster and picks boost up between gear changes faster than the 16g, and god almightly, with that 10 cm housing you'll be at 4500 rpm at least before you think about full boost, i just didn't like my HRC turbo setup, although there is a guy on here with a super 20g spyder that puts down some good numbers, i just don't think its as good for a street application.

 

[1fast97gsx]

People need to stop knocking and badmouthing PTE turbos. I have a pte scm61 and it hits full boost at 5000. Yes its late ... but it's a huge turbo. What do you expect!? The turbo makes tons of power even at only 15 psi. It's efficiency range isn't until the mid 20s, which is why people may not be too happy with them at low boost. I have only had it up to 23 psi so far ... but I can tell you this ... I can't wait to run 26 - 27 and see what it does. PTE turbos are amazing turbos and the customer service is also excellent. I'm sure the 50 trim will spool fast enough and besides ... who races from a roll???? Every "streetrace" I have ran in was from a stop ... and what do you know ... it's like that at the track too.

The 20g is also a nice turbo, however for the price I would choose the pte. They are very compareable imo ... but for the money the pte 50 trim is a better bang for the buck turbo.

 

[The_Baldman]

My hahn super 16g makes 20lbs of boost @3200rpm.

 

[2GSXWingZ]

I got mine from SBR w/90 elbow welded. The installed was relatively easy other than having to trim your A/C fan shrouds and blades to accommodate the wg. Definitely invest in a good oil return kit. The one I got with the turbo was a POS. SBR offers a kit that works great and looks awesome.

This turbo is very street friendly even at 5200 ft elevation. If you are worry about lag, eliminate it with a 35 or 50 shot for spool up then shut off after 10 or 15 psi and let the turbo do the rest. This is how I run at the track. This turbo will hit whatever boost level and hold it there until you decide to shift. No boost spikes.

With cams and ACT2600 clutch, I should be solid to low 12s no problem at this altitude!

 

[GSntncT]

People need to stop knocking and badmouthing PTE turbos. I have a pte scm61 and it hits full boost at 5000. Yes its late ... but it's a huge turbo. What do you expect!? The turbo makes tons of power even at only 15 psi. It's efficiency range isn't until the mid 20s, which is why people may not be too happy with them at low boost. I have only had it up to 23 psi so far ... but I can tell you this ... I can't wait to run 26 - 27 and see what it does. PTE turbos are amazing turbos and the customer service is also excellent. I'm sure the 50 trim will spool fast enough and besides ... who races from a roll???? Every "streetrace" I have ran in was from a stop ... and what do you know ... it's like that at the track too.

The 20g is also a nice turbo, however for the price I would choose the pte. They are very compareable imo ... but for the money the pte 50 trim is a better bang for the buck turbo.

I agree about the badmouthing. I don't have the scm 61, but I do have pte's 56 trim, and it has been thus far an amazing turbo for me. My boost imo hits roughly at 3.9k, and when it hits, it hits very damn hard-

BTW did I forget to mention this happens at my low boost of 17? With my mods, just imagine when I have a wild hair up my ass and run 26 psi?

The 50 trim spools very fast considering it's size, and potential. But not to talk bad about the 20G. Hell it's still around and sells, and often talked about. the 20G is more lag inducing than the 20 trim, but I don't think you can go bad either way.

 

[camman420]

I don't have the scm 61, but I do have pte's 56 trim .

The pte 56 trim is the scm61.

 

[ShapeGSX]

Check out the hahn super 20g. 10cm housing makes crazy top-end power and still spools quick enough for the street. I have the super 16g and can hang with standard 20g cars. And another thing, zero boost creep!

I'm assuming that you are talking about the slow class of 20G cars, here. The ones who bolt up a 20G and can't get out of the 12s or run 110mph in the 1/4 on race gas?

Why pay extra for the thuper 16G when a standard Evo III 16G can do the same thing or better?

 

[kpt4321]

either turbo could run a high to nid 12 cake... i'm saving up for agp's RS 49... those are good for 11's

What makes you think that the RS49 is some kind of magical turbo? It has a beter turbine housing design than the PTE turbo, making it a marginally better choice. That also probably puts it about even with a TDO6H 20g.

If the RS49 can run 11.5, the PTE 50 trim can run 11.6...

 

[kpt4321]

dont even bother with a 20G it is old technology.

How is the 20g any older technology then the 50 trim stuff? T4 50 trim compressor wheels aren't new by any means either, you know. They've been making shit like this since back in the day, when they were known as the frankenstein turbos.

It still uses the mitsu 7cm2 which you need to port the HELL out of to fit such a lagre turbine wheel.

What large turbine wheel are you talking about? The Mitsu wheels are very efficient, and therefore relatively small.

On the other hand, if you get a T3/T4 50-Trim not only does it flow more

Does it? Who said that? I'd like to see proof of this.

 

[GSntncT]

The pte 56 trim is the scm61.

Yeah, I just realized that after I typed it

Well, that and me just never calling it the scm 61. Oh well.

 

[-red97rum-]

Mitsu wheels are old technology?? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't the "all mighty" green use a TDO6H Mitsu turbine wheel? I think that speaks for it's self.

Why do people always complain about the 20g and lag...? Take the BR20g for example, full boost by 3500rpm in most cases and some even sooner. That's with a 20*-25* clip on the exhaust side.

 

[LandoAWD]

Why do people always complain about the 20g and lag...? Take the BR20g for example, full boost by 3500rpm in most cases and some even sooner. That's with a 20*-25* clip on the exhaust side.

You got me. My boost onset is rapid, violent, and tons of fun.

 

[ITSME4G63]

you see the new agp rs52? 750$! 20g what? shit, with the prices you pay for a 20g youd be nuts not to buy a 50trim.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

OK "old technology" wasnt the best word choice a better word choice would be out-dated. 20G are good turbo but they are better choices out there like the T3/T4 Hybrids. For Example, the 50 Trim is cheaper, flows more, and the housing does not require no porting like a 20G to get the most out of it. To me i dont see one reason why a 20G is superior in anyway. Both have been proven but the T3/T4 is just better turbo.

 

[LandoAWD]

MJMturbos

:thumbdown

 

[Jfizzle5]

If I post like this again, I will be banned.

sorry just read the rules didnt realize you couldnt post any vendors that arnt advertizing on the site. Or so thats how I interprited it. wont happen again.

thanks,
John

 

[ceedawg]

i had the hahn super 16g on my car before the PTE 50 trim, and its like night and day, i have just as much power at 14psi as the super 16g did at 20psi, and the 50 trim spools faster and picks boost up between gear changes faster than the 16g, and god almightly, with that 10 cm housing you'll be at 4500 rpm at least before you think about full boost, i just didn't like my HRC turbo setup, although there is a guy on here with a super 20g spyder that puts down some good numbers, i just don't think its as good for a street application.

I second that!!! I had the S20g.. Garbage! Especially spoolup time.T3/T4 50,57,60 trim are 1million times better.

 

[tsi20gawd]

Well I agree a well tuned 20G has gone just as fast if not faster than a 50trim. Old technology maybe......proven....hell yeah!
I think its not as important what "brand" turbo you purchase just that it will get you what you need. I have had MANY turbo setups and not one has even touched my 20G to date.
I say if you find a killer deal on a 20G dont pass it up because you think the 50trim is better they are both great decisions.
just for fun
20g 11.278@ 122.63
pte 50trim 11.286@ 122.95
dsmtimes.org

 

[Ghost1984]

I just have a quick question on the PTE 50 trim. I'm gonna be buying a turbo car soon and was interested in the 50trim. Do you need a FMIC to run it. I know its definitely needed for running a high amount of boost. But what if your running low boost until you can still get the rest of the supporting mods? I would most likely buy all the supporting mods first but I just wanted to know for sure.

 

[kpt4321]

Buy a FMIC first, otherwise you'll not be able to utilize the big turbo. If you put a bit turbo on and then run the low boost you'd have to without a FMIC< your car will be slower than it was with the 14b.