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1G maf vs 2G maf

Posted by butcha, May 5, 2011

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  1. butcha

    butcha Probationary Member

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    Do i need to upgrade to a 2G MAF in order to turn my boost up past 16 psi in my 1G? If so, do where can I get a 1G-2G wiring conversion?
     
  2. Carlz0r

    Carlz0r Proven Member

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    You'll have to make one yourself more than likely.

    Here's a wiring diagram:
    2G MAF in a 1G TEL/GVR4

    As far as it being necessary for turning your boost past 16 psi I can't tell you for sure. Are you running the stock 14b? Stock injectors?
     
  3. laser90

    laser90 Proven Member

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    No you don't need to upgrade. You can find the harness is the classified. I picked my up for $15. You can also make your own. There are quite a few write ups on how to make one.
     

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  4. Boost_Addict_88

    Boost_Addict_88 Proven Member

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    Here's the sitch: 1G MAFs, as us 1G owners know, pretty much suck. With that said, they can hold up to 350hp. 2G MAFs flow 29% better then a 1G's, which causes the AFRs to run LEAN. To fix this, a set of 550's, 22% more flow, causing RICHER condition over the stock 450's. This, with a tune, will have your car running better and ready for about 450hp.

    To answer your original question, no, you do not need a 2G MAF to run over 15psi. Before worrying about the MAF, first upgrade your fuel pump if you haven't done so. 190lph is a great pump (had one on my GS-T) and will allow you to run 15psi (not sure the max on that pump though). Are you on the stock Turbo? If so, consider a Small 16G, as its an overall better Turbo (max is about 22psi) as well as upgraded injectors (550's at least), as you can run into leaner conditions with the S16G since it flows more. I had stock injectors on my 1G with a S16G and never ran over 14psi.
     
  5. Bud92gsx

    Bud92gsx Proven Member

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    I hit fuel cut with a small 16g on 1g maf with 390 injectors..Upgraded to 450's and lowered fuel pressure and have not hit cut yet..Also been thinking about putting on my 2g maf but don't want to run lean..
     

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  6. MY1GDSM

    MY1GDSM Proven Member

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    Never mind what you MAY be able to get away with...
    Regardless the 1g Maf is crap He's a perfect example below of how badly they do. From a car I started to tune with a 1g maf needless to say It ended up with a 2g maf on it after this...
    Notice when the Maf signal starts to break up then AFR spike before Maf clamp saves the day.

    1g Mafs belong in garbage. Hell IMO All Mafs Period all belong there. ;)

    If you have a way to tune using Either a 1g maf or 2g.
    Id say 2g all the way just remember when using a SAFC to tune that when your reducing your Airflow signal that you want to retard Ignition Timing as well.:thumb:
     

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  7. butcha

    butcha Probationary Member

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    Thanks for the input guys. I am running a walbro 255, rc 550, small 16 g, 3" turbo back, tuning with a safcII and a wideband, and a fpr set at 43 psi. my problem is at 16 psi, roughly 5500 rpm, my car will buck and back fire. and feels like it hits fuel cut.
     
  8. burkgonzo

    burkgonzo Proven Member

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    Whats your plug gap?
     

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  9. butcha

    butcha Probationary Member

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    .28 1 step colder ngk plugs
     
  10. ilco187

    ilco187 Proven Member

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    You mean .028 inches. not .28 mm right? bpr6es or bpr7es is a good plug i run the 6's
     

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  11. butcha

    butcha Probationary Member

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    Yeah, sorry was replying from my phone. I am running the BPR7ES plug set at .028
     

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