14b+IC piping on a 2g

[Jeremoose]

Hey guys. I recently decided I'd be going with a dejontool intake and IC piping along with my 14b/1g bov. Small problem: I'm not exactly sure what I'll need now for the 14b install.

So here's the breakdown of what I want to get, all found at http://dsm.dejonpowerhouse.com/

-CIP-2gS intake pipe
-UIP-2gA upper IC pipe
-LIP-2gB lower IC pipe

Here's what I have ready to be installed.

-1g BOV
-14b turbo
-boost controller and gauges

Am I forgetting anything? I'm hoping those IC pipes will replace the J-pipe and other pieces I would ordinarily need to get the 14b installed on my 2g. So basically: what am I missing for a smooth install of all of this?? Thanks in advance

 

[daveyfx]

You don't necessarily need the CIP-2gS intake pipe as your existing T-25 intake pipe will work just fine.

The UIP-2gA upper IC pipe and LIP-2gB lower IC pipe will work great and those are exactly what I have on my GST right now. The lower pipe does replace the OEM j-pipe and will include the j-pipe bolts and gasket as well. Dejon's kits include everything you need.

It sounds like you're doing a complete swap so make sure you've got new manifold-to-turbo bolts, a new manifold-to-turbo gasket, proper oil feed line for the 14b (go stainless feed), and new gaskets for the oil return line. Some people modify their 2G return line to fit but I found it easier just to use the 1G return line.

When I did my swap, I had to use the coolant hard lines from my T-25 and swap them onto the 14b. After doing so I also had to buy some fuel hose so that the hard lines from the turbo could reach the hard lines from the block.

Good luck.

 

[MrBoxx]

^^ That sums it all up. Oh... one more thing you'll need when you do the install: Patience of a saint. Hit all the turbo bolts and exhaust bolts with some PB Blaster or WD40 to help break them loose. I had to soak mine for three days and use a two foot breaker bar to get my turbo bolts loose. The 14b is a great little turbo, and I'm sure you're going to have a lot of fun with it. Let us know how things go and try to get a few pics if you can.

One more thing: Are you porting the turbo or is it already ported?

 

[Jeremoose]

The turbo is not ported, I plan on doing that down the road a little bit. Sadly, this all costs money, . I'll for sure pop some pics up of the install process, including before and after. Thanks for the hints on the bolts, I'm lacking in patience so every piece of advice will help I'm sure

P.S. I live in Canada so I'd imagine it'll take awhile before I get the parts and can start installing them

 

[daren_p]

The turbo is not ported, I plan on doing that down the road a little bit. Sadly, this all costs money, . I'll for sure pop some pics up of the install process, including before and after. Thanks for the hints on the bolts, I'm lacking in patience so every piece of advice will help I'm sure

P.S. I live in Canada so I'd imagine it'll take awhile before I get the parts and can start installing them

Before the turbo goes one is the best time to do your porting or you have to do twice as much work later one. If you have a die grinder & compressor all you need are some carbide bits and some sanding disks/flapper wheels & a little time. Porting is really easy to do. As for the wait, it depends how you get it shipped. If you don't mind paying the crazy brokerage fee's that UPS charges (unless you have your own broker, which I doubt) I got my order in 2 or 3 days via UPS last time. If it goes by mail it could take a week or two but will be alot cheeper on the wallet.

 

[Jeremoose]

Hmmm, I can get my hands on a compressor easy enough, I work in construction. This die grinder and the carbide bits, where can I find these and what type of price tag are we talking? Or would a regular mechanic shop have these tools (my grandfather owns a shop)? Also: does porting make that huge of a difference? Can you give me any kind of idea how much better the 14b would flow (assuming I do a good job with the porting)?

 

[Burnett03]

Hmmm, I can get my hands on a compressor easy enough, I work in construction. This die grinder and the carbide bits, where can I find these and what type of price tag are we talking? Or would a regular mechanic shop have these tools (my grandfather owns a shop)? Also: does porting make that huge of a difference? Can you give me any kind of idea how much better the 14b would flow (assuming I do a good job with the porting)?

www.spooled.org/serv.html for porting

 

[MrBoxx]

For my port job, I went to my uncle's workplace. He's a mechanic that works on semi-trucks, so he has a huge compressor and tank (250 gallon, if I remember right), the die grinder, and a set of carbide bits and stones that he'd never used before. He showed me how everything basically worked and let me get to it. I used a carbide burr similar to this:

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When I was done with my turbo and O2 sensor housing, the burr was still in like-new condition, so I'm sure whatever you get should last a while. After the basic porting was done, I used a sanding stone shaped somewhat like the one in this pic:

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Those were the only two I used, and I'm sure any good shop should have at least one of each type. As for flow increases... yeah, removing the step on the turbine housing inlet is a good idea, since it opens up the chamber a lot more. The big thing is getting the wastegate area opened up to reduce boost creep. There is a current thread floating around of a 14b that's boost creeping, so even though these turbos aren't as bad as 16g's for creep, they are certainly capable of it.

 

[Jeremoose]

Ahhh, perfect. I'll have have to ask my grandpa about those tools, he probably has them lying around as well and could likely help me out. Any more thoughts/comments on my setup?

 

[MrBoxx]

It sounds pretty good. Keep boost down a bit till you get a logger and some fuel mods (pump, injectors, AFC or similar) and enjoy the noticeable increase in power you get from the 14b. It's pretty much night-and-day difference from the T25.

 

[Jeremoose]

You read my mind After I get the IC pipes, 14b, and 1g BOV in I'm gonna leave the boost at 15psi, then comes some logging equipment and a 190lph fuel pump. I'm getting excited...

 

[scottsee]

I would recomend re-wireing the fuel pump at the very least when you do a 14b.

 

[Jeremoose]

One more question for you guys about the IC upgrade I'll be doing... Now when I emailed dejontool they obviously reccomended the upper IC (UIP-2gA) and lower IC (LIP-2gB) with the proper 1g bov and 14b connections. However he also mentioned the UIP-2gB which is described as the "UPPER INTERCOOLER 'S' PIPE".. Is this piece needed for max performance? I'm really on a budget and I'm wondering if its needed or if it'll make much of a difference for the 85$. Thanks again guys!

 

[scottsee]

My buddies logged 1.4lb/min increase in airflow with dsmlink when upgrading from the stock UICP to the Dejon UICP. I had one untill I installed my FMIC, PM if your intresed.

 

[MrBoxx]

I replaced the S-pipe mostly so the whole thing would look better. Some people complain that the flange for the throttle body is a little thin, and I agree that it could be a little thicker, if only so the bolt lengths match up to stock lengths through the throttle body and intake manifold.