14b or evo 3 gt?

[m0nk3estylez]

I just blew my t25 and I was wondering which one should I try.
14b & evo 3 gt that I have in the garaged

 

[wancsta]

I have seen the evo3gt live a long life and also grenade out of the box. I just don't trust someone making 50 cents an hour to make something that reliably spins at 80,000+ rpm's for me. But the hotside will work nicley with the 14b

 

[habitatguy187]

I have seen the evo3gt live a long life and also grenade out of the box. I just don't trust someone making 50 cents an hour to make something that reliably spins at 80,000+ rpm's for me. But the hotside will work nicley with the 14b

I've read that the biggest problem with ebay 16g's is the boost level. They're really not made for more than 16psi-ish.

 

[kottyking]

Well this is gonna turn into a bitchfest. I'm not gonna argue about which turbo is better. What I would do tho, is sell the 16g and put the 14b on there. If you don't have supporting fuel mods, you can't use the turbo to its "Potential" anyways. Let alone the reliability factor, that seems to be hit or miss. You should be able to run around 15 psi on the 14b all day long, just have a logger to tell you whats going on so you don't hurt anything.

 

[2slow4utsi]

p.s. 2slow4utsi- Please keep your comments to yourself. You have no idea about anything yet. You joined last month and giving people bad advise is bad... Did you know that an e3 at 10 lbs flows as much air as 14b at say 13-14 lbs??? So that means lower boost= lower intake temps= lower engine wear... And the 14b can go 13s well excuse me high 13s with no modifications to it like porting, clipping ect..( You might need to search what that stuff does)... Boost is just a number, CFMs is what counts...

How is reliability bad ADVICE? Wouldn't you want to get more out of a turbo with better parts? Wouldn't you want to run something bigger than a 450 injector or a small fuel pump? I know boost isn't everything and I am aware that the 16g can flow more lb/min but why would you just slap on a 16g? Why not do it the right way and get what you should out of it? Oh and sorry I have only been on here a month...I forgot knowledge on this site is measured by how long you have been registered.

 

[empie1]

End result- Check shaft play weekly. That 14b probaly has over 100k miles and the 16g under 10k... They both CAN be close to the end of their lives. I would take caution with both... I check mine whenever i pop my hood just to see and be carefull because i am running such high boost levels and lean a/f..

You are really giving some terrible advice and are on defensive.People who have been in this game for way longer than you have been there and done that with the ebay turbos.I agree that every once and a while, one will get by and last 20k.But the fact is, there is a reason why a mitsu costs 550 and a ebay costs 200.Use your head. If you wanna risk your engine with poor quality parts cause you cut corners, great.Enjoy those 13s.Maybe youll even get 12s with the turbo.I hope you do.But dont encourage a new person just to go with your decision without provideing all the facts.When it comes down to it, knock off turbos are a dangerous waste of money in the end.Why waste time running a questionable turbo when he has a mitsu that will get him into the same hp range?Have you ever seen a valid flow map for a knock off? I hope your not basing your numbers off a mhi....Either way, the clear best solution here is to take the ebay hot side, port it and use it with the 14b.Grab some fuel mods and tune it up.

How is reliability bad ADVICE? Wouldn't you want to get more out of a turbo with better parts? Wouldn't you want to run something bigger than a 450 injector or a small fuel pump? I know boost isn't everything and I am aware that the 16g can flow more lb/min but why would you just slap on a 16g? Why not do it the right way and get what you should out of it? Oh and sorry I have only been on here a month...I forgot knowledge on this site is measured by how long you have been registered.

I agree.Dont let it bother you bro, some people think forum post count and internet senority equate to wisdom.....Usually they are 16 year olds so just ignore it.On a side note, the 14b can grab 12s with the proper supporting mods and a good driver.AWD of course..

 

[2slow4utsi]

"Grab some fuel mods and tune it up."

I thought I was the only one giving bad advice.

 

[viperlp01]

Recently i honestly havent seen that many bad ebay turbos poping up... I personally have never seen one go bad or personally heard anyone have a bad ebay turbo... The early ebays blew up alot and i know that... Like i said do what you want... Im just letting you know the 16g has more potential and "some" work great... I would take my chances with a Ebay 16g over a 100k+ mile turbo...


^^^ he isn't wasting money... the turbo is in his garage...

Looks like everyone wants you to run the 14b. Might as well take the popular vote.. Im not a hard guy to work with...

 

[oldman420]

14b and rebuild it with the 16g hotside. Better flow and reliability, sounds like win win to me without all the bs.

 

[Lonewolf64]

Lonewolf64- Ummm i will let you know when i run 12s at 24 lbs with 12.0 A/F... Damn that is pretty hot isn't it and still no shaft play.... 250 dollars installed.. Damn i can buy two of these before i buy an MHI... I mean if i had the money of course, why not got with a true E3 but I am very impressed with this turbo so far. what a feat for those peices of metal making it into my head.Thats quite a long route haha... especially if the turbine exploded and it is no longer forcing air....OO ya i dont see a time from you??? What do u run on the MHI 16g???

I ran a 12.8X @ 108 on the authentic Evo III 16g at 20psi with no tuning but a Keydiver chip. I didn't post it up because this was a while ago and I have since lost the time slip. Since then I've fixed and added a few things, added HKS 264/264 cams, and a little more boost. As soon as I hit the track next time I'll post my newer, faster times just for you.

 

[ed_dogg23]

I guess ill drop my 2 cents.. I recently upgraded to a 60 trim but before this I ran a cheap 16g. I lifted the head with this thing out of the box at 28 psi on e85. After head work and head studs I tuned it and ran 13.1 @ 107 at 24 psi. However the turbo only lasted 3k miles and started blowing smoke. It had outrageous shaft play (in and out). Im lovein the 60 trim but I would run the 16g for a while untill you want a lil more power. . . . Personally I had the compressor wheel of a 14g poop at 22psi. I mean totally explode! Personally it did not have the power level I was looking for so the 16g would be a very good choice! Please note that I did not break in the 16g properly so I think this had something to do with the premature shaft play. It actually seized right after the install ### I started tuning at 25 psi with no break in period. Good luck with the build and pm me if ya wanna shoot me a call or somthin!!!

 

[kottyking]

Yea but a 14B isn't made really to be pushing 22 psi let alone 20. I'm not saying it cant be done, im saying your blowing hot air at this point.

 

[toofast82]

I had a 14b with 176k miles that i personally ran 20psi+ for 40k miles and it had absolutely no shaft play. Cracks in exhaust housing is a different story. I just put a 7cm housing on my current 14b and noticed a nice increase in topend which i run 20-22psi with no issues

 

[byebyev8]

I have the turbochargers.com evo3gt and I"ve herd some bad and good reviews about em. I'm going to see how long it last at 25+psi. If you have the fuel and tuning upgrades I'd say run the 16g but if not rewire the fuel pump and put on the 14b at around 18psi and you will be surprised in the difference between that and the t25.

 

[whiteflash]

^^^ he isn't wasting money... the turbo is in his garage...

Looks like everyone wants you to run the 14b. Might as well take the popular vote.. Im not a hard guy to work with...

I'm with ya....Might as well try the 16g and if it lasts then great, if not, throw the 14b with 16g hotside on it. Chances are if the 16g were to blow, it might just develop some shaft play and smoke a bit; and probably not shoot metal shards into the motor.

 

[gsxeclipse97]

chances that i wouldn't take smoke maybe metal shards maybe extreme but always a possibility and some people just are not that lucky.

 

[molotovman]

good info here

 

[reardrv]

You know most of the replys here are from people with no Ebay turbo experience, I've been running one on my car for almost a year with no issues. It seems like a decent quality piece. I also had a friend who put one on is 06 WRX (an IHI knock off I think) and ran 11's with it and drove the car like that for along time with no issues, well at least until he blew his tranny . Will it last as long as an MHI turbo, no. I have a laser with 173k on it with the stock 14B that has no shaft play at all. I'd say put in the Ebay turbo and if it starts puking smoke or showing signs of failure you have a 14B to throw on there as a replacement. Also since there seems to be a performance debate going too, I pulled a 13.3@103MPH on 16PSI. I'm going back to the drags Wensday and will be posting faster times because last time I only got to run twice, and because I only pulled a 1.9 60'. I've pulled a 1.7 before with that same car.