What should i do before i do a turbo conversion

[Eclipseman68]

I have a 96GS Eclipse and was wanting more power in a way of a turbo because my friend has a 95GSX and i want to be able to smoke him but i read some post and i plan on running at least 10-12 lbs of boost and i was just wondering could i swap the pistons and rods out of a turbo eclipse and put them in mine and would they be able to hold up to that much boost? Also what all could i take off a turbo setup on a GSX and swap to help me with my turbo conversion to save money i want to save as much money as possible

 

[miamieclipse]

It's funny because I read your post then saw the date of your membership and it all made sense.

You cannot run more than 8 (that's pushing it, others have run 10 but I don't reccomend it) pounds of boost safely. You will have to get forged pistons & rods...And to my knowledge you cannot swap in 4g63 pistons & rods.

You have alot of research ahead of you, I suggest you start.

 

[GOTNOS]

I have a 96GS Eclipse and was wanting more power in a way of a turbo because my friend has a 95GSX and i want to be able to smoke him but i read some post and i plan on running at least 10-12 lbs of boost and i was just wondering could i swap the pistons and rods out of a turbo eclipse and put them in mine and would they be able to hold up to that much boost? Also what all could i take off a turbo setup on a GSX and swap to help me with my turbo conversion to save money i want to save as much money as possible

If you have absolutely no money invested in paint, body kit and anything over 5k in mods get rid of your car and buy a turbo car. I have a talon esi nt which I bought new and paid for and have thousands in modification that I can't even sell it and get what I have into it. I just turbo'd the car, spent 3k for a kit and replaced half of the parts that came with it. You'll have alot easier time getting HP out of a turbo'd car with simple bolt ons and tuning. You might want to do a search I'm not sure what is better the GST or GSX there might be a drawlback to the AWD or an advantage.

 

[miamieclipse]

Definetly and advantage on the AWD for me

Don't tell the noobie to just sell his car and buy the turbo car (altho that is probably what he will do), I would have ad the chance to sell my car & go turbo but I choose not to, the 420a i a good engine w/ drawbacks & advantages. I like it, and I will be keeping it for a while (In the process of building my custom kit for it )

 

[jimmy169]

Look at it this way...u spent 3k atleast on a turbokit to produce a bit more power than a stock dsm. He buys a fuel pump, and ups the boost and matches your power and can surpass it easy. You have to rebuilt to get more power, another...who knows how much that will cost...he can spend so much less and still beat u, and no matter what he is awd so from a stop your screwed either way. He can sell the car eventually, you've put so much into it by then u won't wanna sell it...

Do some research...maaaan I'ma get flamed for this and I'm a turbo'd 420a

 

[igopoopy]

I have a 96GS Eclipse and was wanting more power because my friend has a 95GSX and i want to be able to smoke him

a turbo 420a is not faster than a gsx

 

[GSGoinFast]

Look at it this way...u spent 3k atleast on a turbokit to produce a bit more power than a stock dsm. He buys a fuel pump, and ups the boost and matches your power and can surpass it easy. You have to rebuilt to get more power, another...who knows how much that will cost...he can spend so much less and still beat u, and no matter what he is awd so from a stop your screwed either way. He can sell the car eventually, you've put so much into it by then u won't wanna sell it...

Do some research...maaaan I'ma get flamed for this and I'm a turbo'd 420a

not this shit again! Do you see quadripelgic hobos running around trying to sell there bodies and buy a body with 4 working limbs? no! work with what you have, face the challenge, it will be more satisfying in the end.

 

[CrazyClipse]

not this shit again! Do you see quadripelgic hobos running around trying to sell there bodies and buy a body with 4 working limbs? no! work with what you have, face the challenge, it will be more satisfying in the end.

Best advice one can get!

Poll question seems non relevant now and its everyone can interpret it differently. I voted yes understanding at is rebuilding the 420a and throwing a kit on it.

 

[jimmy169]

Best advice? How much did u guys spend on your cars? Either I am really biased towards the other side or I'm the only one keepin it real...

 

[pr0]

Best advice? How much did u guys spend on your cars? Either I am really biased towards the other side or I'm the only one keepin it real...

Sometimes keeping it real goes wrong

 

[GSGoinFast]

Best advice? How much did u guys spend on your cars? Either I am really biased towards the other side or I'm the only one keepin it real...

ill explain to you my exact logic of thinking...

one day im driving home, and drive past the mitsu dealer... whoa theres a nice looking black 98 GS-T sitting in the lot. so i turn around and pull in to look at it... only 55k miles! what a good find. but theres no price. i go home and look it up online, asking price:.$17,999... after i shit my pants i went back to talk to the dealer when they were open since they were closed at the time. i tell the guy the blue book value is $10k and he says i know but there in high demand around here. it ended up being sold for $13,000. now i bought my car a year ealier with 58k miles on it for $10k. when i found that GS-T i could only get around $8k for it. so thats a $5k difference, enough to rebuild, and turbo it, and be alot faster.

the guy called me a couple weeks later to tell me about a GSX that they had. 108k miles on it. it was a 97... $12,999. the difference just isnt worth it around here. i know you can get them for cheaper elsewhere but where i live, used car prices are inflated alot. so thats why i think the way i do. plus its a good challenge and allows you to be unique, unlike the fast turbo dsm's which are a dime a dozen....

 

[WHite97RS]

either way you go you will still own a DSM, which in any form is better than a honda. I was given my car by my parents, so i obviously didnt complain about it not being turbo, so im workin with what i got. In my opinion, if you try and trade in your n/t and try and buy a 4g63 powered car your gonna end up spending more than you would have if you had saved and built up your 420A. Not only in price, but insurance costs as well.

 

[turboed420A]

either way you go you will still own a DSM, which in any form is better than a honda. In my opinion, if you try and trade in your n/t and try and buy a 4g63 powered car your gonna end up spending more than you would have if you had saved and built up your 420A. Not only in price, but insurance costs as well.

well said

jimmy169 you are a disgrace to the 420a community... "I'm keeping it real" :thumbdown.

 

[jimmy169]

Thats what my logic was too, but to turn a non-turbo car into a turbo car...the costs add up...either way u look at it your spending doe, but I still say if u could, get a gsx...

 

[jimmy169]

well said

jimmy169 you are a disgrace to the 420a community... "I'm keeping it real" :thumbdown.

w/e, just be truthful with him on this atleast...if u turbo, you will need to rebuilt it eventually, everyone does, your ganna up that boost trying to beat a gsx that hardly needs any mods to beat u, and then u can come back to these guys to bring your spirits up...

And there's so much more to it than that, u can't even get a damn s-afc to work with our cars safely...but maybe I'll feel dif. after I break in my engine, we'll see...I appologize if anyone is mad, thinks i'm a traitor or something, but what can I say this is all costing me a lot more than I thought...

 

[WHite97RS]

ive been researching for like the past 18 months, and i am gonna build a custom kit, total estimated costs 3400, with a built bottom end, t3 50 trim turbo, FMIC. Just takes some looking around and alotta research, you dont wanna rush into something like this. However i will never be faster than a GSX except maybe on the highway, but not from dead stop. Just depends on one main thing do you want a challenge. If so, keep the 420A.

 

[Eclipseman68]

Ya i read all the repiles and thanx for the comments and i want to trubo my car but the whole issue is the money well thats what preety much every issue comes down too is the money but u all know what the funny thing is about my friends GSX is that my little non turbo 420A could beat his car even he said so because his transmisson is totally messed up right now it runs and everything but the transmisson is not good for racing. And jimmy you talk aout selling my car an getting a GSX or GST well i would be spending at least 10,000 on a good low millege car and i could make my car run 11's with that much money saved because my car only has 55000 miles on it and preety much new transmisson th car just need springs and struts and i only paid 1800 for it and it helped i knew the guy but im going to stick with my car. And it all comes down to is that most of us we all love a challenge so after im beating turbo cars then my satisfaction will be greater knowing that i did all that to my car, and keep a look out because eventually i will have pics of my car soon ROCKS

 

[GSGoinFast]

And there's so much more to it than that, u can't even get a damn s-afc to work with our cars safely...

where did you get this bit of info from? so me and many many others aren't running our s-afc's safely? hmm

 

[jimmy169]

Don't mean to be the bad guys here guys, it's just honestly my opinion. Next time I will be more positive and just ignor the posts asking whether to sell they're car or not, plus it seems like he's had his mind made up.

I tried to get the e-manage working on my car and it can be done, but it is too much of a pain in the ass I guess and the shop wouldn't do it (I cannot do electronics). This is why I went with the portfueler. If you search this place or 2gnt, there's tons of posts about the s-afc not working well with our car because of timing issues.

This is a 2gnt section so abviously most ppl will say go for it and turbo the 2gnt, but i'm surprised more ppl arn't saying that if they could start over, they'd get a stock turbo one. But then again if this is what happens when someone does say something like that, getting jumped on chewed up and spit out, I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

 

[jimmy169]

i could make my car run 11's with that much money saved because my car only has 55000 miles on it and

11's huh? Lets like u got everything figured out, best of luck to ya

 

[WHite97RS]

if i had the choice i would have definately gone with the 4g63, but like i said previously, i was given my car. But if had bought it, i would have gotten a 1G GSX, or a 2g GST. 2gGSX to much money

 

[GSGoinFast]

Don't mean to be the bad guys here guys, it's just honestly my opinion. Next time I will be more positive and just ignor the posts asking whether to sell they're car or not, plus it seems like he's had his mind made up.

I tried to get the e-manage working on my car and it can be done, but it is too much of a pain in the ass I guess and the shop wouldn't do it (I cannot do electronics). This is why I went with the portfueler. If you search this place or 2gnt, there's tons of posts about the s-afc not working well with our car because of timing issues.

This is a 2gnt section so abviously most ppl will say go for it and turbo the 2gnt, but i'm surprised more ppl arn't saying that if they could start over, they'd get a stock turbo one. But then again if this is what happens when someone does say something like that, getting jumped on chewed up and spit out, I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

if i were to start over, i would probably get a GSX... but only for the awd, not the 4g63... hell if there was a 420a awd model i would jump on that in a second, i love awd, but i also like haveing the "underdog" engine and wowwing people with what i can accomplish with it with a bit of hard work. just how i feel.

i think more people havent jumped in to say sell your car because probably not too many 4g boys saw this thread

 

[jimmy169]

Well like I said I didn't mean to be the badguy, I was just putting myself in his shoes and thought of what I could do dif. if I didn't put so much money into the car already.

That ironic thing is right now over at a local board I am at, the 4g63 owners r giving me hell about spending so much and only aiming for 300whp (I'm not even sure if I will get that, but hoping for the best) so they kinda brainwashed me, again I apologize, , but damn those bastards r rippin me apart...it's just friendly bustin balls really but still pissed me off and got to me, i'm the only 420a there, anyone here that lives in CT with a 420a that hasn't been to ccdsm.net yet?

 

[GSGoinFast]

Well like I said I didn't mean to be the badguy, I was just putting myself in his shoes and thought of what I could do dif. if I didn't put so much money into the car already.

That ironic thing is right now over at a local board I am at, the 4g63 owners r giving me hell about spending so much and only aiming for 300whp (I'm not even sure if I will get that, but hoping for the best) so they kinda brainwashed me, again I apologize, , but damn those bastards r rippin me apart...it's just friendly bustin balls really but still pissed me off and got to me, i'm the only 420a there, anyone here that lives in CT with a 420a that hasn't been to ccdsm.net yet?

tell them to suck a nut and pound any of them that you can. and stay away from the ones you cant

 

[jimmy169]

! After replying to them I ultimately have this conclusion...

Def. have to work with what u have, as in if u can find a cheap GS-T or GSX, go for it, if u can't and find a cheap nt where the cost of building internals is cheaper with on top of the GS is cheaper, go with that. Also depends on how bad insurance is.

What I am ultimately disapointed in is the awd factor not being there....but otherwise, do wha u gotta do