"WRC" 2Ga Talon TSi

[Sirius1995]

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[Sirius1995]

New 7bolt Block inspection

 

[Sirius1995]

I had second short block for possible spares

 

[Sirius1995]

I upgraded stock lifters to 3G non tick lifters

 

[Sirius1995]

While I was building engine at work, I started to build the body at home

 

[Sirius1995]

I bought a Evolution III WRC decal set which I wanted to put on her after paintjob and I did some photoshopping and video game examples what she will look like

 

[Sirius1995]

Body is almost completely stripped down and ready for some serious sanding

 

[Sirius1995]

There's a few spots I need to fix before I fully sand it, I want her to be perfect but gladly I have donor cars and fabrication skills

 

[Sirius1995]

And now I've catch'd up to present and will update as I go, passanger quarter panel is sanded down to 180, will finish whole body with 380 once I get it done 180grit all the way first

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

I like where this is headed, pictures never do justice of just how much work it is to strip a car down that far and do all the body work.

If I might give some advice, we were just discussing this in another thread but you’d be better to put the stock lifters back in. A slight tick when the engine is cold that does zero harm isn’t worth the oil the big hole lifters scavenge from the bottom end at high rpm. The Kiggly HLA regulator would help with that but many of us prefer the stock small hole lifters for this reason.

 

[dwb]

If I might give some advice, we were just discussing this in another thread but you’d be better to put the stock lifters back in. A slight tick when the engine is cold that does zero harm isn’t worth the oil the big hole lifters scavenge from the bottom end at high rpm. The Kiggly HLA regulator would help with that but many of us prefer the stock small hole lifters for this reason.

This is hearsay until proven otherwise.

There's nothing wrong with 3g lifters. I've been running 3g lifters and stock regulator for the better part of a decade with absolutely zero issues. Have you ever compared the two designs? I have. The feed hole on the side of a 3g is approx. the same size as the original 1g. It just has a much larger exit hole on top, which allows it to expel easier, not necessarily more volume.

Lifter tick can cause phantom knock. So I wouldn't say 1g lifters causes zero harm.

This thread has a nice picture comparing the two: https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/whats-the-difference-between-1g-2g-3g-lifters.435508/

 

[Sirius1995]

I chose 3g lifters as recommendation from a DSM veteran, I'm gonna run basically stock evo3 engine setup and as I rebuild the whole engine I asked which one I should run and 3g lifters, I also chose them because humidity and hot air in south Mississippi

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

This is hearsay until proven otherwise.

There's nothing wrong with 3g lifters. I've been running 3g lifters and stock regulator for the better part of a decade with absolutely zero issues. Have you ever compared the two designs? I have. The feed hole on the side of a 3g is approx. the same size as the original 1g. It just has a much larger exit hole on top, which allows it to expel easier, not necessarily more volume.

Lifter tick can cause phantom knock. So I wouldn't say 1g lifters causes zero harm.

This thread has a nice picture comparing the two: https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/whats-the-difference-between-1g-2g-3g-lifters.435508/

Not saying it’s going to kill an engine instantly, I’ve worked with plenty of these cars the last 17 years, plenty of them had “revised” lifters, none of them failed because of so. I’ve also heard that lifter tick CAN cause phantom knock, but in that time over all the dsm’s I’ve been around that’s never been the case. The point is long term, and especially long term in cars that see regular “spirited” driving and sustained high rpm wether it be at the drag strip every other weekend, autocrossed a few times a month, rally car, whatever the case may be. Yes for years the “revised” option has been the go to, but in recent years people like Kevin from Kiggly realized the downfalls too (hence why he came up with his HLA regulator), and in recent years there’s been plenty of findings why they haven’t been the best solution, hence why even a few of the “fast guys” are using nothing but the small hole 1g lifters. The link you posted shows the differences we are all aware of and all of the information there 11 years ago isn’t even correct.

Again, that’s not stating “3g lifters” are going to trash an engine right off the rip, that’s obviously not the case. Hell I’ve got a good buddy that has Dan Buschur build his engines, and as long as he’s been doing it he swears by the ITM branded revised lifters, and none of his engine failures making over 800 on a Mustang dyno have been a result of the revised lifters, the point is the guys making the parts and doing it have done their research and it’s enough for me myself to stick with them and advise others to do the same. Long story short, revised lifters are nothing but a solution to a problem that’s not actually a problem.