2.4L 4G64 Stage II Long Block from SBR

[joe039]

OK
so im thinkin its almost time to get rid of the old 7bolt. Im looking around for engine kits and i stumble upon this type thing from SBR.
http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=1898&

I'm not really a hardcore noob, i've got a pretty damn good idea of how everything works and whatnot.. but i've never rebuilt or put an engine in, everything up to this point has mostly all been bolt on stuff. Granted, when the time comes im gonna have buddies help me, but i just wanna make sure that when i DO finally do it, i dont get something that's a waste of money.

My questions really are this:
1)Is this engine out of my league?
2)Would it be a waste of money to have that engine running on pump gas and an evo16g?
3)How well do these engines work in 2g's?
4)is this a good kit?
5)would it be easier to try and create something like this myself, rather than buy that whole kit?
6)is the thing a waste of money regardless of other factors?
I know it's expensive, but i've got a bunch of $ slated soley for this thing (i've been saving for it for a couple years now).

THANKS GUYS!
-Joe

 

[CanadianTalon]

5500 dollars is a good price for a whole motor. I don't think it'll be a waste with a 16G and pump gas at all, the 2.4L lets you make more power with less boost than a 2.0, with quicker spool and more torque. If you can swap a motor, you could put this in. Talk to slowboy and see if it's really a 4G64, or if it's the more desireable 6-bolt G4CS.

 

[drivemusicnow]

unfortunatly it wouldn't just be 5500, because you have a 2g, you'll need the normal 2g-1g conversion items, SB adds another 1400 onto the price to include all the things you'll need to drop that motor in a 2g.

 

[joe039]

BEAUTIFUL!

Thanks a bunch for the help guys.

yeah im not too worried about the price, ive been saving to do this for a LONG time. when the time comes round to actually do it (prolly late july) i should have about 7 grand saved up to blow all at once, so that should cover the engine, the 1g-2g conversion thing, shipping, and the much needed beer to help complete the task.


.. oh and admins, if this post is in the wrong place.. im dreadfully sorry.

 

[Steve Hebert]

Keep us posted on how things go. Many may follow in your footsteps

 

[drivemusicnow]

BEAUTIFUL!

Thanks a bunch for the help guys.

yeah im not too worried about the price, ive been saving to do this for a LONG time. when the time comes round to actually do it (prolly late july) i should have about 7 grand saved up to blow all at once, so that should cover the engine, the 1g-2g conversion thing, shipping, and the much needed beer to help complete the task.


.. oh and admins, if this post is in the wrong place.. im dreadfully sorry.

I THINK.... that SBRs shipping will be free... but i'm not positive about that

 

[joe039]

yeah i checked, SBR's shipping is free. Yay SBR

and yeah, im probably not gonna be doin the engine thing for about a year since im gonna take about a year or so off of school to travel.

HOWEVER
once i get back, i'll probably be ready to go, and i'll document the whole thing so people can follow in my footsteps.

 

[ACKERSON]

If you are not concerned about price you might want to check out a different vendor. There have been many unsatisfied customers who have purchased engines from sbr. I also think it would be a huge waste to use any 2.3 stroker or a 2.4 hybrid with a 16g. Look around at other 2.3/2.4 turbo setups, most are using a significantly larger turbchargers on pumpgas. I'm not trying to tell you how to spend your hard earned money but I think a mild 6 bolt build and an upgraded turbo would be more powerful than a 2.3/2.4, the 16g can only flow so much air before it falls on its face.

 

[Limegrntaln]

I couldnt agree with ACKERSON more. I dont like the topline or TRW shit, its factory in my opinion or nothing. 16G will fall on its face with that motor bigtime, a 2.4 liter will spool a 3065 like a 20G on the street. I would look for somthing bigger, your going to spend $6,000 under the hood and still only have a 16G, maybe if you can drive you will be in the 11s on racegas. step up to a larger turbo and some better parts and get yourself into the mid 10s for that kinda money.

Nothing wrong with a 4G64, its a 7 bolt, but I have never heard or seen a 2.4 liter 7 bolt walk, any motor can walk if its not assembled properly but its a totally different crank and block in those motors. Unlike the 20 or so 4G63 7 bolt motors I have seen walk, and countless more that Ive heard about. Its getting harder and harder to find a G4CS anymore unless you are in Korea, where half of the hyundais with that motor are still on the road.

 

[joe039]

Thanks for y'alls input, great help. As far as the turbo situation is concerened, i would probably move to a larger turbo with that new set up, as a matter of fact i WAS looking at the 3065. It seems like an awesome buy. SO! I appreciate the input greatly, I prolly wouldn't stress too much about the 16g being on there for a little while, but i can assure you as soon as i switched to the new engine, a new turbo would come VERY soon afterwards.. like.. within a month or two, depending on cash flow.

SO not so good things heard about SBR huh? Also, likewise i haven't heard too many horror storys about crank walk with the 4g64. And as you said, the G4CS is a bi*** to find.. granted.. i haven't looked very hard but thats what everyone seems to say.

::shrug::
Cheers!

 

[shleppy]

I'm extremely happy with my slowboy stage two block and stage 4 head-so far 8,000 miles and the car runs great. I've bought a lot of parts from them and only had slow shipping on one item ever, and they upgraded the turbo they sent to me free to make up for it. Just my experience

 

[red91gst]

Jusy an FYI, we build BOTH 6 and 7-bolt 4G64 motors with cores ready to go. 4G64 has just become the standard name for a 2.4l Block.

Nate
SBR

 

[AL92]

I just picked up a super low mileage 2.4 like 20,000 original miles. Its out of a hyunda sonata the 6 bolt motor.I realize have to buy more stuff to put it in my 2g so bought another 2.0 6 bolt for some of that and will buy the rest new and then sell off 2.0 lower end and my 7 bolt in my car head etc.Should do ok in the end.I am hearing conficlting stories some still slaying the 7 bolt 4g64 walking but they are different crank and I thought block.They would make an easier swap but whatever .
Also heard the 7 bolt cranks are weaker than the 6 bolt 4g64 cranks. I have heard of several people breaking cranks but assuem this in in 7 bolt 4g64 and maybe they used remaned cranks or turned them or something.

So engine shops that are selling kits and these strokers what can you tell us average guys about them.Are they reliable.What about the crank breakage..etc. I think lots of guys want to build these once they realize how awesome they can be by making a big turbo feel like a small one for spool and making the car much better to drive off boost.

 

[liquordrunk]

If you are not concerned about price you might want to check out a different vendor. There have been many unsatisfied customers who have purchased engines from sbr. I also think it would be a huge waste to use any 2.3 stroker or a 2.4 hybrid with a 16g. Look around at other 2.3/2.4 turbo setups, most are using a significantly larger turbchargers on pumpgas. I'm not trying to tell you how to spend your hard earned money but I think a mild 6 bolt build and an upgraded turbo would be more powerful than a 2.3/2.4, the 16g can only flow so much air before it falls on its face.

that is true but he will need abreak in turbo the 16g would be fine for that .... and he should save a little more for a turbo. i bought a used fpred on this site for 850 and its a BEAST, for a break in turbo you need a small turbo since it will go to shit anyway because of metal depostis from the new motor but i have a 2.3 and used a evoIII16 to break in mine and now the RED its ridiculous power

 

[AL92]

Break in turbo this is the dumbest hing every heard. New factory motors get broken with new 14bs and everything else and it dont' hurt the turbos.You change out oil a few times more often when engines are new .What do you think oil filters do.Now if an engine self destructs huge than mabye it would wreck a turbo grant you that but from break in ,absolute BS!!!

 

[liquordrunk]

Break in turbo this is the dumbest hing every heard. New factory motors get broken with new 14bs and everything else and it dont' hurt the turbos.You change out oil a few times more often when engines are new .What do you think oil filters do.Now if an engine self destructs huge than mabye it would wreck a turbo grant you that but from break in ,absolute BS!!!

i hear what ur saying but i was not about to break in my 2.3 with my fpred since liek you an oil filter but that doesnt catch everything imm not gonan argue about but thats how i went a 16g for break in then after 800 mile i put the REd on and boosted 21 psi all day

 

[ACKERSON]

that is true but he will need abreak in turbo the 16g would be fine for that .... and he should save a little more for a turbo. i bought a used fpred on this site for 850 and its a BEAST, for a break in turbo you need a small turbo since it will go to shit anyway because of metal depostis from the new motor but i have a 2.3 and used a evoIII16 to break in mine and now the RED its ridiculous power

Good call. That is something a lot of people dont do, but should consider

 

[red91gst]

Break in turbo this is the dumbest hing every heard. New factory motors get broken with new 14bs and everything else and it dont' hurt the turbos.You change out oil a few times more often when engines are new .What do you think oil filters do.Now if an engine self destructs huge than mabye it would wreck a turbo grant you that but from break in ,absolute BS!!!

I would always recommend breaking in a motor with an older turbo. Don't forgot, an oil filter will not trap deposits until the deposits get to the filter. If your taking oil off the head, like in any BB setup, the turbo is the last spot on the motor to get oil, the oil that has traveled through the rest of the motor.

Nate
SBR