What Caused this, and is the engine gone

[Wicked91rttt]

I purchased the car knowing I would have to replace some stuff. I was told I need a new head/or rebuilt head, and a timing belt kit. The head was rebuilt and a few hundred miles after the rebuild this happend. I will attach a picture below showing what i was told caused this.

I hope the bottem end is fine, I guess I will find out once I remove the head.

 

[Wicked91rttt]

The circled part I was told was either not installed, or not tightened down.

That is all I know and I was hoping that someone who is more knowledgeable about these cars could help me out.

Brett

 

[Defiant]

Good christ, what zinchead worked on that thing? Did you find the part in there? It's in charge of running the oil to the lifters and cams.... which is why the intake seized and snapped off the sprocket.

I'd expect the bottom-end is about to grenade itself, too.

 

[Tallen]

Take it back where it was rebuilt. That "piece" just does not fall off...the rebuilder lost it...but as defiant said, thats what it died...

Its the rebulders fault clearly. You'd be lucky to find your botom end in good shape.

 

[CR95GST]

Holy Moly. That is unreal. I agree with Tallen, run back to where the head was rebuilt and demand some answers. Even myself who is no mechanic at all would know enough not to put a head on without the oil distribution cap!

 

[98RedGs]

Originally posted by Defiant
Good christ, what zinchead worked on that thing? Did you find the part in there? It's in charge of running the oil to the lifters and cams.... which is why the intake seized and snapped off the sprocket.

I'd expect the bottom-end is about to grenade itself, too.

*tunes in for the next installment of "When Mechanics Fvck Up Vol. 2"...*

 

[Ðawg]

Holy CRAP!!!!


Tim for a butt whoopin!

Totally go back to the shop where you had this done and DEMAND some retribution... if not, small claims court is an option.


--Scott

 

[awd4g63]

Originally posted by 98RedGs
your valves will probably make love to your pistons

 

[92redman]

W T F? You are probably going to need a new head at minimum. The freezing up of the cams would damage the cam bearings which aren't replaceable. A machine shop could cut down the caps and hone everything to stock specs, but that would be difficult to get the clearance back to where it is supposed to be.

 

[Wicked91rttt]

I purchased the car from someone who had it messed up already. I guess F2ning or something like that in Idaho are the ones who rebuilt the head.


So good chance my bottem end is screwd??

Thanks for the help thus far everyone...I was amazed when i saw it as well.

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by Wicked91rttt
So good chance my bottem end is screwd??

Well, drop the pan and check the big ends and the crank bearings. They won't be just "a little" damaged, they'll be completely done or not hurt. But it'll be a pure miracle if they survived. To snap that cam end like that, I'd say the motor had to be spinning at a fair clip in order to break it instead of just shearing the teeth off the cam belt at the crank sprocket. And with those higher revs, I'd fear the molten cam pillows would travel to the bottom end. With luck, the bearing babbit may have taken the slag, and you might get away with polishing the crank. But I think you'll need a complete teardown.

Hm. In thinking further, if there was no oil getting to the bearings in the head, there'd be none to carry the damage through the oiling system. The bottom _might_ be just fine.

God, I can just hear the sounds of that dry top end dying.

 

[dsm4life]

let me know when you are going to part it out

 

[98RedGs]

Originally posted by Defiant
God, I can just hear the sounds of that dry top end dying.

That honestly sounds like one of the worst sounds I'll ever imagine in my life.

 

[Wicked91rttt]

I pulled the head off tonight and here are a few more pictures....everything LOOKED normal except the valves on the side that burnt up....But I got a free rebuilt head thrown in with the cost of the car.

Tomorrow I will drop the pan and see if there is anything in it. I drained all of the oil out tonight and it looked normal. No metal shavings that I could see, at least not anything that was noticeable. Im praying that its just the head...if so I got a steal on the car

$500 and it has 55k miles and included the new head to fix it

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[Defiant]

I thought some more about this today. I think you may come out just fine. Hearing that the oil was crud-free reinforces that idea for me.

But what in the HELL did they do with that missing piece in the head? I didn't hear if it was found in the cam cover or not.

 

[Wicked91rttt]

The valve cover was taken off before I purchased the car, but I think I remember the guy saying that it was found in the head but with not bolts, so it was just resting in place where it was supose to. Im not for sure though.

Im throwing on my new head today/tomorrow, Hopefully If I can get the timing belt and head gasket.

Is there anything else I should replace while I am at it? I was going to do the water pump/oil pump later once I knew for sure that it would run. I just want the stuff that will let me know if it runs or not before I drop the cash on maintenence parts.

Thanks guys, im excited to get started on this once I get home from work.

 

[BUCK]

I'd hit that thing with some de-greaser while the Head & Manifolds are off - it'll make it MUCH easier to chase leaks later!

It's a strange little thing - "oil distributor" or something like that - No gasket between it & the Head which kinda surprised me - I took it off out of curiosity but didn't disassemble it & then reinstalled it with a little Blue Loctite - Shame on the guy who left it off!

 

[awd4g63]

Originally posted by Defiant
I thought some more about this today. I think you may come out just fine. Hearing that the oil was crud-free reinforces that idea for me.

But what in the HELL did they do with that missing piece in the head? I didn't hear if it was found in the cam cover or not.

Looking at the pictures, he may very well be fine. Doesn't seem like there are any bent valves in the pictures, but unless I've put both contacts in one eye, the pistons looked like they've made a bit of contact with the valves. Not too bad, though.