Turbo Gone Bad!!

[Harriz801]

Well heres the story i have a stock 95 GS-T and ever since i bought it, it has had a loud turbo on it... like it hurts your ears almost to ride in the car... so i started reading up on them and obvoiusly theres something wrong with mine... last weekend i went with my friend to look at another eclipse and i drove it and it had more power and you could hardly even hear the turbo in this car... so thats when i definetally knew somethin was wrong with mine. So i came home and tore it down and discoverd this...On the impeller? if thats what you might call it... two of the tips have been broken off... i kno my turbo is done for... so now that my turbo is done for... what would be a good all around turbo to buy for my car, and what upgrades would i have to do to put that turbo in... please help out...! thanks
Tyler

P.S. these broken fins would cause me to be losing power right?...

 

[CanadianTSi]

You could have that turned into a T-28 if you want. Turbo choice really depends on your goals for the car.

 

[Burnett03]

that turbo is toast.. the noise you are hearing is the wheel hitting the compressor housing.

 

[Harriz801]

You could have that turned into a T-28 if you want. Turbo choice really depends on your goals for the car.

Well really my goals for the car are to have it fast of corse... just like everyone else wants it.... but i dont need like a 10 second car or anything.. i just want to be able to notice quite a difference in between the stock turbo and what i would get... would a 16G do me any good? and what would i have to get to put that on
-Thanks for responding!

 

[trbotaln]

how much money are you willing to invest into a new turbo. For me, I think the evo 3 16g is a great bang for the buck, and you really don't need a 2g install kit to put it on.

 

[Harriz801]

how much money are you willing to invest into a new turbo. For me, I think the evo 3 16g is a great bang for the buck, and you really don't need a 2g install kit to put it on.

Well i was doing some looking around on this site and found a few 16G's for sale... the one i found was a 16G for 350 bucks... i would want to spend something in that range... $300-400. But i will be making a lot of money this summer so i guess if i have to wait for a while i could... because i can still drive my car like this right? WTF

 

[GsX2Nv]

why buy a use turbo for 400 when u can spend 150 more and get a new one and you woultn't have to worrie about problems that the other guy caused. Take it from me if u upgrade go big cause you will want more power once u feel it. Also a bigger turbo will make more hp at lower boost but it just boost at higher rpms. so u have to wait for the bang but when it spools u will love it

 

[Harriz801]

why buy a use turbo for 400 when u can spend 150 more and get a new one and you woultn't have to worrie about problems that the other guy caused. Take it from me if u upgrade go big cause you will want more power once u feel it. Also a bigger turbo will make more hp at lower boost but it just boost at higher rpms. so u have to wait for the bang but when it spools u will love it

So is everyone still thinkin that i should go with a New Big 16G then? or are you thinking something else???

 

[CanadianTSi]

So is everyone still thinkin that i should go with a New Big 16G then? or are you thinking something else???

If you get a 16g get the Evo 3 16g...

 

[Harriz801]

If you get a 16g get the Evo 3 16g...

Alright well thanks for Replying... but when i get this Evo 3 16G turbo... what all else do i have to buy to put this on my car... because i know you cant just buy a turbo, slap it on there and be ready to go. There has to be certain types of things that i have to bolt on to make the turbo work properly... so if someone could please help me out with that it would be nice... i appreciate all the help!!! Ive been needing it

 

[Slother]

the parts you want to put on depend on the boost you want,

fuel pump (for psi 14+), or rewire
boost gauge
mbc

just to name a few off the top of my head

 

[Maglin]

Well the 16G's like to run 20-22 psi. Here is the stuff you will need to be able to do that.

MBC
Boost Gauge (Stock one isn't a real gauge)
Fuel Pump rewire
Fuel Pump (190 or 255)
AFPR if 255 lph fuel pump
injectors (550's will due but 660+ for later upgrades)
SAFC/MAFT/ or Eprom ECU running DSMlink or a modded chip
IC upgrade (Supra SMIC is ok for 16G good FMIC for latter upgrades)
Exhaust (Might as well make it 3" now but 2.5" is fine and helps boost creep on the 16g)
Evo 16G of course (50 trim is almost same price and produces more power)
O2 Housing (ported 2G is good. Tubular 2.5 or 3" is of course better)

That is pretty much a full list for you. Bare bones is:

MBC
Boost gauge
Fuel Pump rewire
AFPR to raise fuel pressure to 45 PSI
SAFC/MAFT/ or Eprom ECU running DSMlink or a modded chip (Something to control fuel)
Supra SMIC

That will get you going. The stock SMIC is so very small. If you haven't seen it out of the car you just don't know how small that baby really is. Hope that gives you some direction. It's kind of hard to get a turbo and then mod to the turbo. Some say just turn the boost down but it still flows large amounts of air at lower boost settings, and the temtation to turn it up is to great. If you start modding your car and then get the turbo you would be much better off.

 

[Road-Rocket]

If you're going to get an EVO316G, make sure you get the MHI one and not the GT one. Read this for more info.

http://www.slowboyracing.com/evo3vsgt.htm

 

[trbotaln]

If you're going to get an EVO316G, make sure you get the MHI one and not the GT one. Read this for more info.

http://www.slowboyracing.com/evo3vsgt.htm

Good call, definately go with the MHI turbo, some people on this site have had bad luck with the evo 3 GT, but yet some say that it is fine. I personally would go with the MHI.

 

[Road-Rocket]

Good call, definately go with the MHI turbo, some people on this site have had bad luck with the evo 3 GT, but yet some say that it is fine. I personally would go with the MHI.

Same here. I'm planning on geting and MHI Evo3 soon. I've only heard from a couple of people who actually have the GT. And so far they haven't experienced any issues. But in the long term who knows if these turbos will last. May be they will, may be they won't. But why take any chances when the MHI's reliability and performance have been proven for such a long time when properly maintained.

 

[Harriz801]

Alright well Sweet!.... thanks for all the information about that stuff... i guess ill get started on buying all the little stuff before i get the turbo....Thanks again for all the help! it was def. needed
-Tyler

 

[Maglin]

Alright well Sweet!.... thanks for all the information about that stuff... i guess ill get started on buying all the little stuff before i get the turbo....Thanks again for all the help! it was def. needed
-Tyler

Hey pick up a T-25 for cheap and spend money on other mods and when your ready to upgrade then get a nice new bigger turbo. You should be able to pick up a T-25 for around 100 if not lower. I was still running a 14B on my ride with about $6K of other mods installed. It wasn't until recently that I finally decided to pull the turbo and install the big dog..

 

[Harriz801]

Well the 16G's like to run 20-22 psi. Here is the stuff you will need to be able to do that.

MBC
Boost Gauge (Stock one isn't a real gauge)
Fuel Pump rewire
Fuel Pump (190 or 255)
AFPR if 255 lph fuel pump
injectors (550's will due but 660+ for later upgrades)
SAFC/MAFT/ or Eprom ECU running DSMlink or a modded chip
IC upgrade (Supra SMIC is ok for 16G good FMIC for latter upgrades)
Exhaust (Might as well make it 3" now but 2.5" is fine and helps boost creep on the 16g)
Evo 16G of course (50 trim is almost same price and produces more power)
O2 Housing (ported 2G is good. Tubular 2.5 or 3" is of course better)

That is pretty much a full list for you. Bare bones is:

MBC
Boost gauge
Fuel Pump rewire
AFPR to raise fuel pressure to 45 PSI
SAFC/MAFT/ or Eprom ECU running DSMlink or a modded chip (Something to control fuel)
Supra SMIC

That will get you going. The stock SMIC is so very small. If you haven't seen it out of the car you just don't know how small that baby really is. Hope that gives you some direction. It's kind of hard to get a turbo and then mod to the turbo. Some say just turn the boost down but it still flows large amounts of air at lower boost settings, and the temtation to turn it up is to great. If you start modding your car and then get the turbo you would be much better off.

Alright well thanks for the help! but what exactally is a AFPR? and what is a SAFC? and then what is a Supra SMIC could that possibly mean Small Mount Innercooler? please let me know!!!! Dont really know what all this means
MBC??????
Boost gauge - I know what this is
Fuel Pump rewire - What does this concist of?
AFPR to raise fuel pressure to 45 PSI ???
SAFC/MAFT/ or Eprom ECU running DSMlink or a modded chip (Something to control fuel)?????
Supra SMIC?????

Help me out! Thanks

 

[Maglin]

Alright well thanks for the help! but what exactally is a AFPR? and what is a SAFC? and then what is a Supra SMIC could that possibly mean Small Mount Innercooler? please let me know!!!! Dont really know what all this means
MBC??????
Boost gauge - I know what this is
Fuel Pump rewire - What does this concist of?
AFPR to raise fuel pressure to 45 PSI ???
SAFC/MAFT/ or Eprom ECU running DSMlink or a modded chip (Something to control fuel)?????
Supra SMIC?????

Help me out! Thanks

AFPR- Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator (you can use any bolt on FPR as well)
S-AFC - Supper Air Fuel Controler made by Apexi (used to control the amount of fuel delivered under boost)
Super SMIC - The Supra TT Side Mount Intercooler (Its a decent econimical IC upgrade to the stock DSM SMIC and will support the 16G nicely)
MBC - Manual Boost Controller (Name says it all. The Manual ones are cheaper than the Electronic Boost Controller)
The Fuel pump rewire you can find on the V-Faq for the components needed and how to do it.
MAFT - Mass Air Flow Traslator (can use in place of a SAFC and it replaces the Stock MAS with a GM 3" or 3.5" MAF. Costs about the same as a SAFC and you can run the MAF in blow through and get the blow off sounds most all ricers crave.

The stock SMIC is very small and doesn't support anything really bigger than the stock turbo and will heat soak. The fuel pump rewire is because the stock wiring going to the fuel pump is small and has a lot of voltage drop to almost 10v instead of 14v like it should be getting. With the AFPR you can increase fuel pressure and have your injectors act as slightly larger injectors and thus be able to run more that 15 psi of boost on the stock systems and if you learn how to turn it can run ok until you can get bigger injectors.

I suggest that you read the vfaq for most of the items and also the 1000 already answered questions that is on the first page of the vfaq. Their is a lot of info their.

 

[Harriz801]

Alright well thanks for all of your help!!!! it has been very nice to have someone walk me through step by step and tell me what to do.... your a big help! thanks man... ill let you guys know how it comes when its done

 

[olmytsi]

Best bang for the buck is a 14b not a 16g

 

[fulanititoo8198]

Hey pick up a T-25 for cheap and spend money on other mods and when your ready to upgrade then get a nice new bigger turbo. You should be able to pick up a T-25 for around 100 if not lower. I was still running a 14B on my ride with about $6K of other mods installed. It wasn't until recently that I finally decided to pull the turbo and install the big dog..

I think the same, this way you'll have time to do everything else and maybe save you from doing a half ass'd job because your in a rush to do it. Unless you have the money and a little more for things that pop up I wouldn't do it yet. It's tempting but better to do it right and not regret it.

 

[TurboDSMer]

I think you should get an FPBig28. They can take your stock T-25 and turn it into a T-28. The turbo is really great. spools by 3k and pulls hard all the way to redline. They have run 11.7 on this turbo on full wieght 2g's. If i had to do it over again then i woiuld probably go ahead and go with a t-28.

 

[fwdturbobov1996]

ill sell you my b16g for 310 shipped. Works fine. spools and holds nicely.

 

[olmytsi]

T28s are overpriced. Go 14b or 16g.